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So I guess with the plethora of techies out there maybe one of you has some info on this.

I was back in the UK over Christmas and there was plenty to read about the upcoming HDTV "conversion". Apparently Sky will start simultaneous broadcasts of HD and normal TV as of May. To view HDTV you need a new decoder (Price guestimate 400!!!) and of course the right tele! Sky will then be sending the World Cup out in HD and to view on a normal TV you need a new box before finally pulling the plug on 625 line TV at the end of THIS year.

This brings me to two points. Has anyone else heard anything similar and what is happening in this area in CH?

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Re: Hd Tv

SkyHD will be a few channels at first and rumoured to be 10 per month more.

Analogue turn-off is by 2010, they say. Also normal Sky boxes will drive alternate outputs for the forseeable future, I believe (scart, UHF, s-video).

As my Sky box is inserted into my cable TV network, HD might be an issue for me. Seems good enough quality right now - but nothing's ever been connected to my beamer HDMI socket - yet!

German TV will also carry HD World Cup - and there are a couple of HD test transmissions on various birds right now.
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SkyHD will be a few channels at first and rumoured to be 10 per month more.

Analogue turn-off is by 2010, they say. Also normal Sky boxes will drive alternate outputs for the forseeable future, I believe (scart, UHF, s-video).
This is exactly what I thought, however not what they were saying in the UK over Christmas they had a one hour radio program about rip-off sky and how they intend to make a mint over the world cups HD broadcast. The spokesman from SKY basically said HD is the future and they do not have enough bandwidth to dual signal all their channels so they are left with the choice of killing most normal broadcasts or reducing the number of channels and that the normal sky box will not handle HD signals but the new ones available in April will... It seems all VERY confused to me...
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Re: Hd Tv

Hmmm...

This sounds very similar to the US's proposal to go all-digital by Feb. 17, 2008. Also, note that its not like we have any choice. Its a compulsary switch and any analog UHF/VHF signalling with be shutdown, and your brand new bling LCD will be a piece of trash without a HD tuner box or a built-in one.

Basically, from what I understand, freeing up the analog spectrum is quite lucrative to the government. The auctioning of the analog TV frequency bandwidth to private companies is expected to fetch over $7-8 billion apparently. Out of this, they even plan to give $40 to each US trashTV owner so they can buy a new digital set top box or HDTV! The senate already passed a $1.5 billion bill to expend money to people this way.

I guess the rest of $5-6b will be used to reduce debt or make another war.
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This is exactly what I thought, however not what they were saying in the UK over Christmas they had a one hour radio program about rip-off sky and how they intend to make a mint over the world cups HD broadcast. The spokesman from SKY basically said HD is the future and they do not have enough bandwidth to dual signal all their channels so they are left with the choice of killing most normal broadcasts or reducing the number of channels and that the normal sky box will not handle HD signals but the new ones available in April will... It seems all VERY confused to me...

Sky is a bit of a ripoff but at least it provides many expats with a service they wouldn't otherwise have been able to get. My info however is that the HD hardware will not be any more expensive than current devices, in order to encourage takeup.

They should have plenty of bandwidth to offer SD and HD services concurrently. HD doesn't take up as much additional bandwidth as you'd think, due to more efficient mpeg4 compression. There will only be a few HD channels at first, anyway. A version of Sky Sports, Two Movie Channels and a version of Sky1 as well as a PPV Movie channel. Price for the HD service is rumoured to be a tenner a month on top of the existing sub. Not sure if you need to have a full sub or you can just take out a cheaper one and pay a tenner for the movies, sport and Sky1 on HD.


I don't know how fast people will take it up. It's not like everyone with a CD player has rushed to embrace SACD or DVD-A. Quite the opposite in fact, as consumers seem to be preferring to move to technically inferior lossy compression formats like mp3.


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Re: Hd Tv

Hi Gav,

I do appreciate your opening line. It is only this year that you can officially get Sky in Switzerland ie order it for over here. Previously you needed to get it installed at a UK address deinstall it and then ship it over here... And have you seen the cost of having it officially over here?!

I know what you are saying about the services and the additional cost. The point the nice slimey sky spokesman was making is that in order to receive the service you will need a new decoder and that is where the 400 comes in for those who want to have one in April. Note that Sky are intending to broadcast the world cup HD and that is why it is important for them to get everything up and running early. Furthermore there does not appear to be clarity about what HD actually means. We all know the US and ROW situation with respect to analog and for that reason at least initially the HD signal will come in two forms and now I am guessing 780 and 1060 lines. No it is not 780x1060. Until everyone is happy to go to the higher res then there will be bandwidth burn...

The key thing and the real reason for starting this thread is that there are a whole load of suckers out there STILL going out and buying plasma that does not support HD and are totally ignorant that this will have limited and potentially very limited life. It is not as if they are cheap. And the cable and satellite companies seem to be conspiring not to communicate their real intentions.

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Re: Hd Tv

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The official Sky line is only UK and ROI. This has not changed.
Companies like Germansky, skycards.net et al have been offering their "service" for years and years.

SkyHD should be 1080i but of course could be 720p. And their box will be priced akin to the original Sky+ box when it was released - plus extra per month.

Also you will most likely need a HDMI slot into which you connect the box.

HD "standards" are close - the fewer lines, progressive scan that I think the US favours -vs- ROW at 1080 lines interlaced. Quality is about the same for each - like NTSC and PAL right now. You'd think that NTSC with fewer lines would look crap but the refresh rate is higher ergo the eye sees a similar picture.

You can read more in these links: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=hdtv+explained

FWIW this morning in 20 Minuten there was this news item: http://www.20min.ch/news/wirtschaft/story/26921393

A badly-translated version of the page by Google: http://translate.google.com/translat...language_tools
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Re: Hd Tv

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Hi Gav,

I do appreciate your opening line. It is only this year that you can officially get Sky in Switzerland ie order it for over here. Previously you needed to get it installed at a UK address deinstall it and then ship it over here... And have you seen the cost of having it officially over here?!

As Lob Rockster said, you still can't have it officially outside of the British Isles.

However, I suspect most people will be happy with the BBC and ITV channels and they are now FTA so you can watch them using any standard Digital Satellite box. Rumour has it that C4 might go that way too shortly.

Or just get hold of a digibox and 'Freesat' card and you'll get all the basic UK channels plus a few others for a one off payment of 20quid + cost of box (probably about 100 quid for a new one).

Don't pay the ripoff prices being asked by people selling Sky in Europe. Just about anyone who has an interest in watching British TV should have a friendly address in the UK where they could get a Freesat card shipped to.


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