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If you connect powerline devices across phases you are doomed to poor performance.
So... what's the solution if you have different phases?

1) Devolo -the 500 version with sockets. Modem into devolo on the 2nd floor, one devolo unit on the 1st floor and another one in the basement. Super easy to install.
2) 1999
4) average speed ranges from 20 to 100 mbps. Connection to the basement area is never above 60.
5) perfect for apple TV (which has a decent buffer), but not always for other streamers. When it doesn't work I notice that the speed is less than 30.
6) Not entirely happy. For the 1st floor Wifi seems fast enough so I don't think the devolo adds anything. For the basement, I think I would have been better off spending probably Fr.400 on the electrician to pull just one LAN cable through the cablecom pipes that I already have, instead of the Fr.200 I spent on the devolo units. (the electrician could have done the whole house and every room for Fr.2000 apparently)
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Old 04.12.2013, 11:17
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Re: Powerline networking adapters... give me the skinny, how are they really?

1) What brand and model do you have?
Devolo 500+ (5 adaptors)
2) How old is your house?
1958
4) What average speeds do you get?
200 Mbs
5) Is it enough to reliably stream HD media?
Yes - no issues
6) Are you happy with them? Any issues?
Very good solution for a 3 level house, I have a powerline backbone in the house (basement, ground and 1st floor) and connected to each one is a wifi Access point (same SSID), so no matter where you are in the house you get a decent signal. There is quite a bit of trial and error needed to get the optimal speeds since I have an old house with old wiring, and some sockets give crap speeds whereas others are OK.

Devolo are not cheap, but they are excellent quality and very well supported by the manufacturer. In addition they have different models to suit different needs e.g. ones with wireless AP, triple LAN ports, plug pass thru etc..
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Re: Powerline networking adapters... give me the skinny, how are they really?

Thanks for contributing guys, some really useful info here which I'm sure as a whole is giving a very good indication of how various houses of various age and size can perform with these adapters. Please keep it coming!
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Re: Powerline networking adapters... give me the skinny, how are they really?

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I will soon likely be interested in buying some Powerline network adapters to connect my internet connection between rooms, so as per title I am looking for some feedback from people who have experience with the Powerline networking adapters here in Switzerland.

For those wondering what one is, read here: http://www.howstuffworks.com/power-network.htm

Basically, they allow you to use the electricity wires in your house to pass data through them. The speed of which depends on:
  1. The age, quality and length of your electricity wiring
  2. The speed and quality of the adapters you buy

This is what they look like... and you can get models with or without a "passthrough" connection, so that you don't lose an electricity socket.



So, to those who own them, what I am wondering is:

1) What brand and model do you have?
2) How old is your house?
4) What average speeds do you get?
5) Is it enough to reliably stream HD media?
6) 3) Are you happy with them? Any issues?

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Old 04.12.2013, 11:45
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Thanks for contributing guys, some really useful info here which I'm sure as a whole is giving a very good indication of how various houses of various age and size can perform with these adapters. Please keep it coming!
might be interesting, but it isn't really going to help you figure out what performance you'll get from your specific set-up.
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might be interesting, but it isn't really going to help you figure out what performance you'll get from your specific set-up.
Of course not that's self-explanatory, but given enough results it can give you some idea of what to expect.
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Of course not that's self-explanatory, but given enough results it can give you some idea of what to expect.
If you can come to Kloten, I'll lend you a pair of adaptors and you can test out the speeds for yourself using the Devolo Cockpit software. Try different sockets and take speed readings at each point, thats the only way you'll ever know.
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Re: Powerline networking adapters... give me the skinny, how are they really?

I looked as these briefly as I'm planning to activate the fibre connection that the EWZ installed earlier in the year, however the temination box is in exactly the wrong place - it really couldn't be further away from where I need it.

To my mind there are too many variables, therefore nothing is guaranteed - it's a kind of suck and see thing - it might work for you, it might not. Also it's bodge job, a clever bodge job admittedly, but still a bodge job. Basically you're try to run data over a cable infrastructure that was designed to deliver power, not data. With that in mind little or no attention was paid to interference, understandable so as power delivery is not really affected by interference. The idea that some otherwise innocuous device could hobble the entire connection when turned on is not acceptable for me.

I've decided to bite the bullet and run a length of Cat 6 as the walls between the termination point and my office are partition walls, and there's already a pre-existing hole in one of the walls. I've dismissed wireless as I would need a dedicated relay station in the bedroom to maintain speeds, which while it doesn't bother me, the idea bothers the GF.
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I looked as these briefly as I'm planning to activate the fibre connection that the EWZ installed earlier in the year, however the temination box is in exactly the wrong place - it really couldn't be further away from where I need it.

To my mind there are too many variables, therefore nothing is guaranteed - it's a kind of suck and see thing - it might work for you, it might not. Also it's bodge job, a clever bodge job admittedly, but still a bodge job. Basically you're try to run data over a cable infrastructure that was designed to deliver power, not data. With that in mind little or no attention was paid to interference, understandable so as power delivery is not really affected by interference. The idea that some otherwise innocuous device could hobble the entire connection when turned on is not acceptable for me.

I've decided to bite the bullet and run a length of Cat 6 as the walls between the termination point and my office are partition walls, and there's already a pre-existing hole in one of the walls. I've dismissed wireless as I would need a dedicated relay station in the bedroom to maintain speeds, which while it doesn't bother me, the idea bothers the GF.
Yeah. I have to wonder what they were thinking when they designed my apartment. All outlets in the worst possible places.
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Yeah. I have to wonder what they were thinking when they designed my apartment. All outlets in the worst possible places.
Ditto, it's a shambles. Swiss quality.
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Re: Powerline networking adapters... give me the skinny, how are they really?

Basically if you can run Ethernet cable then you should do that. It will be more reliable and faster.
However my flat is rented so I couldn't start running cables through walls and having 40 metres of Ethernet cable looping through my place would not sit well with the misses.

1) What brand and model do you have? Devolo 200 wifi
2) How old is your house? 80's
4) What average speeds do you get? 80-90mb upstairs.(But I am running them from a power bar)
5) Is it enough to reliably stream HD media? Yep
6) 3) Are you happy with them? Any issues? I am happy, they do the job fine and provide me with wireless and a 3 way hub upstairs.
Occasionally I have to unplug the adapter to regain connection and I had problems initially until a firmware update was released.

I have several plug points on the ceiling in my place, apparently the architect thought people hang lamps from the ceiling, also the main bedroom only has 1 powerpoint, which is by the window and a long way away from where the bed goes. The Architect was an idiot.
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I have several plug points on the ceiling in my place, apparently the architect thought people hang lamps from the ceiling, also the main bedroom only has 1 powerpoint, which is by the window and a long way away from where the bed goes. The Architect was an idiot.
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Basically if you can run Ethernet cable then you should do that. It will be more reliable and faster.
However my flat is rented so I couldn't start running cables through walls and having 40 metres of Ethernet cable looping through my place would not sit well with the misses.

1) What brand and model do you have? Devolo 200 wifi
2) How old is your house? 80's
4) What average speeds do you get? 80-90mb upstairs.(But I am running them from a power bar)
5) Is it enough to reliably stream HD media? Yep
6) 3) Are you happy with them? Any issues? I am happy, they do the job fine and provide me with wireless and a 3 way hub upstairs.
Occasionally I have to unplug the adapter to regain connection and I had problems initially until a firmware update was released.

I have several plug points on the ceiling in my place, apparently the architect thought people hang lamps from the ceiling, also the main bedroom only has 1 powerpoint, which is by the window and a long way away from where the bed goes. The Architect was an idiot.
Upgrade the missus to one who understands the importance of a fast network!
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I have several plug points on the ceiling in my place, apparently the architect thought people hang lamps from the ceiling,
no no, that is for the home cinema projector, obviously...
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Re: Powerline networking adapters... give me the skinny, how are they really?

Some more information that might be useful in deciding if a Powerline system might work for you.

We have Cablecom 35 Mbps coming into the house with the connection on the main floor. The electrical box is in the basement. I have an office with a PC on the third floor (so two concrete reinforced floors between the wifi and me - was not a satisfactory option but did not try a repeater).

So two years ago I installed the Devolo 200 with the sender unit on the main floor and the receiver on the third floor. I averaged between 15 - 20 Mbps (testing on www.speetest.net) on my PC. This was livable as I was just surfing and not streaming. We recently did some upgrades to the electrical system (the house is 1994) and the speed dropped to between 6- 10 Mbps on my computer.

Whenever you do upgrades to an electrical system in CH, you need to also upgrade that new thing to the current standards. The untouched areas can remain on the old standard.

At this point, the sending unit and the receiving unit were not on the same phase (three phases coming into the house - red, black and white).

I spent 5 hours with our electrician the other day to try to figure out what was happening. Here are some details and observations about Powerline systems that you need to know so you can decide if they are right for you.

There is a filtering/loss of signal (sometimes HUGH) based on:

Most importantly the type of breakers you have in your panel! The old simple style (2 cm wide) filter the least, but they filter. The new simple style (2 cm wide - bigger switch) filter significantly more) and the new thermal and magnetic style (3.5 cm wide) filter a significant portion of the signal. This is what people are talking about when the saying old/new installations.

You can see the photos of the three breakers below so you can recognize them. In the first photo, the breaker on the left is the old style. The breaker on the right is the new style. In the second photo you have the new style of thermal/magnetic breakers that are standard. I have not shown an old large breaker used for the washing machine etc.

The second factor is the distance from the sender unit to the receiver unit. Typical light weight electrical cable used in a house (also across potentially multiple connections) looses signal over distance. In my case it was a factor. There is also "leakage" from electrical cables that are packed together so you can get interference on the signal.

The third factor is the phases. As I mentioned, my system was across two phases. To check if this was an issue, we tested across all possible combinations. Being on the same phase did help but what we found is that one of the phases performed much better than the other two. This phase was less loaded that the other two so the loading on the phase also has an effect.

After all that testing, we decided that the option of Powerline was no longer valid (with the filtering from the new breakers). I was passing the signal through two of the new style breakers and I had the distance as well to the third floor.

What I am trying to do next is to pass a Cat 5 cable down the tube that the TV co-ax cable is in (you can not put it in with the electrical cables - not legal), to get to the main floor or the basement so I can be on the same circuit (before any breakers) as the sending unit. I will then plug in the receiving unit that I had on the third floor and feed the signal via Cat 5 to the third floor. I am doing this now via a temporary cable running up the stairs and I have the same 35 Mbps as the main floor.

So all that to say, there is not a yes/no on Powerline but it is best to borrow someone's system to test before you spend the CHF 200 on your own. If you are lucky, you are on the same circuit before any breakers and therefore no issues. If you are not lucky, you are in a new electrical system with new thermal/magnetic breakers, not on the same circuit and you are SOL.
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Re: Powerline networking adapters... give me the skinny, how are they really?

I thought I'd add to this as I will soon report back as to how my renovated house looks with new wiring and so on.

My electrician is going to join the -1 phase of the house with the middle phase. He does not want to join the +1 phase of the house as it will overload the circuit. This means I will have bonding on two from three levels and it should then, in theory, hit and stay at 200Mbps - which means I should easily get 100Mbps through the 200+ set that I have.

I think I'll be bottlenecked then until 1Gbps powerline kit comes along, which surely must happen.

I'll report back in a few weeks.
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Re: Powerline networking adapters... give me the skinny, how are they really?

I tried them and gave up. The connection kept breaking.
Then I decided to extend the WiFi using Airport Express and it works quite well.
Signal is stable and speed is good. Can be temperamental at time but all in all, works quite well.
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Re: Powerline networking adapters... give me the skinny, how are they really?

1) What brand and model do you have? - Netgear AV 500
2) How old is your house? - from the 60s
4) What average speeds do you get? 50Mbit, compared to 25 with Wifi
5) Is it enough to reliably stream HD media? never tried, my NAS is just next to it, but should be fine
6) 3) Are you happy with them? Any issues? I'm happy - only annoying thing - it blocks one whole wall socket (but I got the version with the pass-through socket - totally recommended!)
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Re: Powerline networking adapters... give me the skinny, how are they really?

This might be the "answer" for those situations where powerline does not work or does not work well. It is called eero wifi router.

Not yet available in CH but should be here soon. It is currently selling at $ 500 for a three pack (Amazon).

http://www.businessinsider.com/eero-...-review-2016-2

website: https://eero.com/
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Re: Powerline networking adapters... give me the skinny, how are they really?

Another "repeater" option from Netgear. Here is the sales page from MediaMarkt in FR. To get a DE page you will have to copy the name of the product, select DE then do a search.

https://shop.mediamarkt.ch/fr/ordina...source=agnitas

In case the sales page is no longer there. Do a search on NETGEAR EX6150 AC1200 Repeater. MM had it for CHF 79.95.
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