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Did you ever try the Dragon CAM with a bona-fide Sky UK card?

Supposedly you can use it to get the Sky channels. Teamed up with something like a Dreambox or Topfield it would be great and a serious alternative to a Sky+ box.

I thought about it but went for Sky+ in the end as it was guaranteed to work in the long term.


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Sky+ works much better with the EPG and planner, etc. Trust me, Sky has the bases covered there.

NDS support came in on Predator 3.21 and has been hopping in and out since; certainly you still need a Skybox for the "keep alive" signal to the card....

I do have a FTV card in my Dragon but I spend most time looking at D+/TPS and I actually don't know how C4 and five are labelled on my channel list to test!!
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Well, I chose a 32" LCD as it was big enough for my smallish living room and I just think that LCD is a better technology than Plasma. Less power consumption and heat, but more importantly no burn-in issues.

The issues with the defect aside, it is a great set and I'd recommend a good LCD flatscreen to anybody.


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Hi Gav,

I looked at LCD but the quality of the picture compared to the new Plasma technology is nowhere near. Due to the technology involved it is impossible to get close to black with an LCD instead you get a gray colour and if you are watching sport the refresh on the LCD screens is slower so you get more blur. LCDs are improving though... The newer Plasmas also have VASTLY improved power consumption although heat is a problem. They seem to have mastered many of the problems on the 42" panels where relatively few fans are employed, but the 50" panels I have seen are rather loud and that can disturb. Again Burn in used to be an issue but with PP2 and screen savers it no longer is - or at least no more than with LCD... Plasma also have better viewing angles which is an issue for me in a large room but probably not for you. Life of LCDs is better but after 50000 hours I would probably be in for a new TV irrespective of picture quality as technology will no doubt have moved on XHD or something!

And finally LCDs are almost always guaranteed to be HD ready whereas, and I find this amazing, Plasma are not and yet people are still naively buying...

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And finally LCDs are almost always guaranteed to be HD ready whereas, and I find this amazing, Plasma are not and yet people are still naively buying...

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That's a technology issue - apparently it's much more difficult (and therefore pricey) to make the 'cells' in a plasma screen small enough to support HD resolutions on a regular sized screen. Not a problem with LCD though, which will give the technology a boost.

If you walk into somewhere like Media Markt these days, you'll see a lot of LCD screens. They really are catching on fast. Yes, the black level is an issue but aside from that I find that the picture on a good set to be excellent. Don't forget that many plasmas suffer contrast problems, even if the black level is good. Also there's the screen burn issue.

Plasmas still offer more screen for your money though - LCDs get horrifically expensive at sizes over 32".


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That's a technology issue - apparently it's much more difficult (and therefore pricey) to make the 'cells' in a plasma screen small enough to support HD resolutions on a regular sized screen. Not a problem with LCD though, which will give the technology a boost.

If you walk into somewhere like Media Markt these days, you'll see a lot of LCD screens. They really are catching on fast. Yes, the black level is an issue but aside from that I find that the picture on a good set to be excellent. Don't forget that many plasmas suffer contrast problems, even if the black level is good. Also there's the screen burn issue.

Plasmas still offer more screen for your money though - LCDs get horrifically expensive at sizes over 32".


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Gav,

wrt to the pixel size you are quite right it is much more difficult to make pixels smaller in plasma due to several factors but it is relatively easy to get to XGA which is ample for current tv, beyond that is another story hence the lack of plasma computer monitors.

Media Markt reacts to market demand and I guess that is why you see more LCDs here. In Germany exactly the opposite is the case where the demand is for 42" plus where LCD is weak.
To the best of my knowledge modern Plasma panels leave LCD trailing in their wake in picture quality including contrast and brightness. LCD is still struggling to increase contrast and brightness without introducing white light leaks although they are making good progress.
Funnily enough the biggest problem with picture burn is actually black! Watching movies that are broadcast in a different aspect ratio is the main culprit but these days the panels are no where near as susceptible as the early ones (and still the cheap ones of today)


Today I see the market split LCD for those wanting a small screen and Plasma for those wanting something larger ie 40" plus. I have seen the latest Philips 40" LCD and the Samsung 46" next to equivalent plasmas and must say the plasmas have a clear edge in picture quality. Overall the Philips with Ambilight and the new Samsung R4252 are clear winners...

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Today I see the market split LCD for those wanting a small screen and Plasma for those wanting something larger ie 40" plus. I have seen the latest Philips 40" LCD and the Samsung 46" next to equivalent plasmas and must say the plasmas have a clear edge in picture quality. Overall the Philips with Ambilight and the new Samsung R4252 are clear winners...

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I have a projector for those 'big screen' events :-) Makes a good combo together with a resonable sized telly for day-to-day watching.


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I have a projector for those 'big screen' events :-) Makes a good combo together with a resonable sized telly for day-to-day watching.


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I thought that but we sit and look at 32" and bugger off downstairs to the cinema room.......140 hours per month, that new bulb will be here sooner rather than later!
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Re: Hd Tv

Hi guys,

Amazingly I've managed wait 25 posts into a thread before jumping in....

I'll try to add something new here. I've also been looking with interest as prices on larger plasma screens have plummeted and LCD screens get bigger and bigger. I currently have a 32" CRT which cost me about CHF2400 6 years ago. My reason for not upgrading at the moment probably seems a little odd; I'm lucky enough to have excellent eyesight. This means that not only can I read the bottom of an 8/20 eye chart at double the normal distance, but when I sit looking at a projector screen I start to notice all sorts of annoying details like screen door effect when everyone else says "It's not that bad" or "I can't see it".

I looked at getting a projector a few years ago, but then decided to wait until plasma/LCD became a viable option. Well now it looks like that's going to happen, but now I have a new complaint.

When you look at the demo programs being run on the plasma screens in a store they look fantastic - but there doesn't tend to be a lot of movement. Now pop in a DVD like Star Wars episode 1 and pick a scene like that race through the desert. Or even worse - watch normal TV on it. Suddenly I could see all sorts of compression artifacts all over the picture, and I found it very disturbing. Obviously these artifacts were always there, but watching them on a smaller, not so crisp screen had the effect of bluring and obscuring them. When watching on a high quality, high resolution screen it was a different story entirely. Obviously the answer to this is high bandwidth HDTV, but what about watching all those movies on DVD? Sure there are superbit DVDs, but they are much more expensive, and are still basically low resolution. What we need is to go out and buy our entire movie collections once more on whatever the next format is going to be.. Groan...

So I'm still sitting on the fence. I just don't watch enough TV to justify HDTV (if it ever appeared) and I refuse to pay for Sky because I think it is a total rip off, and it's outrageous to charge those prices and ALSO make people watch ads at the same time!

Here's my personal solution - I simply download the programs I want (e.g. Simpsons, drawn together, etc) and watch them when I want. I can play them on my TV, but if I'm on my own I just end up watching them on the LCD monitor on my PC, which works out quite well quality wise.

I've also wondered about LCD vs plasma, and initially was leaning toward LCD, but without wanting to sound racist, the problem is with the blacks. It seems that LCD TVs are still troubled by the same thing that LCD projectors were - not being able to produce a true black colour. I guess with time these problems will be ironed out though.

I read that the issue with LCD screen sizes is that it is hard to produce a big one because of the error rate. If you try to make a massive sheet of it and there is a flaw in the middle then you have to carve them up into 19" or 17" versions. As the process improves you can manage bigger and bigger ones without having to slice them up at the end. It wasn't too long ago that it was hard to move beyond 19", so I guess we'll see massive screens before too long.

I tend to agree with the comment about consumers blindly buying plasmas that aren't HDTV ready. People who've been to countries where HDTV is in action (US, Japan) would never want to pass up an opportunity like that when it arrives. Once you've watched HDTV it's hard to look at normal TV again!!

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Re: Hd Tv

i have a hd ready lcd tv (sony v series) and hd ready projector (panasonic ae900).

i also have good eyesight, and i have to say that i am very impressed with both.... on the lcd even analogue tv looks much better than i thought it would. digital tv is also a surprise, given what you normally see in the shops with a shared aerial feed.

pic quality is of course very variable on lcds.

the projector i have is simply fantastic.

using an xbox 360, they image on both is super sharp and lovely.

but what im really waiting for is for Cablecom to supply cable HDTV. im not interested in paying loads for sky or sticking a dish on my balcony (which is not allowed by my landlord anyway).

come on cablecom. you are like 5 years behind sky in bringing out a tivo type thing... i wish we were getting cable hd this year from them.

with the projector, even on a white wall, the image is stunning by the way, as long as you can live with a darkened room, since you need that.
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Cablecom do have a recorder....not HD mind you..... http://www.cablecom.ch/en/dtv_recorder ....For 50 francs a month, you have a decent package.

I don't know whether it outputs to the AE900 HDMI slot, mind you - but you should not be disappointed. It's an excellent projector; I have the same one, ceiling-mounted and connected to A/V amp via s-video and PC via VGA.
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Cablecom do have a recorder....not HD mind you..... http://www.cablecom.ch/en/dtv_recorder ....For 50 francs a month, you have a decent package.

I don't know whether it outputs to the AE900 HDMI slot, mind you - but you should not be disappointed. It's an excellent projector; I have the same one, ceiling-mounted and connected to A/V amp via s-video and PC via VGA.
thanks lob rockster.

in fact i already have the cablecom recorder but maybe didnt make that clear. it is actually 35 francs per month for the basic package.

it does not have a hdmi output.

i would feel remiss if i didnt point out that S-video is really an inferior connection .... if your amp supports component you should use that. otherwise, i would bypass the amp and use a dvd player with component or hdmi... eg samsung hd950, and then use a digital out to connect to your amp.
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Re: Hd Tv

ah, the 35 franc package is hardly worth it, ergo the sport/movies (and perhaps porn ) package would be "entry level" IMO.

I am in the midst of re-wiring and planning my setup and s-video is where I am at today. Component from the xbox might be a nice option, mind you

I do have two sat systems inserted into the house cable network which I use a DVD recorder as tuner; so some loss there - but believe you me, I have 314cm diagonal which is very enjoyable....
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Re: Hd Tv

well, i see the point of the extras if you want life size porn on your pj...

however, im happy enough with bbc1 and bbc2. the other channels do not interest me too much, but i would pay through the nose if they could offer some other english channels that i have actually heard of. channel 4, itv, or sky, or american channels that arent hot air.

hd games via xbox 360 component sure does make the most of your pj, i have to tell you. naturally, u need to like video games, though.

of course, perhaps this summer blu ray or hd dvd will arrive here. who knows.

im sure you are happy with your setup.... 314cm is actually on the verge of getting too big with the lumens output that the 900 uses... even with an appropriate screen (i kind of assume, maybe wrongly, that you are using a white wall rather than leinwand since they are over priced here!)

i hope your room is completely dark, otherwise you really risk a washed out image. Try reducing the size of your image and comparing the contrast that you get. plus, dont forget that with your cable setup, i suspect that you are only getting 80% of what the pj can do with non hd sources. the dvd player i mentioned actually attempts to upscale the resolution to HD native... with pleasing results.

just my 2 cents.
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Re: Hd Tv

ah yes, some sources are lossy, DVD is very nice indeed and I built the room around having a PJ. One window with blackout blind is perfect.

The wall has had much love and attention to bring it up to scratch and it is standard matt paint (now). I'm sitting 4½m or more back from the image - too close and it fries your brain....!

My xbox is modchipped and not a 360. I have a wife you know!!
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uh huh, i sometimes come across that issue as well, but an additional purchase for her normally covers the problem nicely

after all, what kind of wife wouldnt accept the argument that the 360 is the only legitimate way to receive HDTV resolution anything currently in this country.... and it would be a shame to spend all that money on your setup and not go the very last mile with the 360.

in case you didnt know, the 360 is super for playing online with people... and on the pj in HD thats a whole lot of fun. in addition, you can download demos of games, and perhaps of interest to you, also there are movie trailers presented in HDTV..... intriguing huh???
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Okay, since I still was not completely clear about this HDTV stuff, I did a search on the net and found this info:

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/hdtv1.htm

Granted, it is targeted to USA audience but the basic stuff about what HDTV is and how it works is there.
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Re: Hd Tv

yeah. more interested in actually getting it, than how it works.

those who care, sony has a demo booth on the zurich hb, giving a comparison between sd and hd feeds.

i guess we are seeing blu ray at least a full year before the forward thinking cablecom or others decide that its something we should get via cable here.
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after advice on and off this thread, I have a 10m component video cable to test with my DVD player and xbox.....report to come back comparing that to s-video soon - once I've pulled the cable through!!!
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better tested with the xbox 360 mate... you know it makes sense
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I just have reggie xbox with modchip I'm afraid....but I do have a composite connector-thingy....don't think that's it's real name tho'
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I just have reggie xbox with modchip I'm afraid....but I do have a composite connector-thingy....don't think that's it's real name tho'
i remember that you have a modded xbox.

so did a friend of mine until i persuaded him to "invest" in a 360.

he tells me he will never play the regular xbox again, modded or not.
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