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108.11ac wireless routers dropping heavily in price at Media Markt

Well, it seems Media Markt have really dropped the prices of some of their Wireless 802.11ac routers.

I just picked up a Netgear 6300v2 (new revision v2 model, with USB 3.0) for 130chf, and the cheapest price on Digitec is 150chf, and that's for the v1 model with no USB 3.0 and no Beamforming technology. Hell, Media Markt online even quotes 150chf http://shop.mediamarkt.ch/de/compute...0/idpwjrqzdsz9

Also there is a TP-LINK Archer C7 router (USB 2.0 only) for 99chf... but imo it's well worth the 30chf extra for the Netgear 6300 as it's incredibly fast and the software is great. Review of the TP-LINK here http://www.techspot.com/products/rou...-router.94110/

I just plugged it in and got a 50% speed increase over my old Belkin N600 (supposedly running at the exact same speeds) and the signal strength is rock solid. Sure, there are some minor speed bumps on the horizon as far as wireless 802.11ac is concerned, but they are very minor and will cost 200chf+.

No idea why Media Markt are selling the Netgear 6300v2 at such a lower price in-store than everyone else. UK price is between 120-150GBP.

If anyone is looking for a new fast router, I really recommend it... but you'll need to go in-store and physically check it's the v2 version (will say v2 and USB3.0 on the box).

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Re: 108.11ac wireless routers dropping heavily in price at Media Markt

One will presumably need the ac hardware on their device to take advantage of the speed?

Edit: Just checked. My phone is ac compatible!
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One will presumably need the ac hardware on their device to take advantage of the speed?

Edit: Just checked. My phone is ac compatible!
The full speed yes, but it will also perform to the practical limit of 802.11n... as I said I got a 50% increase (from 6.5mb/s to 9.5mb/s) with the same laptop at 5ghz with N only card!

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Re: 108.11ac wireless routers dropping heavily in price at Media Markt

so you've decided for this instead of the powerline?
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Re: 108.11ac wireless routers dropping heavily in price at Media Markt

Rather than start a new thread, I thought I'd tag onto this one.

I'm looking for a new wireless router but as well as speed, the other is range (over three floors with thick concrete walls/floors.

Our current router, a Netgear WPN824 (circa. 2005) barely gets downstairs and needs resetting quite often when a device tries to reconnect after being turned off.

So, do you clever people have any idea of whether an ASUS RT-AC66R is going to be a better solution than the Netgear R6300, perhaps because the external arials will give better range or is there anything else I should consider with the spec or with actual products?

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so you've decided for this instead of the powerline?
I have this, and I now run ethernet through the house around the walls.

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Rather than start a new thread, I thought I'd tag onto this one.

I'm looking for a new wireless router but as well as speed, the other is range (over three floors with thick concrete walls/floors.

Our current router, a Netgear WPN824 (circa. 2005) barely gets downstairs and needs resetting quite often when a device tries to reconnect after being turned off.

So, do you clever people have any idea of whether an ASUS RT-AC66R is going to be a better solution than the Netgear R6300, perhaps because the external arials will give better range or is there anything else I should consider with the spec or with actual products?

Thanks!
I can only speak for my modem, but I'm loving it so far, fast and stable with great range!
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Re: 108.11ac wireless routers dropping heavily in price at Media Markt

My speeds are still pretty good on our router (D-Link DIR815) but I am curious about all the new technology out there (Even some beyond the new ac changes)...Probably going to wait a bit yet before jumping in but curious about the experiences of others on some of the new models out there
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Re: 108.11ac wireless routers dropping heavily in price at Media Markt

The Netgear 6300 v2 doesn't appear to be on sale anywhere in Switzerland any more and is not even on the Netgear.ch site.

That's strange.

As well as USB 3.0 it has a dual core Processor and twice as much RAM as the v1.

So, if I go for Netgear, I have to choose between the slightly slower R6250 with USB3.0 or the R6300 v1 with USB 2.0.
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Re: 108.11ac wireless routers dropping heavily in price at Media Markt

Due to various complications I finished up with a sunrise Fritz box that also provides TV. I am disappointed with the wireless LAN element which barely reaches my living room unlike all previous devices that gave a good signal strength.

I have set up my redundant modem/router TP-Link TD-W8968 as a WLAN bridge which has improved the WLAN performance in my living room but not up to the former level; it has line of sight to both the Fritz box and my PC.

The WLAN signal from the Fritz box seems to vary in strength but I do not know why; there is a Fritz box option to automatically reduce signal strength when not needed but I do not have this option checked.
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Re: 108.11ac wireless routers dropping heavily in price at Media Markt

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So, I got a Netgear R6250 from Steg (109CHF inc. postage).

This is a slightly slower version of the R6300 (1600 rather than 1750Mb/s for WLAN) but is basically the same.

Here's what I found:

The ethernet cable that came with the unit was defective. An old cat5 cable worked fine.
And, what is the point in providing a shielded cable when the Router ethernet socket (and the modem, too) are cheap, plastic unshielded versions?

The 5G WLAN works at full speed near the router. 50Mb/S on a Macbook Pro a few feet from the router. (This is on a 50Mb/S CableCom feed.

But, any further away and this stops so I had to resort to the 2.4GHZ WLAN where, on the same floor, I got twice the speed of the old Netgear WPN824 (circa. 2005).

But, on another floor, where the old router allowed me to connect with 10Mb/S, the new one barely connected and when it finally did, it gave me 3.7Mb/S.
In another two rooms where the old router wouldn't connect, the new one wouldn't too.

So, all in all, a bit crap.
I bought this one as it was supposed to have a good wi-fi range but if it's worse than a cheap router from 2005, I cannot recommend this one at all.

I probably can't send it back because it does what it says it should (apart from the duff cable).

I might try and move the router to a different location over the weekend but to be honest, I'd quite like it to manage to work where both the modem and the ethernet distribution box are located.

Hmm

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Re: 108.11ac wireless routers dropping heavily in price at Media Markt

My 2Rp. Don't go for AC, there is no point (ok maybe a bit late) it's not supported by most devices (phones / laptops) and by the time it will be routers will be much cheaper.

Look for router with external antennas.

And remark: on 5Ghz you will ALWAYS get worse coverage then on 2.4 two reasons for that:
1. Usually 5Ghz radios have less power and
2. From physics 5Ghz waves get blocked more by objects.

Reason why they use AC for super speed ( which is 5Ghz ) is the fact that channels on 5Ghz are much wider and there is more of them.

And my personal number 1, look for router that is capable of using alternative firmware especially if it is netgear I'm afraid.

Explanation for above: I have few Netgear APs at work (fancy, business line, expensive) and firmware was really bad, I mean boxes were rebooting / crashing daily pretty much it was so bad we thought about sending them back, then we found some threads on Netgear forum from people having exactly same issues. When we replaced firmware (well I had to port OpenWRT first as device was not supported) suddenly they work really nice for months now.
- I also have netgear at home (Soho type - WNDR3700 / WNDMAC) and it was bad with original firmware, on OpenWRT it works like a charm on 2,4 and 5GHZ (it's not AC just a/b/g/n 2x2).

ps. Maximum transmit power is limited by law, only way of really extending range is better antennas.
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My 2Rp. Don't go for AC, there is no point (ok maybe a bit late) it's not supported by most devices (phones / laptops) and by the time it will be routers will be much cheaper.


And remark: on 5Ghz you will ALWAYS get worse coverage then on 2.4 two reasons for that:
1. Usually 5Ghz radios have less power and
2. From physics 5Ghz waves get blocked more by objects.

Reason why they use AC for super speed ( which is 5Ghz ) is the fact that channels on 5Ghz are much wider and there is more of them.
Yes, I know all that. It was the 2.4GHz signal I was complaining about.

And, all the devices that need wi-fi that we have, have ac capability.

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Look for router with external antennas.

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This was my first thought before purchasing. Perhaps I should have followed it and ignored any advice from forums and reviews.

Annoyingly, my old router is a v2, if it had been a v3 then I could have used it as a repeater.
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Re: 108.11ac wireless routers dropping heavily in price at Media Markt

Hmm that sucks.

Just out of interest did any professional reviews mention range issues with that router? The 6300 was widely regarded as having one of the best ranges in its class.

Maybe try an ASUS router then, as they are also rated very highly and do have external antennaes. The ASUS RT-AC66U is very well known http://en.toppreise.ch/index.php?a=281375

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My 2Rp. Don't go for AC, there is no point (ok maybe a bit late) it's not supported by most devices (phones / laptops) and by the time it will be routers will be much cheaper.
All new upcoming mid/high-end phones support 802.11ac, and almost all new laptops released this year will too... it makes a huge difference in transfer speeds!
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Yes, I know all that. It was the 2.4GHz signal I was complaining about.

And, all the devices that need wi-fi that we have, have ac capability.



This was my first thought before purchasing. Perhaps I should have followed it and ignored any advice from forums and reviews.

Annoyingly, my old router is a v2, if it had been a v3 then I could have used it as a repeater.
Well in this case I'd suggest (if possible) to buy a second one and connect it to your network so you would have 2 routers (if they will have same SSID on different channels as well as same password your devices should route between them automatically) and no problem with optimal coverage
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All new upcoming mid/high-end phones support 802.11ac, and almost all new laptops released this year will too... it makes a huge difference in transfer speeds!
Well I agree, it is much faster (in theory) but range is lower vs 2.4 and also the usual real bottleneck is internet connection.

So I'd say if desired coverage area is fairly low and you are planning to transfer really big amounts of data in local network only then go for AC.
Also, one more thing is that despite AC being 1.7 Gbps (theoretically) routers wired ports are 1 GBps anyway.
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Well I agree, it is much faster (in theory) but range is lower vs 2.4 and also the usual real bottleneck is internet connection.

So I'd say if desired coverage area is fairly low and you are planning to transfer really big amounts of data in local network only then go for AC.
Also, one more thing is that despite AC being 1.7 Gbps (theoretically) routers wired ports are 1 GBps anyway.
The theoretical limit of AC is irrelevant as in practise it tops out way below that. It does however make a big practical difference in transfer speeds, and considering we are in Switzerland where the average cable connection is 50Mbps and commonly moving up to 175Mbps, there is literally nowhere better in Europe to have a wireless 802.11ac router.

As for positioning, the router should always really be positioned close to the laptop where you will be using it most of the time anyway... and in regular apartments where the signal doesn't have to go between floors you will generally see great speeds.
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and considering we are in Switzerland where the average cable connection is 50Mbps and commonly moving up to 175Mbps, there is literally nowhere better in Europe to have a wireless 802.11ac router.
Well according to this (and continuing your way of thinking): http://www.netindex.com/download/1,7/EU/ Romania is better place for AC router
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Well according to this (and continuing your way of thinking): http://www.netindex.com/download/1,7/EU/ Romania is better place for AC router
That's nice, Jaceq. *pats head*
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Maybe try an ASUS router then, as they are also rated very highly and do have external antennaes. The ASUS RT-AC66U is very well known http://en.toppreise.ch/index.php?a=281375

I've just bought a router. I'm not going to buy another one!


My complaint was not that the 5G had less range - I was expecting that. What I wasn't expecting was that the 2.4G performance would be worse than a router from 2005. One would expect it to be the same or better.

Another reason I bought that router was it had a USB 3.0 socket which I was going to connect to a HD for backups, and have the HD locked in a room away from the kids.
I don't really want a HD and router hanging from the ceiling in the centre of my flat.
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I've just bought a router. I'm not going to buy another one!

My complaint was not that the 5G had less range - I was expecting that. What I wasn't expecting was that the 2.4G performance would be worse than a router from 2005. One would expect it to be the same or better.

Another reason I bought that router was it had a USB 3.0 socket which I was going to connect to a HD for backups, and have the HD locked in a room away from the kids.
I don't really want a HD and router hanging from the ceiling in the centre of my flat.
Tom, I am saying to return the router for a refund and then buy a new one, not buy two and keep them both... thought that would be a tad self-explanatory.

If the 2.4ghz is a real issue then why keep the router? My Netgear 6300 improved on 2.4G speed by almost double% over my previous Belkin N600 router. I now get around 10MB/s within 10m of the router, whereas before I got 6MB/s.
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