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Phil_MCR 04.12.2013 12:58

My review of Fibre in Zurich (FTTH/Init7/EWZ)
 
As there wasn't much info on FTTH in Zurich, I thought I'd share my experience on this.

I few months ago, a fibre connection was put into my flat as part of the EWZ fibre roll-out.

I cancelled my UPC connection and signed up with Init7.ch to be an internet provider.

The cancellation with UPC took several attempts, but the internet part has now been cancelled and the connection should hopefully be cancelled this month.

In the meantime, an engineer from EWZ came to fit the box (I asked and they wouldn't just send the box through the post and let me install it myself).

Since I was already running a LAN, set-up was a breeze. The only hiccups were:

1. IPv6 didn't work out of the box

Apparently there are known issues with EWZ configuration bodging things up at the layer 2 level. A call to Init7 had them deal with EWZ to fix the issue. Init7 tech support was top notch and identified the issue immediately.

I got an email at the weekend, even though consumer products do not get weekend support. Of course, EWZ do not work at the weekends, so it to a few days to resolve.

IPv4 connectivity wasn't affected and worked fine from day 1.

2. Very short DHCP lease times

IPv4 lease renewals takes place around every 120 seconds! I queried this and Init7 confirmed this was deliberate to avoid long lock-outs from a change in the equipment (they allow only one MAC address, so you'd have to manually release the lease or wait for the lease expiration).

Not an ideal set-up, and so you may want to pay 20chfs a month extra for the static IPv4 option. (You get a /48 IPv6 allocation for free on request).

Speeds

Speeds were as good as advertised. I went for the 60/60 option and speeds were at or above the rated level. Ping times are ~5ms.

Connection has been stable so far.

rainer_d 04.12.2013 13:44

Re: My review of Fibre in Zurich (FTTH/Init7/EWZ)
 
Too bad it will take years before I can have FTTH in my little village :-(

Phil_MCR 04.12.2013 13:49

Re: My review of Fibre in Zurich (FTTH/Init7/EWZ)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rainer_d (Post 2036025)
Too bad it will take years before I can have FTTH in my little village :-(

I guess the rollout will increase in pace. Already available in Zurich City, St. Gallen and Winterthur.

ed209 04.12.2013 21:54

Re: My review of Fibre in Zurich (FTTH/Init7/EWZ)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 2036029)
I guess the rollout will increase in pace. Already available in Zurich City, St. Gallen and Winterthur.

I wouldn't be too optimistic. We have another 2 years to wait and we live 15 mins. walk from EWZ HQ. :(
See EWZ Rollout plan

omtatsat 08.12.2013 19:54

Re: My review of Fibre in Zurich (FTTH/Init7/EWZ)
 
For a layman as I am your post is meaningless
Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 2035990)
As there wasn't much info on FTTH in Zurich, I thought I'd share my experience on this.

I few months ago, a fibre connection was put into my flat as part of the EWZ fibre roll-out.

I cancelled my UPC connection and signed up with Init7.ch to be an internet provider.

The cancellation with UPC took several attempts, but the internet part has now been cancelled and the connection should hopefully be cancelled this month.

In the meantime, an engineer from EWZ came to fit the box (I asked and they wouldn't just send the box through the post and let me install it myself).

Since I was already running a LAN, set-up was a breeze. The only hiccups were:

1. IPv6 didn't work out of the box

Apparently there are known issues with EWZ configuration bodging things up at the layer 2 level. A call to Init7 had them deal with EWZ to fix the issue. Init7 tech support was top notch and identified the issue immediately.

I got an email at the weekend, even though consumer products do not get weekend support. Of course, EWZ do not work at the weekends, so it to a few days to resolve.

IPv4 connectivity wasn't affected and worked fine from day 1.

2. Very short DHCP lease times

IPv4 lease renewals takes place around every 120 seconds! I queried this and Init7 confirmed this was deliberate to avoid long lock-outs from a change in the equipment (they allow only one MAC address, so you'd have to manually release the lease or wait for the lease expiration).

Not an ideal set-up, and so you may want to pay 20chfs a month extra for the static IPv4 option. (You get a /48 IPv6 allocation for free on request).

Speeds

Speeds were as good as advertised. I went for the 60/60 option and speeds were at or above the rated level. Ping times are ~5ms.

Connection has been stable so far.


Phil_MCR 11.12.2013 17:14

Re: My review of Fibre in Zurich (FTTH/Init7/EWZ)
 
UPC also got round to disconnecting the cable connection. It was a 5 minute job where the cable was unscrewed with a pair of pliers and then put back in place with some kind of plug device in between.

Not sure how robust the system is given that it seems to need only a pair of pliers to put in place and remove.

The_Love_Doctor 11.12.2013 17:49

Re: My review of Fibre in Zurich (FTTH/Init7/EWZ)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by omtatsat (Post 2039111)
For a layman as I am your post is meaningless

Phil does a good job of confusing people :msntongue:

FTTH referes to Fibre To The Home, basically fibre internet connection to your home.

More info on: http://www.init7.net/en/private/ftth/

Chuff 11.12.2013 17:53

Re: My review of Fibre in Zurich (FTTH/Init7/EWZ)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 2035990)
As there wasn't much info on FTTH in Zurich, I thought I'd share my experience on this.

I few months ago, a fibre connection was put into my flat as part of the EWZ fibre roll-out.

I cancelled my UPC connection and signed up with Init7.ch to be an internet provider.

The cancellation with UPC took several attempts, but the internet part has now been cancelled and the connection should hopefully be cancelled this month.

In the meantime, an engineer from EWZ came to fit the box (I asked and they wouldn't just send the box through the post and let me install it myself).

Since I was already running a LAN, set-up was a breeze. The only hiccups were:

1. IPv6 didn't work out of the box

Apparently there are known issues with EWZ configuration bodging things up at the layer 2 level. A call to Init7 had them deal with EWZ to fix the issue. Init7 tech support was top notch and identified the issue immediately.

I got an email at the weekend, even though consumer products do not get weekend support. Of course, EWZ do not work at the weekends, so it to a few days to resolve.

IPv4 connectivity wasn't affected and worked fine from day 1.

2. Very short DHCP lease times

IPv4 lease renewals takes place around every 120 seconds! I queried this and Init7 confirmed this was deliberate to avoid long lock-outs from a change in the equipment (they allow only one MAC address, so you'd have to manually release the lease or wait for the lease expiration).

Not an ideal set-up, and so you may want to pay 20chfs a month extra for the static IPv4 option. (You get a /48 IPv6 allocation for free on request).

Speeds

Speeds were as good as advertised. I went for the 60/60 option and speeds were at or above the rated level. Ping times are ~5ms.

Connection has been stable so far.

Mindestvertragsdauer: 24 Monate. http://www.init7.net/en/private/ftth/ :msncrazy:

Phil_MCR 11.12.2013 18:17

Re: My review of Fibre in Zurich (FTTH/Init7/EWZ)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 2041441)
Mindestvertragsdauer: 24 Monate. http://www.init7.net/en/private/ftth/ :msncrazy:

You can get 12 month contract. But if you read T&Cs , terms are not so bad.

Chuff 11.12.2013 18:36

Re: My review of Fibre in Zurich (FTTH/Init7/EWZ)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 2041455)
You can get 12 month contract. But if you read T&Cs , terms are not so bad.

Ahh, ok. But how does it affect your cable TV... you still continue to get that via UPC, right?

Phil_MCR 11.12.2013 19:03

Re: My review of Fibre in Zurich (FTTH/Init7/EWZ)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 2041474)
Ahh, ok. But how does it affect your cable TV... you still continue to get that via UPC, right?

I cancelled UPC. No TV. I had UPC purely for internet.

ed209 26.04.2014 02:53

Re: My review of Fibre in Zurich (FTTH/Init7/EWZ)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 2035990)
I few months ago, a fibre connection was put into my flat as part of the EWZ fibre roll-out.
.....
In the meantime, an engineer from EWZ came to fit the box (I asked and they wouldn't just send the box through the post and let me install it myself).

What changes did they make in your house when they installed the connection? Was it just a case of having a socket installed (Optical Terminations Outlet?) and then the new router was plugged into that?

FriendlyKiwi 26.04.2014 11:13

Re: My review of Fibre in Zurich (FTTH/Init7/EWZ)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ed209 (Post 2140712)
What changes did they make in your house when they installed the connection? Was it just a case of having a socket installed (Optical Terminations Outlet?) and then the new router was plugged into that?

That is correct.

A fiber connection is no different to a CopperWire(PhoneLine) or a cable TV connection:

Fiber: a socket is installed in the wall. Connect router to socker, power and computer

Cable: a socket is installed in the wall. Connect router to socker, power and computer

CopperWire (Phone line): a socket is installed in the wall. Connect router to socker, power and computer

I have all 3 sockets in my apartment, so I can pick and choose providers as I wish.

Chuff 26.04.2014 12:25

Re: My review of Fibre in Zurich (FTTH/Init7/EWZ)
 
Hmm, currently eyeing up the 60/60 and 100/100 version of this... subject to seeing if you can actually get a 12 month contract.

I no longer use Cablecom TV services thanks to my Samsung TV, so getting the best internet connection, especially if it has such epic upload speed, is now a priority.

30chf a month extra for the 100Mbit vs the 60MBit... hmm... guess its only a few beers.

EDIT - Says not available at Sihl City, surprising...

sinsinfins 26.04.2014 13:28

Re: My review of Fibre in Zurich (FTTH/Init7/EWZ)
 
Thanks for this update, I hadn't heard about this before. Is there a website with more info? I would like to hook-up my apartment too.

Chuff 26.04.2014 14:06

Re: My review of Fibre in Zurich (FTTH/Init7/EWZ)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sinsinfins (Post 2140815)
Thanks for this update, I hadn't heard about this before. Is there a website with more info? I would like to hook-up my apartment too.

Read the thread?

sinsinfins 26.04.2014 14:12

Re: My review of Fibre in Zurich (FTTH/Init7/EWZ)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 2140838)
Read the thread?

I did read it and like another user found it a little difficult to follow for a layman. And the site that is linked to is no better. I was only asking for a little extra guidance.

Chuff 26.04.2014 15:02

Re: My review of Fibre in Zurich (FTTH/Init7/EWZ)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sinsinfins (Post 2140842)
I did read it and like another user found it a little difficult to follow for a layman. And the site that is linked to is no better. I was only asking for a little extra guidance.

Erm, that is the website with more info. The website of the provider...

ed209 26.04.2014 15:23

Re: My review of Fibre in Zurich (FTTH/Init7/EWZ)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FriendlyKiwi (Post 2140767)
I have all 3 sockets in my apartment, so I can pick and choose providers as I wish.

It must depend on the current setup in your house. Do you mean you only have 3 sockets overall in your house or 3 sockets in various rooms throughout the house?

For newly built settlements or ones undergoing renovation, Swisscom seem to offer the ultimate solution with their Fiberspot package. They stick a fibre node in the basement, (re)cable the building, put new 'multimedia' sockets in the rooms and introduce an Ethernet network within the apartment.
See http://www.swisscom.ch/content/dam/s...berspot-de.pdf.
I was wondering if anyone has any experience of EWZ doing anything like this or at least something more complex than a single master socket (OTO) in the house?

ed209 26.04.2014 15:28

Re: My review of Fibre in Zurich (FTTH/Init7/EWZ)
 
Use this link to check if your house is connected to the fibre-optic network in Zürich.
http://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/ewz/de/i...t_pruefen.html


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