Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > TV/internet/telephone  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #81  
Old 13.01.2021, 11:14
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Zurich
Posts: 271
Groaned at 4 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 139 Times in 94 Posts
Dr Mick is considered knowledgeableDr Mick is considered knowledgeableDr Mick is considered knowledgeable
Re: What’s App

Quote:
View Post
its a pain its owned by facebook now they want to start gathering the data. i honestly haven't decided what to do - i don't use facebook at all - but it would be difficult to not use whatsapp just because of the sheer number of people who use it.
If the product is free, then you are the product. Or you thought they were running a charity?
Google is probably doing the same with your emails, youtube videos, google searches, google map searches, location (if you use an Android phone), etc.
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank Dr Mick for this useful post:
  #82  
Old 13.01.2021, 11:27
Klostersgirl's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: ZH
Posts: 691
Groaned at 2 Times in 1 Post
Thanked 1,329 Times in 411 Posts
Klostersgirl has a reputation beyond reputeKlostersgirl has a reputation beyond reputeKlostersgirl has a reputation beyond reputeKlostersgirl has a reputation beyond reputeKlostersgirl has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What’s App

Can I ask a stupid question? I use WhatsApp to phone my 88 year old Mum in the UK. I bought her a mobile phone and taught her how to use it, luckily just before the pandemic, and its been a godsend. Neither of us are on Facebook or any other media site. What information would be shared with Facebook from WhatsApp and what is likely to be the effect of that sharing? Basically how would it manifest itself?
Reply With Quote
  #83  
Old 13.01.2021, 11:37
Axa's Avatar
Axa Axa is online now
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Suhr, Aargau
Posts: 3,879
Groaned at 55 Times in 53 Posts
Thanked 5,242 Times in 2,448 Posts
Axa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What’s App

Quote:
View Post
Can I ask a stupid question? I use WhatsApp to phone my 88 year old Mum in the UK. I bought her a mobile phone and taught her how to use it, luckily just before the pandemic, and its been a godsend. Neither of us are on Facebook or any other media site. What information would be shared with Facebook from WhatsApp and what is likely to be the effect of that sharing? Basically how would it manifest itself?
Targeted ads meaning some data from whataspp may be used for the ads in facebook. More details https://www.wired.com/story/whatsapp...-notification/

Quote:
In practice, this means that WhatsApp shares a lot of intel with Facebook, including account information like your phone number, logs of how long and how often you use WhatsApp, information about how you interact with other users, device identifiers, and other device details like IP address, operating system, browser details, battery health information, app version, mobile network, language and time zone. Transaction and payment data, cookies, and location information are also all fair game to share with Facebook depending on the permissions you grant WhatsApp in the first place.
Consequences in the real world if you don't use facebook, I guess close to zero.
Reply With Quote
The following 7 users would like to thank Axa for this useful post:
  #84  
Old 13.01.2021, 11:45
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Thalwil
Posts: 1,251
Groaned at 41 Times in 24 Posts
Thanked 1,117 Times in 576 Posts
TinyK has an excellent reputationTinyK has an excellent reputationTinyK has an excellent reputationTinyK has an excellent reputation
Re: What’s App

I've heard that there is a bot in Telegram that can show you under which name a certain number is recorded in the address books of other users.
Reply With Quote
  #85  
Old 13.01.2021, 12:16
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 13,132
Groaned at 218 Times in 182 Posts
Thanked 15,264 Times in 7,847 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What’s App

Quote:
View Post
Is What's App basically just a bunch of people addicted to texting one another?

People often ask me if I use it, and I don't because I've always imagined it to be rather annoying -- constantly receiving messages and notifications, having to look at people's selfies, etc. It just seems like it would be stressful.
It all depends on how you use it. I hardly looked at people's status-messages. I never used group-chats (they could possibly become annoying re beeps, I guess). It was my way to keep in touch with people abroad, using it via wifi only.

Quote:
View Post
Both WhatsApp and Signal can be used on tablets and desktops. They both require you telephone in range.

Advantage: you use a real keyboard

Disadvantage: you can use phone/video function. Only by phone

Messenger has a massive advantage here as it can be used for video/phone on any device...
Not correct. Signal does video-chats on desktop.

I left whatsapp yesterday. Cancelled my account completely before deinstalling it (hint: Just deinstalling does not do the trick ). Before I did, I alerted my closest friends and to my delight they arrived on Signal within a day. Others followed and when I asked if that was a coincidence they replied nope, they saw my alert as I also informed about it via my profile-picture (that doesn't beep, people saw it only if they had me in the top range of their list or looked for it) - this ofcourse is gone now, all they will notice it that I'm no longer on whatsapp once they remember me. But they can still contact me via standard telephone/sms and if I want them on a messanger urgently I can always invite them to Signal (there is that function just like on whatsapp).
Signal phone and video chats are working fine, I already tried it out.

The reason I did this radically this time is that I'm just tired of this. Although the European laws prohibit some of whatsapp's imposition (what ever they end up being) this time I had to agree. That would be like signing a work-contract that contains parts which we know can not be enforced should they be taken to court: Some people sign, I never did.

Signal is a foundation. I've not heard of foundations being sold to private business giants yet. And yes, things can change with Signal as well but if they do, I'll just move on.
I would use threema (specially as one can get/pay for it via their website = google not involved in the payment) but I do have several friends in countries where even the SFr. 3.00 is too much when you can get a free system. And it's mostly for those I need such a feature as if they'd have to pay for phone calls we could not keep in close touch.

Also, people who are desperately afraid to be forgotten or not up to date (when was who last online etc) can always keep whatsapp while using Signal and others.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank curley for this useful post:
  #86  
Old 13.01.2021, 12:37
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Dübi
Posts: 548
Groaned at 14 Times in 11 Posts
Thanked 419 Times in 242 Posts
Jaceq has earned the respect of manyJaceq has earned the respect of manyJaceq has earned the respect of many
Re: What’s App

Quote:
View Post
Both WhatsApp and Signal can be used on tablets and desktops. They both require you telephone in range.

Advantage: you use a real keyboard

Disadvantage: you can use phone/video function. Only by phone

Messenger has a massive advantage here as it can be used for video/phone on any device...

This isn't true, signal does NOT require phone to be in rage or online for usage (you need to link it at first by scanning QR code but then desktop works independent).


Also signal allows to make audio / video calls on desktop app which whatssapp doesn't. Another cool thing is that singal does NOT scale pictures down (I see that as a bonus given I am sharing pictures with family etc)
Reply With Quote
  #87  
Old 13.01.2021, 12:45
Island Monkey's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wallis
Posts: 6,197
Groaned at 107 Times in 72 Posts
Thanked 6,926 Times in 3,150 Posts
Island Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What’s App

Quote:
View Post
Thanks for that!



Time to make that switch to Signal!
FYI.... quitting WhatsApp is fine if that's all you use, but there's no point in quitting WhatsApp, but continuing to use Instagram and Facebook (and probably other platforms) which take the same or more info from you.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank Island Monkey for this useful post:
  #88  
Old 13.01.2021, 12:59
newtoswitz's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Rapperswil
Posts: 3,754
Groaned at 75 Times in 70 Posts
Thanked 4,537 Times in 2,076 Posts
newtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What’s App

Quote:
View Post
FYI.... quitting WhatsApp is fine if that's all you use, but there's no point in quitting WhatsApp, but continuing to use Instagram and Facebook (and probably other platforms) which take the same or more info from you.
Not necessarily - I use them for different purposes, with different groups of people.

Also, I think carefully about what I post on Facebook and assume it could at some point become public, which isn't feasible on messaging.

I'm not that worried about WhatsApp, particularly with the E2E encryption as default - the metadata and who I contact is private but not something that would cause me great distress if it became public. But having a more secure alternative is good, even if all it does is force WhatsApp to stay secure.
Reply With Quote
  #89  
Old 13.01.2021, 13:00
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 13,132
Groaned at 218 Times in 182 Posts
Thanked 15,264 Times in 7,847 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What’s App

Quote:
View Post
FYI.... quitting WhatsApp is fine if that's all you use, but there's no point in quitting WhatsApp, but continuing to use Instagram and Facebook (and probably other platforms) which take the same or more info from you.
True. (I was never tempted to join facebook or instagram).

I'd still say a grand exodus from whatsapp would make a point Imagine whatsapp would have only half it's users (dream: none ) by midnight of February 7th. It would be the most perfect, peaceful protest ever! Much more effective than any break up of a company by a judge.

It's not gonna happen though. People are to worried to lose "friends". I on the other hand don't care all that much for people to whom I'm just a convenient button in an app when they get bored.

Of course we should also think logically and donate to Signal sooner or later. And remember to cover the part of poorer friends as well.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank curley for this useful post:
  #90  
Old 13.01.2021, 13:04
Island Monkey's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wallis
Posts: 6,197
Groaned at 107 Times in 72 Posts
Thanked 6,926 Times in 3,150 Posts
Island Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What’s App

Quote:
View Post
Not necessarily - I use them for different purposes, with different groups of people.

Also, I think carefully about what I post on Facebook and assume it could at some point become public, which isn't feasible on messaging.

I'm not that worried about WhatsApp, particularly with the E2E encryption as default - the metadata and who I contact is private but not something that would cause me great distress if it became public. But having a more secure alternative is good, even if all it does is force WhatsApp to stay secure.
But this isn't about the security of what you post (WhatsApp is encrypted), it's about the data WhatsApp takes from your phone. Facebook will be doing exactly the same.

Device ID
User ID
Advertising Data
Purchase History
Coarse Location
Phone Number
Email Address
Contacts
Product Interaction
Crash Data
Performance Data
Other Diagnostic Data
Payment Info
Customer Support
Product Interaction
Other User Content

I read today, that of you have the option switched on to back-up your WhatsApp chats - the back-up is not encrypted btw.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Island Monkey for this useful post:
  #91  
Old 13.01.2021, 13:48
Tom1234's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Kanton Luzern
Posts: 16,516
Groaned at 581 Times in 456 Posts
Thanked 24,720 Times in 9,952 Posts
Tom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What’s App

There are a few secure, encrypted VOIP solutions designed for businesses which have a simple UI like the free apps. They do cost.

You get what you pay for and if your are worried about the security of your data and conversations, don't use the free ones that mine your data for business (or other??) purposes.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Tom1234 for this useful post:
  #92  
Old 13.01.2021, 13:54
newtoswitz's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Rapperswil
Posts: 3,754
Groaned at 75 Times in 70 Posts
Thanked 4,537 Times in 2,076 Posts
newtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What’s App

Quote:
View Post
But this isn't about the security of what you post (WhatsApp is encrypted), it's about the data WhatsApp takes from your phone. Facebook will be doing exactly the same.

Device ID
User ID
Advertising Data
Purchase History
Coarse Location
Phone Number
Email Address
Contacts
Product Interaction
Crash Data
Performance Data
Other Diagnostic Data
Payment Info
Customer Support
Product Interaction
Other User Content

I read today, that of you have the option switched on to back-up your WhatsApp chats - the back-up is not encrypted btw.
You're quoting the same list which seems to confuse WhatsApp and Facebook, but can you provide some actual evidence from another source?

How can WhatsApp expose purchase history, unless there's some hidden WhatsApp shop that I can't see? Same with advertising data - I've never seen advertising in WhatsApp, have you?
Reply With Quote
  #93  
Old 13.01.2021, 13:54
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 13,132
Groaned at 218 Times in 182 Posts
Thanked 15,264 Times in 7,847 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What’s App

Quote:
View Post
But this isn't about the security of what you post (WhatsApp is encrypted), it's about the data WhatsApp takes from your phone. Facebook will be doing exactly the same.

Device ID
User ID
Advertising Data
Purchase History
Coarse Location
Phone Number
Email Address
Contacts
Product Interaction
Crash Data
Performance Data
Other Diagnostic Data
Payment Info
Customer Support
Product Interaction
Other User Content

I read today, that of you have the option switched on to back-up your WhatsApp chats - the back-up is not encrypted btw.
This.
The 'we take all kinds of information (which exactly is for them to know and us to find out) and sell it to all kinds of people/companies (you'll find out to whom when you get their adverts ..... or maybe never)'.
To be honest, I think if it weren't for GDPR they would not have bothered to mention the change.

They said they wouldn't (okay, funny, I agree) . However, I'm not blaming facebook, let's face it, their "offer" seems fair: Agree with it or no longer use whatsapp.
To some like me the decision was easy.
Reply With Quote
  #94  
Old 13.01.2021, 14:11
Pancakes's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Zurich-ish
Posts: 5,061
Groaned at 286 Times in 204 Posts
Thanked 10,700 Times in 4,014 Posts
Pancakes has a reputation beyond reputePancakes has a reputation beyond reputePancakes has a reputation beyond reputePancakes has a reputation beyond reputePancakes has a reputation beyond reputePancakes has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What’s App

Quote:
View Post
Yes, how annoying & stressful actually chatting and interacting with people you know........better to stick with messaging anonymous people on internet forums
You had misinterpreted my post. I also didn't know (in person) the majority of the people on Facebook who were messaging me through there. I'm an electronic musician and also make videos for other artists, and the majority of people messaging me were in regard to that. Again, the messaging was just impossible to keep up with and was causing me too much stress. 20+ people messaging me all day long, every day. I was barely able to get any work done.
Reply With Quote
  #95  
Old 13.01.2021, 14:20
Island Monkey's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wallis
Posts: 6,197
Groaned at 107 Times in 72 Posts
Thanked 6,926 Times in 3,150 Posts
Island Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What’s App

Quote:
View Post
You're quoting the same list which seems to confuse WhatsApp and Facebook, but can you provide some actual evidence from another source?
Here

https://gadgets.ndtv.com/apps/news/w...-store-2349216

and here

https://www.indiatoday.in/technology...769-2020-12-18

and here

https://www.whatsapp.com/legal/privacy-policy-eea
Reply With Quote
  #96  
Old 13.01.2021, 14:26
newtoswitz's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Rapperswil
Posts: 3,754
Groaned at 75 Times in 70 Posts
Thanked 4,537 Times in 2,076 Posts
newtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What’s App

Interesting, there seems to be more functionality in the Indian version of WhatsApp, like a store and the ability to pay for stuff.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank newtoswitz for this useful post:
  #97  
Old 13.01.2021, 14:50
Island Monkey's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wallis
Posts: 6,197
Groaned at 107 Times in 72 Posts
Thanked 6,926 Times in 3,150 Posts
Island Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What’s App

Quote:
View Post
Interesting, there seems to be more functionality in the Indian version of WhatsApp, like a store and the ability to pay for stuff.
Don't think it's just India, but you'd have to be in contact with a business via WhatsApp to see it https://faq.whatsapp.com/general/cha...utton/?lang=fb

"About using the shopping button

The shopping button ( on Android or on iPhone) gives you access to a business’ catalog directly from your chat screen, making it easy to explore a business’ products and services while using WhatsApp. You can still access the business' catalog from their business profile.

Note:

This feature is currently only available to businesses that use the WhatsApp Business app.
Businesses must have set up a catalog for this button to appear."
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Island Monkey for this useful post:
  #98  
Old 13.01.2021, 15:15
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Lugano
Posts: 1,176
Groaned at 17 Times in 15 Posts
Thanked 1,419 Times in 646 Posts
LuganoPirate has a reputation beyond reputeLuganoPirate has a reputation beyond reputeLuganoPirate has a reputation beyond reputeLuganoPirate has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What’s App

I've just downloaded Telegram and will delete my WhatsApp account on February 8th.

Telegram has about 400 million users and Signal just 20 million and as most of my friends are on Telegram that's why I went there.
Reply With Quote
  #99  
Old 13.01.2021, 15:20
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 13,132
Groaned at 218 Times in 182 Posts
Thanked 15,264 Times in 7,847 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What’s App

Quote:
View Post
I've just downloaded Telegram and will delete my WhatsApp account on February 8th.

Telegram has about 400 million users and Signal just 20 million and as most of my friends are on Telegram that's why I went there.
Do it on the 7th. And remember not to only delete the app from the handy but to also cancel the account.

I got both Signal and Telegram at the moment. I do tend to emphasize on Signal though (by luring people on to it and contacting those who are on both strictly via Signal. ). At the moment there are more of my contacts on Telegram than Signal, I noticed too.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank curley for this useful post:
  #100  
Old 13.01.2021, 15:22
newtoswitz's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Rapperswil
Posts: 3,754
Groaned at 75 Times in 70 Posts
Thanked 4,537 Times in 2,076 Posts
newtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond reputenewtoswitz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What’s App

Quote:
View Post
Don't think it's just India, but you'd have to be in contact with a business via WhatsApp to see it https://faq.whatsapp.com/general/cha...utton/?lang=fb

"About using the shopping button

The shopping button ( on Android or on iPhone) gives you access to a business’ catalog directly from your chat screen, making it easy to explore a business’ products and services while using WhatsApp. You can still access the business' catalog from their business profile.

Note:

This feature is currently only available to businesses that use the WhatsApp Business app.
Businesses must have set up a catalog for this button to appear."
Makes sense, but not exactly data leakage if you choose to use their store!

I like the look of Signal because it's open source, has end-to-end security always on, and has a pretty clear funding model through voluntary contributions (which of course may or may not be enough).

Telegram almost discourages E2E encryption, and tried to fund themselves with an ICO (!) which got smacked down by the SEC (!!), not filling me with confidence!
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Great new App to replace whatsapp..... Swiss Cheddar TV/internet/telephone 15 22.02.2014 19:55
Mobile App for English Forum Tauras Forum support 6 02.03.2013 01:16


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 16:21.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0