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Re: Is there a "safe" e-mail service provider?

I recently switched for the more official/sensitive stuff to postmail.ch. Run by Swiss Post it was recommended by someone on forum or outside.

For junk and mailing list etc etc I use Apple's very own NSA certified and approved @me.com account
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Re: Is there a "safe" e-mail service provider?

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Treat security questions as passwords, if you have a password manger (Like the Bruce Schneier approved Password Safe) it is simple. Your mothers maidden name can be "X5#dsn2j9&s" at one place and "mVi38sxr389" at another. If you do not use a password manager you have to think up a fake background identy that you use for such silly "security" questions. This way you GF (and future ex-GF) can know as much as she want about you but she still cannot answer the questions.

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I recently switched for the more official/sensitive stuff to postmail.ch. Run by Swiss Post it was recommended by someone on forum or outside.





For junk and mailing list etc etc I use Apple's very own NSA certified and approved @me.com account





the question isn't who runs it, the question is where the servers are located and what product they use. If the server is in the USA, Germany, France etc., it's essentially an open book. If they use MS exchange rather than open source products, the US government will have full access to everything.



It's actually fairly hard to find a service that will impede snooping attempts.
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Sources of the hype? Fear, uncertainty and doubt, and a lack of knowledge of how email works, I guess.

www.sendinc.com is a useful way of exchanging information securely.
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Sources of the hype? Fear, uncertainty and doubt, and a lack of knowledge of how email works, I guess.

www.sendinc.com is a useful way of exchanging information securely.

Now that the facs about lavabit have come out, it's safe to assume that US-intelligence will even get to SSL private keys and that there simply is no service-provider on US-soil that hasn't allowed unfettered access to all of its data.
NSA, GSHQ etc can basically snoop up most of the internet traffic all of the time and store it for a short period. They will have difficulties tracking someone down in that ocean of data (without access to the specific RADIUS-logs at your internet-provider, or the WLAN access point you're using)
But with access to all email-providers data, they can track you once you login to your email-account. They've got your current IP, which they just need to input into XKeyScore and they have your whole browsing-history, chat-logs etc.pp.

"Fascinating", as Mr. Spock would put it - but only from a pure technological point of view.

We always liked to believe that these tools were built for the oppressive dictatorships of this world - but in reality, selling them to these people (most likely with backdoors, which is why the Arab states don't buy them from US or Israel companies...) was always just been a bonus. They were developed and built for use here.
A sad revelation, with consequences far beyond the usual "Oh my, people will maybe post a few juicy comments less" babble.
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Re: Is there a "safe" e-mail service provider?

You're all funny with your complex encryption and all that.

But one should stand back a little from the topic...

Yes you can use encryption, transfer securely whatever, SSL, whatever.

You'll still end with with a massive weak link: the recipient.
What if that person has a trojan? What if that person downloads the email in an insecure location? What if that person simply talks about the secure content or if someone peak on the content...?

In fact if one would have anything relatively secure to exchange, one would not use email. Also, most of the information we have are not secure because they come from a third party who is not 100% guarantee (like bank details, phone details, etc...)
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You're all funny with your complex encryption and all that.

But one should stand back a little from the topic...

Yes you can use encryption, transfer securely whatever, SSL, whatever.

You'll still end with with a massive weak link: the recipient.
What if that person has a trojan? What if that person downloads the email in an insecure location? What if that person simply talks about the secure content or if someone peak on the content...?

In fact if one would have anything relatively secure to exchange, one would not use email. Also, most of the information we have are not secure because they come from a third party who is not 100% guarantee (like bank details, phone details, etc...)

All true - but first, before you start to communicate, there has to be a certain mutual trust into these matters anyway, and second, you don't necessarily know who or what the weakest link is (it may just be you).
Until you know, it's better to err on the side of caution.
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Re: Is there a "safe" e-mail service provider?

What you want is a mix of old and new technology: agree on a code with your correspondent (logographic is best, alphabetic cypher worst... something in between might be the most effective), write your message on paper, scan it, attach it, send.

Easy!
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Re: Is there a "safe" e-mail service provider?

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What you want is a mix of old and new technology: agree on a code with your correspondent (logographic is best, alphabetic cypher worst... something in between might be the most effective), write your message on paper, scan it, attach it, send.

Easy!
I use one of these:



Seems to work quite well.
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I use one of these
I think JBZwotsisface does as well, but his rotors have slipped (interpret that how you will).
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Re: Is there a "safe" e-mail service provider?

How Hotmail lets down its users security-wise compared to Gmail and Yahoo

Yahoo mail now has an https option:
http://thenextweb.com/apps/2013/01/08/yahoo-mail-users-quietly-given-https-security-option-following-pressure-from-privacy-advocates/

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You'll still end with with a massive weak link: the recipient. What if that person has a trojan? What if that person downloads the email in an insecure location? What if that person simply talks about the secure content or if someone peak on the content...?
That's a very good point. Not long ago I e-mailed (via Yahoo) someone with a Microsoft live account, without adding them to my e-mail contacts list, received a Facebook invitation from them, and not long afterwards received a spam messsage purportedly from their Microsoft live e-mail address but sent from a site with a reputation for sending spam e-mails via hacked contacts lists. I assumed that my e-mail address had been spammed after being added to a contacts list in Microsoft live and/or Facebook.
 

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