I am flabbergasted at the number of people who seriously thought that when FB acquired whastapp in 2016 they did not start sharing data? Seriously? Not switching here. Got Whatsapp, SMS, LinkedIn messages, FB messenger, Gmail messenger (whatever is called) so people can reach me if they need to.

It's not even about the content you exchange (that is encrypted end-to-end, except when it's "at rest" in a backup it seems).
There is a long list of metadata you can find earlier in the thread.

Fitbit has been taken over by Google so I’ve decided to stop wearing mine. They promise not to use Fitbit’s data for 20 years. And if you believe that, I have a bridge in New York you might be interested in buying.

I knew firsthand since after WhatsApp phone calls between myself and a good friend she’d message me with screenshots of ads on Instagram featuring products or other things we’d talked about.

Yes I will need to switch too. Have stayed away purposely from google fit and was so annoyed to read this. What are you moving to?

I was just given one for Christmas too

Probably the Apple Watch SE. I know Apple collects data but we know they use it only internally. They don't share it with advertisers, at least not yet.

Genuine question from someone who don't follow the news: what is the reason that Apple is different and is more trustworthy than Google (and perhaps Facebook as well)?

Yes. That's why I have a very limited time on Instagram. I don't feel the urge to compulsively check it out every 10 minutes. FB, Instagram, Twitter etc. they all create addiction because they need our data. But it's not like we can't exercise any self-control.

Yes, it's really old news. And not switching for the same reason. I don't have "virtual friends" on WhatsApp, I'm in contact only with people I know IRL too.

No difference! Same marketing diarrhoea, just different smell

They have a different business model. They don’t sell advertising to outside parties. They make their money primarily from selling hardware, and services like iTunes. But they do have a fairly closed environment.

I saw that too (not on whatsapp as I left but in the media). Same difference, February 8th or some time in May.
Just gives them time to rethink how to do this. I don't think Zuckerberg is much different from me: Once I set my mind on something I won't stop until I get it done.


Only that is not what this is all about

Of course it's not only that, but unlike some people here I don't make my life mission to get people to switch to Signal. If everyone else in my circle will be moving, I'll follow suit. But I have to tell you, so far nobody made the move. Most people I know just want to keep in touch, they don't use WhatsApp as they would use FB for instance.

Interestingly, I believe that Facebook haven't yet been able to monetize Whatsapp which probably part of the reason behind this change in terms of service.

It is not that at all.
You can send your nude pictures via whatsapp around the world as much as you like, whatsapp will never see them.

It was a joke. I'm simply amused by this hysteria. FB bought WhatsApp in 2016.

That’s what they say. How do you know they are not lying?

Don't add another layer to the mass paranoia.

Dunno, maybe people are finally realizing what they allowed those apps/websites? I´d think that a lot of people do not think one second about what they share (at least if I look at FB).

Someone should tell that to Apple...they are growing the advertising business...
https://9to5mac.com/2019/11/15/apple...ces%20business.

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Apple ad revenue could grow from $2B to $11B a year by 2025, says JP Morgan - Nov. 15th 2019 4:41