Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > TV/internet/telephone  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08.02.2008, 02:36
Jonathan_hughes76's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 46
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 15 Times in 8 Posts
Jonathan_hughes76 has made some interesting contributions
www.tvcatchup.com

I thought I would post this about a Web site called

http://www.tvcatchup.com/

Basically it is like an on-line video recorder. With a free account you can "record" TV programs including UK TV ones and then play them back later.

I heard about this on BBC Radio 4 "You and Yours" programme dated 7th Feb 2008.

See URLs: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/youandyours/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/youandyo...8_06_thu.shtml


"Useful but contoversial

TVCatchup.com styles itself as on online video recorder. Members who register on the website are able to watch programmes from all of the UK’s digital and terrestrial channels. But the TV channels are unhappy with this innovation."


If the previous URL no longer works this next link may still have the BBC R4 programme in MP3 format.

http://files.ww.com/files/43745.html


So does tvcatchup.com work in Switzerland? (Currently I'm in the UK).

Please post your findings!

I know that the BBC iPlayer (now available for Mac OS at last) doesn't work if your IP address is outside the UK, however I think that tvcatchup.com may work?

Jon
p.s. I have nothing to do with tvcatchup ! I just like TV in English, like C4 Dispatches and C4 7pm News with John Snow. Can't get C4 in .CH (Film4 you can get).


Last edited by Jonathan_hughes76; 08.02.2008 at 03:21.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08.02.2008, 03:46
colin's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Zürich
Posts: 168
Groaned at 8 Times in 6 Posts
Thanked 76 Times in 41 Posts
colin has made some interesting contributions
Re: www.tvcatchup.com

No it doesn't work with a non UK IP address.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08.02.2008, 03:56
Jonathan_hughes76's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 46
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 15 Times in 8 Posts
Jonathan_hughes76 has made some interesting contributions
Re: www.tvcatchup.com

Thanks Colin

What error message/warning did you get (if any) ?

When you signed up did you use "UK Resident Overseas" or ... one of "England", "Scotland", "Northern Ireland", "Wales", "Channel Islands", "Island [SIC] of Man"

Just wondered if that had anything to do with it?

Also I notice from

http://www.v7n.com/forums/computers-...xy-anyone.html


"Solution #1. Visit HideIP's website and download their trial version of HideIP Platinum. Once installed, keep changing the IPs until you get a UK IP.

Most of the time, this technique should work. HideIP instructions can be found on their site.

Remember to jot down the UK IP address and its port number though because the next time you'll run the HideIP Platinum program (after closing it), it'll automatically change the IP.

OR

Solution #2. Now, if you are geeky, install Tor on your PC/Laptop and configure it to use IPs from the UK range.

I hope this solution should be enough for your simple problem.

- Avinash"
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08.02.2008, 04:16
colin's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Zürich
Posts: 168
Groaned at 8 Times in 6 Posts
Thanked 76 Times in 41 Posts
colin has made some interesting contributions
Re: www.tvcatchup.com

=Access Denied= TVCatchup.com is a free service enabling qualifying registered users to record and watch UK television online.
To access this service, you must be:
a resident of the United Kingdom
in posession of, or covered by, a valid TV Licence
Your IP Address is not registered as originating from within the borders of the United Kingdom.


The option to register is not available. I am advised my wireless router assigns the IP address. There are other anonymisers around like your HideIP, but how many attempts would be required on the off chance of getting a UK one?
Why don't you try it out, and let us know??
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08.02.2008, 04:23
Jonathan_hughes76's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 46
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 15 Times in 8 Posts
Jonathan_hughes76 has made some interesting contributions
Re: www.tvcatchup.com

Thanks Colin.

"The option to register is not available. I am advised my wireless router assigns the IP address."

Your wireless router, most likely, assigns a local network IP address for your laptop via what is known as DHCP. Often it starts with 192.x.x.x

Use
http://www.whatsmyip.org/
to find out your public facing external IP address.


"There are other anonymisers around like your HideIP, but how many attempts would be required on the off chance of getting a UK one?

No idea. Solution #2 TOR looked more interesting...


"Why don't you try it out, and let us know??"

Because I'm currently in the UK. I will try when I return, but I was keen to find out sooner rather than later.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08.02.2008, 04:36
vwild1
 
Posts: n/a
Re: www.tvcatchup.com

Would going through a proxy server located in the UK be a solution...?
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08.02.2008, 05:23
Jonathan_hughes76's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 46
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 15 Times in 8 Posts
Jonathan_hughes76 has made some interesting contributions
Re: www.tvcatchup.com

OK, I just made some tests using TOR

http://www.torproject.org/

running on XP, and using Firefox browser with the TOR plugin.

Read about it - and especially the section "Eavesdropping by exit nodes" - at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_%28...ity_network%29

Though I'm in the UK, I reversed the test in order to try and prove what worked and what didn't.

I used a non UK based proxy and encountered the "Access denied" page, however I noted that the right hand-side had username /id login entry fields. So I was able to login using my previously created userid - which I setup using a UK IP address (a real one as I am in the UK right now).

Summary: It does appear to be possible assuming you have a valid userid which you may have obtained when in the UK or via a UK based proxy during time of sign up or via your husband/wife/son/daughter/dog/cat doing same on your behalf for you if they are in the UK and telling you.

Word of warning: Viewing any tvcatchup playback via TOR (i.e. a proxy) may be slow.... but it looks as though, if you have a valid login for the site, you don't have to do that anyhow (i.e. don't have to use a proxy).

Please note I'm not suggesting anyone does anything illegal !!

If you have a UK TV licence and are a UK resident then catchup.tv may, or may not, be legal for you, I assume it also depends on whether the service they offer is legal anyhow.

p.s. Those of you thinking about all of this, may also wonder... if the BBC iPlayer is smarter. I'm not testing that via Proxy right now.

Last edited by Jonathan_hughes76; 08.02.2008 at 05:53.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08.02.2008, 07:10
AbFab's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Zürich
Posts: 7,733
Groaned at 326 Times in 220 Posts
Thanked 10,669 Times in 3,719 Posts
AbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond repute
Re: www.tvcatchup.com

Same things apply to BBC iPlayer...
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08.02.2008, 14:41
lobd's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Geneva
Posts: 58
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts
lobd has no particular reputation at present
Re: www.tvcatchup.com

Yup, my 5 year old watches cbeebies on the bbc iPlayer thanks to tor.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08.02.2008, 16:00
Jonathan_hughes76's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 46
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 15 Times in 8 Posts
Jonathan_hughes76 has made some interesting contributions
Re: www.tvcatchup.com

AbFab, lobd

The same things don't fully apply to BBC iPlayer.

It looks to me as if tvcatchup only requires TOR for the initial userid signup (if outside the UK), then any subsequent playing/streaming can be done without TOR (?) , however TOR is required during playing/streaming of the BBC iPlayer (there is no signup).

I'm sure that readers of this thread would like to know what the performance is of the BBC iPlayer via TOR routed back to Switzerland. Please can someone tell us. Smooth playing or jumpy with stop/start while often re-caching?

Many thanks

ref: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08.02.2008, 16:04
lobd's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Geneva
Posts: 58
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts
lobd has no particular reputation at present
Re: www.tvcatchup.com

Thanks for that, I'll try tvcatchup this weekend.

Early days re. iPlayer for me, but no picture stalling or break up as yet. Streaming obviously not as good quality as downloading the .avi and playing back on the archos, but it's mainly for my son's programmes so it's fine for him on a laptop in 10/15 min chunks.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08.02.2008, 18:29
Jonathan_hughes76's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 46
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 15 Times in 8 Posts
Jonathan_hughes76 has made some interesting contributions
Re: www.tvcatchup.com

Thanks Lobd

tvcatchup uses FLV format.

Downloading their FLV stream isn't so straightforward because most FLV downloaders, plugins etc.. don't work for the site - even the very good DownloadHelper FireFox addon does NOT work.

ref: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006


However I have just used orbitdownloader and it works for tvcatchup

ref: http://www.orbitdownloader.com/download.htm

Hint: after installing orbitdownloader, when playing a recording in tvcatchup, look for the download symbol (located at the frames top right corner) and use that to kick off the required download.

Play offline FLV files with the likes of http://www.martijndevisser.com/blog/flv-player/
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 11.02.2008, 12:23
lobd's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Geneva
Posts: 58
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts
lobd has no particular reputation at present
Re: www.tvcatchup.com

An update. Tor was only required to register for tvcatchup, after that you just logon from anywhere. So Jonathan is correct that all you need is a username created from a UK ISP.

I recorded Channel 4 racing. The picture is fine, but the audio is way off sync. Not a problem for the racing, but would have rendered a drama unwatchable.

I think they have been caught on the hop by the publicity generated by the Radio 4 programme, but will monitor. Certainly would be useful for me, with regard to Channel 4.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 12.02.2008, 21:18
Jonathan_hughes76's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 46
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 15 Times in 8 Posts
Jonathan_hughes76 has made some interesting contributions
Re: www.tvcatchup.com

Thanks for that lobd.

ref: audio off sync
Agreed.

I have just watched online (using Firefox) my recording of the BBC 2 programme "Paradise or Bust", from last night and the audio was slightly out of sync with the video, by a very few milliseconds. The audio came slightly sooner than it should.

This was also the case when I downloaded and directly played (i.e. no internet connection involved) the same tv recording via the means I have already described in this thread (i.e. orbitdownloader and FLV Player).

I assume the problem is to do with the current flv encoding settings that tvcatchup uses. They need to either fix that or use another, better, encoding format.

The problem is reported on the TVCatchup Forums > Bug Report

Example: someone reported "Gordon Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares was out by around 10 seconds, plus squarks."

Oh well, I expect they will solve it one day, soon ??

Also my recording was cut short and so the whole programme wasn't fully recorded. The last few minutes are missing.
I assume this is because the TV schedule said one thing - which tvcatchup used - and the actual broadcast started later than it should have done. Again on their forum people are suggesting the recordings start sooner, and stop recording later in order to try and handle this.

---
For anyone who is interested if tvcatchup is legal, even for users in the UK (!) you could take a look at the discussion thread here:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...d.php?t=712997

Currently about 569 postings of various view points... !

Last edited by Jonathan_hughes76; 12.02.2008 at 23:23.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 13.02.2008, 15:36
lobd's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Geneva
Posts: 58
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts
lobd has no particular reputation at present
Re: www.tvcatchup.com

Jonathan, the orbitdownloader works a treat, many thanks! The archos even plays the resultant downloaded flv file which is excellent news.

One question, I'm thinking about buying the new iMac, how would all of the above function on it, any ideas?

Cheers
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 14.02.2008, 15:12
Jonathan_hughes76's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 46
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 15 Times in 8 Posts
Jonathan_hughes76 has made some interesting contributions
Re: www.tvcatchup.com

Lobd,

On a new Apple iMac you will have various possibilities:

(1) You will be able to view catchuptv on-line via the Mac OS browser called Safari. Though the Firefox browser also works under Mac OS.

However it seems that the orbitdownloader software is only available for Windows OS.

ref: http://forum.orbitdownloader.com/viewtopic.php?id=13252


When I have some spare time I'll use my older G3 iMac (running Mac OS 10.4, Tiger), and I'll see if I can find a suitable downloader which works for catchuptv and Mac OS. I'll update this thread and let you know if I find anything.


That said this may work (though I've not yet tried it myself):

http://www.digitrain.com/blog/?p=81

"I’ve known for quite some time that if I’m looking at a FLV video on youTube, I can easily save the FLV through Safari’s activity window. Just go to the window menu and choose Activity. In the Activity window, double-click the FLV file listed and it will download as getVideo with no file extension. Rename the file what you’d like, add the .FLV extension and you’re in business. However, the method above only works for youTube and mySpace FLV’s. Yesterday, Tony showed me a cool trick that works for any progressive FLV. If viewing a FLV on any other page, again open the Activity window in Safari and Option + double-click the FLV. Presto, the FLV file will begin to download and can be seen in the Downloads window.
Yikes - the file will have an extra .txt file extension for some reason. Don’t panic - Once the download is complete, simply rename the file and remove the additional .txt file extension. Pretty nifty."


(2) Any new Intel based iMac can also run Windows OS using the Mac software called "Boot Camp".

Ref: http://www.oreillynet.com/mac/blog/2...n_our_i_1.html

So you can have a Mac OS partition and a Windows partition and you can select which one to boot from.


(3) You could run Windows under emulation on Mac OS using OS emulator software such as VMware, Virtual PC, iEmulator etc...

ref: http://www.macwindows.com/emulator.html


As with all Micro$oft OS please note that any Windows OS you have running on Mac must also be licenced.

p.s. I had to learn what archos was. I learnt from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archos
Thanks!
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 14.02.2008, 15:25
JVC
 
Posts: n/a
Re: www.tvcatchup.com

Quote:
View Post
One question, I'm thinking about buying the new iMac, how would all of the above function on it, any ideas?
I haven't tried using tvcatchup, but one video downloader I have had some success with is TubeTV for OS X.

http://www.chimoosoft.com/
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 14.02.2008, 16:58
lobd's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Geneva
Posts: 58
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts
lobd has no particular reputation at present
Re: www.tvcatchup.com

Thanks for your advice and assistance guys.

Jonathan, any questions on the archos I'm happy to oblige, it's been a great buy for me (the 605).

tvcatchup appears to have been shut down today
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 16.02.2008, 12:58
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Gärtli
Posts: 31
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Ruedi has become a little unpopular
Re: www.tvcatchup.com

yes, and they won´t come back.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 17.02.2008, 20:47
Jonathan_hughes76's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 46
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 15 Times in 8 Posts
Jonathan_hughes76 has made some interesting contributions
Re: www.tvcatchup.com

As with many things on the digital highway, technical innovation out paces country boundaries, local laws and the existing market players.

tvcatchup has shown the future of this new content delivery method called the web based Personal Video Recorder (PVR).

The site highlighted a better way to do things. They found a gap in the market.

I fully expect other web based PVR sites and services to fill the void.

It's an technical innovation inevitability!

Also I would expect tvcatchup.com to reappear in due course, though without the video sharing/lending amongst members. It may be hosted outside the UK.


Good posting by David Owen at
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02...wned/comments/


"When are the broadcasters going to realise they are fighting a loosing battle here?

At the moment, each national broadcaster insists on the consumer installing their own PVR/time-shifting software (e.g. iplayer, Sky Anyime, 4oD). What ever happened to open standards?! Why on earth should I have to install a separate software application for each set of channels!?

They are also trying clinging on to this notion of geographc 'syndication', when the market for content is truely global (does anyone not have a region-free DVD player now?). There is a vested interest in retaining the model where a single TV show is sold to each national broadcaster, rather than directly to consumers.

What consumers actually want is a solution that allows them to catch content from anywhere in the world, without being constrained by a particular broadcaster or geography. The actual mechanics of how this business model will make money (e.g. advertising or subscription) will work itself out...."
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
bbc, bbc radio 4, internet tv, recording, uk tv




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT +2. The time now is 01:12.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0