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Re: Dr Who (Spoiler Alert 2013)

He had to put Clara's name in the list of the people killed as a trigger to make him(self) act - presumably forcing his hand due to his desire to protect her at all cost.


The "ghost" hologram doctor was a trick (of sorts) and he was able to flood the valley himself (thereby killing The Fisher King and being able to nick his spot in the suspension chamber and get himself safely delivered back - forward - to Clara) and making sure the timeline was maintained.


And the dishy dude who was in love with the deaf lady was safe from the murder-y ghosts because he hadn't read the alien words inside the hearse and therefore would be no use dead as he wouldn't be able to boost the signal by adding his dead voice to the other ghosts.


I think. I had a THIRD glass of wine and then it made sense.
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Re: Dr Who (Spoiler Alert 2013)

For me the remaining question is why was the ghost Dr. not visible there when Clara and the Dr. arrived at the base; after all it was created 150 years before
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For me the remaining question is why was the ghost Dr. not visible there when Clara and the Dr. arrived at the base; after all it was created 150 years before


Hologram, not ghost, and something to do with the vibrations (?!) of the base and its day/night settings.


The TARDIS probably did it...

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For me the remaining question is why was the ghost Dr. not visible there when Clara and the Dr. arrived at the base; after all it was created 150 years before
Follow-up. Why was the ghost of the Doctor's fangirl not visible when they arrived at the base?

OTOH, if it doesn't have plot holes big enough to drive a truck through, it's not Doctor Who.
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Follow-up. Why was the ghost of the Doctor's fangirl not visible when they arrived at the base?

OTOH, if it doesn't have plot holes big enough to drive a truck through, it's not Doctor Who.
Or any other programme/film. If you look back at most of them they all have gaping holes in the storyline. Why do you think they push the pace so much? So you avoid seeing all the missing bits.

Spoiler alert: Clara's going sometime in November. Whether permanently killed off or just deciding she doesn't want to travel anymore I don't know. So he'll be companionless again.
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Re: Dr Who (Spoiler Alert 2013)

Hi,

that is not a spoiler it was announced a while back that she is leaving and going to star in an ITV drama about Queen Victoria.

At the moment the big rumour is about whether there will be a full series in 2016 as the next series of Sherlock is filming next year and so there my be a problem to do both due to the overlap in the production teams.

Might just be a few specials.

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Follow-up. Why was the ghost of the Doctor's fangirl not visible when they arrived at the base?

OTOH, if it doesn't have plot holes big enough to drive a truck through, it's not Doctor Who.


Very true regarding plot holes although it does kind of have its own internal logic...


And the Fangirl wasn't dead yet when they arrived at the base. She became a ghost later though...
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Or any other programme/film. If you look back at most of them they all have gaping holes in the storyline. Why do you think they push the pace so much? So you avoid seeing all the missing bits.

Spoiler alert: Clara's going sometime in November. Whether permanently killed off or just deciding she doesn't want to travel anymore I don't know. So he'll be companionless again.


Not a spoiler - she almost went last Christmas but they filmed a different ending for the special when she decided to stay after all (presumably Clara didn't make it to old-lady status in the original script).


And he won't be companionless for long. He needs someone to bounce off/humanise him/ be the straight wo(man). I thought the fella (with the glasses) from the last two-parter would have been a contender.
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Re: Dr Who (Spoiler Alert 2013)

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Very true regarding plot holes although it does kind of have its own internal logic...


And the Fangirl wasn't dead yet when they arrived at the base. She became a ghost later though...
About " She became a ghost later though."


No she became a ghost 150 years earlier
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About " She became a ghost later though."


No she became a ghost 150 years earlier


OK


In terms of the " Time" timeline - earlier.


In terms of the episode timeline - later.
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Re: Dr Who (Spoiler Alert 2013)

Another pretty incomprehensible episode last night from the Gatiss/Moffat couple. I can only think it was to set up another story later on, either in this series or in the next because the Doctor simply departing in the Tardis without doing anything is just plain wrong! The "found footage" idea simply irritated me. While I'm glad they've done more 2-part stories this time around unfortunately it hasn't helped. The only one that was worth watching was the 3rd (eps 5/6). I feel for Capaldi trying to cope with all this bad writing, it's not giving him a chance to show what he can do as the Doctor.
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Another pretty incomprehensible episode last night from the Gatiss/Moffat couple. I can only think it was to set up another story later on, either in this series or in the next because the Doctor simply departing in the Tardis without doing anything is just plain wrong! The "found footage" idea simply irritated me. While I'm glad they've done more 2-part stories this time around unfortunately it hasn't helped. The only one that was worth watching was the 3rd (eps 5/6). I feel for Capaldi trying to cope with all this bad writing, it's not giving him a chance to show what he can do as the Doctor.


I agree - disappointing. I did like The Girl Who Died/Woman who Lived story though. Was that the 3rd?


There's just something about Capaldi's Doctor that doesn't work for me, as sad as that makes me. He's an utterly stunning actor but... I think the Doctor/Clara dynamic isn't working. I think they're aiming (possibly) for father/daughter, certainly avuncular, but it's missing the mark.


Maybe Tennant and Smith were just too hard an act to follow?
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Re: Dr Who (Spoiler Alert 2013)

Yes, that's the one.

Well, we have had the girl falling for the Doctor sort of scenario ever since the series restarted. There's always been the attraction there even when Rory provided a third wheel and eventually ended up with the girl. But that's not really something they can do with Capaldi and Clara. Add in the fact that he arrived and she's was on the point of leaving then decided to stay, it does make keeping their relationship consistent difficult.

I think it's the stories letting Capaldi down. He's had some flashes of brilliance, but in general the stories haven't let him exploit the possibilities of the character sufficiently yet which makes him seem hit and miss.
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Flashes of brilliance indeed.... do you know, I think it's the "rock god" angle that bothers me. And, as I've said on here before, the hoodie. I also preferred the sonic screwdriver to the sunglasses...


I suppose on some level we're waiting for some kind of Malcolm Tucker moment - but that wouldn't be acceptable, even in the later and later scheduling slots they're putting him in.


I see why they habitually change companions when they regenerate the Doctor. Chemistry is clearly all.
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Funny vid from Peter Jackson on Moffatt chasing him to direct a Dr Who episode.

https://www.facebook.com/PeterJackso...3602968491558/
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Re: Dr Who (Spoiler Alert 2013)

So, verdict on this series? Confusing most of the time, background music too loud so it was drowning out the speech - really helpful Moffat. I learned more from this Guardian article than I picked up from the story - but then again, I can't say any of the newer episodes stick in my memory to pick up such details.

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-ra...e-12-hell-bent
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Hi,

I thought it was a good series, it started really well with a couple of excellent episodes and I also really liked Heaven Sent. There were some good bits in Hell Bent but I am still undecided about the episode. I did not like the Viking story but apart from that I thought it was overall very good.

Peter Capaldi is becoming an excellent doctor and it is great to see an older actor playing the role.

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Re: Dr Who (Spoiler Alert 2013)

I still have a couple of episodes to see, but I am very disappointed with the current story lines. It's like they have run out of ideas. Capaldi is great - best Doc since John Pewtwee, but it's turning into Shakespeare does sci-fi, rather than the series I have watched on and off since he very first one...
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I liked the last 2 episodes. I had no problem with the Viking sub-plot, but Clara bothers me to no end. I wish she had been done with already a while ago - I don't know why, but her character is just... not to my taste (I've seen enough companions that work well without the "in love with the doctor", but Clara is just... I don't know). Not so sure I like the fact she now has her own Tardis, but as long as she's gone, I don't care.

I think Capaldi is a pretty competent doctor, but the sunglasses... I mean, c'mon...
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I thought this whole series was a bit... meh... to be honest and that makes my Inner Geek very sad. Actually, it's an Outer Geek, but never mind...


I did think that the final two episode were outstanding, however. And I would agree that I found Clara a little troubling, she just wasn't a good fit with the new Doctor. But then... suddenly, beautifully, she was. He became more like an enraged, grieving parent I think and that worked. The character is always a little angry, I find, but he was magnificently furious in the last couple of stories when trying desperately to find a solution to the Impossible Girl's impossible situation.


I think Clara and Me are a well-suited odd couple: an intergalactic Thelma and Louise - so far off the edge as to make it impossible for them to return to anything remotely resembling real life.


I was glad to see that the screwdriver made a welcome return. Am looking forward to the Christmas episode!
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