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Latest Billag tactic; new official-looking form mass mailing with deadline dates

Hello,

I read and heard that recently Billag is mass mailing very official looking forms with made up deadline dates to any name they can find.

The form has standard questions plus a bunch of questions they don't need to know and (I've heard) you don't have to answer, such as your birthdate, home phone number, etc.

Apparently, because the form looks official many quickly comply.

I've also heard that the real truth is that you don't have to do anything about this form, there are no consequences if you don't fill it out or do anything by their made-up deadline date.

Is there anything they can do to me if I simply do nothing?
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Old 30.05.2013, 07:01
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Re: Latest Billag tactic; new official-looking form mass mailing with deadline dates

Off course there is they can fine you 5000CHF which is e non payment of TV rights penatly and you can hope that the mods dont report peoples addresses when forced by the authorities
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Re: Latest Billag tactic; new official-looking form mass mailing with deadline dates

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Hello,

I read and heard that recently Billag is mass mailing very official looking forms with made up deadline dates to any name they can find.

The form has standard questions plus a bunch of questions they don't need to know and (I've heard) you don't have to answer, such as your birthdate, home phone number, etc.

Apparently, because the form looks official many quickly comply.

I've also heard that the real truth is that you don't have to do anything about this form, there are no consequences if you don't fill it out or do anything by their made-up deadline date.

Is there anything they can do to me if I simply do nothing?
If they don't - I will.

It's like tax dodgers, the rest of us have to pay for those who don't. Do me a favour, pay up like the rest of us...
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Old 30.05.2013, 09:11
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Re: Latest Billag tactic; new official-looking form mass mailing with deadline dates

I'm not sure where in the OP's post is he suggesting that he is evading paying Billag or does not want to start paying Billag.

I know when I got their first bill, all they had was my name and adress. As far as I am concerned, that is all they need to have. As a private company, they have no need to know your phone number and especially date of birth. It's irrelevant to their collection but could be used to sell to marketers. I doubt they are using the data so they can send you a birthday card.
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Re: Latest Billag tactic; new official-looking form mass mailing with deadline dates

I have a related question, and I hope I could find help here

My question is not about if I have to pay or not

Due to work I have two living places, one of them is like furnished appartment that includes all the accessories and paid by the tanent.

On the other appartment rented by me, where I dont have anything to pay for Billag, I got a letter without any name like a template letters they have, stating that if I have a TV or Radio I have to register them to Billag and this is very important.

My question is, do I need to call them in the morning to tell that I don't have anything of that ? or I just take no action ?

The other issue is I don't really stay here much so I am not sure if they will need to arrange a visit to see that I really don't have a TV or Radio - or how it will go, because it will make no sense if the visit they will make is arranged since one can hide everything.

On the other hand, I am worried if I called them and give my details then they register me! sounds strange (I hope).

So in summary my question is - do I have to talk to them tomorrow on the phone and explain things, or I just ignore the whole situation ?

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts, especially if someone had the same case and got a letter like that.

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Re: Latest Billag tactic; new official-looking form mass mailing with deadline dates

Just to update, in case this will help others.


I called, and a very friendly guy answered the phone, he said these kinds of letters being sent for information, and no action needs to be taken as long as you don't have TV or Radio.

He added as well, it may rarely happen that the Billag guy register you automatically - but normally this doesn't happen as it is you who have to register.

Not sure if this will be the case, but I will update if more events happen.

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Re: Latest Billag tactic; new official-looking form mass mailing with deadline dates

The billag tax is lawful, everyone has to pay it, why would you call this a tactic???

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Re: Latest Billag tactic; new official-looking form mass mailing with deadline dates

This may seem a silly question, but does the definition of TV work in the same way as the UK where if you are watching delayed streaming TV it does not need a license?
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This may seem a silly question, but does the definition of TV work in the same way as the UK where if you are watching delayed streaming TV it does not need a license?
you would need a license
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This may seem a silly question, but does the definition of TV work in the same way as the UK where if you are watching delayed streaming TV it does not need a license?

in the Uk you tell them you are removing the implied right of access and thats the end of it.
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Re: Latest Billag tactic; new official-looking form mass mailing with deadline dates

So in theory every single person who has device that can receive television and radio broadcasts should have a license?

That would include computers/laptops smartphones even a radio in your car. In my studio in Lausanne where I stay during the week I have a TV that I use as a monitor. Its not connected to the TV socket in anyway and I don't use it to watch television. Does this mean I need a license? A guy from Billag did come once, asked if I had televison I said no and he left. At the time I didn't have a TV, was just using a laptop.

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Re: Latest Billag tactic; new official-looking form mass mailing with deadline dates

I also have a question about this.

Some people wrote that if you have a TV, you need to pay. I have a TV which is not connected to the socket and only use it to play video games.
I watch whatever I need to on youtube and such streaming websites on my computer.
In this case, do you guys think I need to pay?

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So in theory every single person who has device that can receive television and radio broadcasts should have a license?

That would include computers/laptops smartphones even a radio in your car. In my studio in Lausanne where I stay during the week I have a TV that I use as a monitor. Its not connected to the TV socket in anyway and I don't use it to watch television. Does this mean I need a license? A guy from Billag did come once, asked if I had televison I said no and he left. At the I didn't have a TV then, was just using a laptop.
Normally they have to come and cover up the outlet for the cable. and they shut it down in the main room where all the electricity is or something like that. We had to pay 70chf just to shut it off or else we had to pay their invoices....
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Re: Latest Billag tactic; new official-looking form mass mailing with deadline dates

So a quick check on the Billag site confirms that we need a license as soon as you have any device that can receive TV or Radio!





Do I have to register the car radio collection agency?

The reception of radio programs and is notifiable charge even if only for a car radio is used. If the budget but already logged on, the car radio of residents also is considered registered.
Is included in the license fee and the radio?

No, the reporting and payment obligation for radio and television separately. If you have radio and television, you must register for both media. (See fee schedule )
Do I have to pay fees if I use the TV only as a monitor for video / DVD and / or computer games?

If the device is technically capable of receiving programs you are reporting and paying. It is not enough to depend on the antenna or not to connect the device to the cable network. Only when there is no functioning infrastructure antenna (satellite, antenna, cable, internet) is present, there is no duty for the TV.
With my cell phone or MP3 player, you can listen to the radio. Do I have to register for the radio reception?

Yes. By law, you must register as soon as a device is present, which is technically able to receive programs. Since the fees are paid per household, however, you can use as many radio receivers as you want after login. The fee is to be paid only once.
With my phone, you can also watch TV. Do I have to sign up for the TV reception?

Yes, both the receiving according to the DVB-T (digital TV) as well as via streaming (EDGE / UMTS / HSDAP), is subject to the deals, for example, "Swisscom TV air" or "Sunrise Mobile TV". The user expresses its intention to watch TV with the phone by buying about a subscription and / or program (a so-called app) installed to watch TV.
I have a computer with Internet access. Do I have to register for the radio or TV reception?

By law, you must register as soon as a device is present, which is technically able to receive programs. This includes, if certain conditions are met, including computers with internet access. (Whether the programs are also used or not, is legally irrelevant.)

Since the cost per household and not per unit to be paid, you are probably already signed up for the program reception. Then you need not do anything further because of your computer. However, if you have any other receivers as the computer, you need to register if all the conditions below are met.
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Re: Latest Billag tactic; new official-looking form mass mailing with deadline dates

i am waiting for the first legal challenge from someone that doesnt have a radio, TV, internet or phone etc...
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This may seem a silly question, but does the definition of TV work in the same way as the UK where if you are watching delayed streaming TV it does not need a license?
No it is not the same. First, there is no Black and White license. Second, not the usage but the possession of a device which is able to receive Radio/TV needs a license Third, there are two kind of licenses; Radio only and TV only, they are independent from each other and neither includes the other. Fourth, The licenses are per household. In a shared flat only one persons has to pay for the license. Fifth, your cable TV fee does not include the license fee. Sixth, if you live at two places but this two places are never occupied at the same time then they are treated as one household. If any persons are present at both places at the same time it may be still possible to be treated as one household if certain criteria are fulfilled. Seventh, it does not matter if you watch/listen exclusively to foreign media.

Definition of Radio according the law and Billag: Any device which has a AM or FM tuner such as a radio, radio alarm clock, car radio, many mobile phones, some MP3 players etc. Any device which is capable to receive AND able to play a radio stream from the internet. Capable to receive means a Internet connection with at least 64 kbps/ISDN. Able to play means an installed player such as, Windows Media Player, VLC, iTunes, etc.

Definition of TV: Any device with a DVB-T tuner. This can be flat screen TV, USB stick, mobile phone etc. Or a sat installation plus devices to display it. Or an active cable network plus devices to display it. Or a computer PLUS broadband connection PLUS subscription (paid or free) with a TV streaming provider.
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No it is not the same. First, there is no Black and White license. Second, not the usage but the possession of a device which is able to receive Radio/TV needs a license Third, there are two kind of licenses; Radio only and TV only, they are mutual exclusive. Fourth, The licenses are per household. In a shared flat only one persons has to pay for the license. Sixth, your cable TV fee does not include the license fee. Seventh, if you live at two places but this two places are never occupied at the same time then they are treated as one household. If any persons are present at both places at the same time it may be still possible to be treated as one household if certain criteria are fulfilled. Eight, it does not matter if watch/listen exclusively to foreign media.

Definition of Radio according the law and Billag: Any device which has a AM or FM tuner such as a radio, radio alarm clock, car radio, many mobile phones, some MP3 players etc. Any device which is capable to receive AND able to play a radio stream from the internet. Capable to receive means a Internet connection with at least 64 kbps/ISDN. Able to play means an installed player such as, Windows Media Player, VLC, iTunes, etc.

Definition of TV: Any device with a DVB-T tuner. This can be flat screen TV, USB stick, mobile phone etc. Or a sat installation plus devices to display it. Or an active cable network plus devices to display it. Or a computer PLUS broadband connection PLUS subscription (paid or free) with a TV streaming provider.
So basically I am screwed...I cannot have the cable plug closed since I have cable internet.
GrRrrhh I am really not happy with the thought of having to pay this damn Billag while not watching any television at all

I am the first to pay for any service I use. Never will I go in a public transport without a ticket for exemple. But this billag is playing with my patience. I am going to sue Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo etc.. for not mentioning on their packaging that using their console will involve a yearly fee.

Anyways thanks for the answers guys!
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Re: Latest Billag tactic; new official-looking form mass mailing with deadline dates

Let's not turn this thread about Billag's latest tactics to get fees paid into yet another "Do I have to pay the Billag fee?" thread.

Please visit Do I have to get a TV licence from Billag?, read every one of the 1,041 posts there, and form your own conclusions.

The advice given earlier in this thread is not all correct. Simply owning a "TV-capable" device does not necessarily automatically leave you liable for payment of the Billag fee.

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I am going to sue Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo etc.. for not mentioning on their packaging that using their console will involve a yearly fee

Whilst in the land of reality. ....
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So in theory every single person who has device that can receive television and radio broadcasts should have a license?

That would include computers/laptops smartphones even a radio in your car. In my studio in Lausanne where I stay during the week I have a TV that I use as a monitor. Its not connected to the TV socket in anyway and I don't use it to watch television. Does this mean I need a license? A guy from Billag did come once, asked if I had televison I said no and he left. At the time I didn't have a TV, was just using a laptop.
And what about if you're a psychic and can pick up radio and tv without any equipment?
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