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Whatsapp have postponed the change to their terms of service and privacy update. This comes as a result of people moving to alternatives. Seems to me to be a PR disaster for Facebook!
Postponed, as opposed to canceled.

They're playing for time, and given people's short attention span that'll probably work fine for them.
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Fitbit has been taken over by Google so I’ve decided to stop wearing mine. They promise not to use Fitbit’s data for 20 years. And if you believe that, I have a bridge in New York you might be interested in buying.
EU forbids it altogether for ads. However you seem to have forgotten the qualifier: "for ads". And of course, as you say/imply, it would be extremely difficult to prove that Google didn't respect that restriction.

I wouldn't trust them at all. Google scanned and thereby stole entire libraries full of copyrighted books. They used to scan people's GMail emails to target ads, and they still may for other purposes; and they still give external developers unfettered access, perhaps unless the user refuses access, but again there's no way to know for sure.

Fool me once shame on you.
Fool me twice shame on me.



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Should have refreshed the page before replying.

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Old 18.01.2021, 18:05
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Someone should tell that to Apple...they are growing the advertising business...
https://9to5mac.com/2019/11/15/apple...ces%20business.

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Apple ad revenue could grow from $2B to $11B a year by 2025, says JP Morgan - Nov. 15th 2019 4:41
Apple TV advertising is a little different from mining data unknowingly from their users.
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Old 18.01.2021, 19:55
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Dunno, maybe people are finally realizing what they allowed those apps/websites? I´d think that a lot of people do not think one second about what they share (at least if I look at FB).
True, and to those it truly doesn't matter if all this stuff, which they obviously don't have any understanding about even now in 2021, is collected in the background. After all, if you limit your time they can collect less. In fact if you only sneak in and out very, very quickly, they have no access

However, I see no mass paranoia.
Whatsapp want the permission to make really good use = money with data they 2016 explicitly claimed they would not make use of. GDPR was implemented and they had to come out and declare it (either because they want more or because they had to legalize their activities) and were hoping people would simply click their agreement.
More people than (even I) expected are not willing to explicitly give their blessing to this. The media informs as it is their job. I put the info in the long and quietly running (sleeping actually, nothing paranoic about it) facebook/whatsapp thread where I thought it belonged and bowlie for some reason thought it was necessary to open this new one on the present subject. And although you - greenmount - seem to want to make it "more exciting" than this so far reasonable, informative discussion you will be very disapointed: This thread will not become an other Trump thread.
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Old 18.01.2021, 20:09
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Re: Facebook to buy mobile messaging app WhatsApp for $16 billion

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Does Telegram still allow one participant in a conversation to delete posts from both sides of the conversation at any time?
It seems Signal has that option too. I got the impression, one has to chose before writing them and you can set how long they stay visible. I've not tried that feature but I see it as an option in the app.

Is this for people who like to claim "I never said that" ?
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Old 18.01.2021, 20:12
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Apple TV advertising is a little different from mining data unknowingly from their users.
From random searches:

Safari, the web browser that comes with every iPhone, is set up by default to route web searches through Google. For this privilege, Google reportedly paid Apple $9 billion in 2018, and as much as $12 billion this year. All those searches help funnel out enormous volumes of data on Apple’s users, from which Google extracts huge profits. Apple might not be directly responsible for the questionable use of that data by Google, but it facilitates the activity by making Google its default search engine, enriching itself substantially in the process.

Apple Sold Its Customers’ iTunes Data Without Consent, Lawsuit Says
https://www.thewrap.com/apple-lawsuit-user-data-itunes/

My view - data is too valuable for it not to be monetized, one way or the other.
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Old 18.01.2021, 20:15
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From random searches:

Safari, the web browser that comes with every iPhone, is set up by default to route web searches through Google. For this privilege, Google reportedly paid Apple $9 billion in 2018, and as much as $12 billion this year. All those searches help funnel out enormous volumes of data on Apple’s users, from which Google extracts huge profits. Apple might not be directly responsible for the questionable use of that data by Google, but it facilitates the activity by making Google its default search engine, enriching itself substantially in the process.

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But that is easy to change and it is easy not to use Safari.
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Old 18.01.2021, 20:21
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... put the info in the long and quietly running (sleeping actually, nothing paranoic about it) facebook/whatsapp thread where I thought it belonged and bowlie for some reason thought it was necessary to open this new one on the present subject...
I've now merged the threads. I didn't see your post that bumped the old FB/WhatsApp thread until you mentioned it here.
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Old 18.01.2021, 20:25
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I've now merged the threads. I didn't see your post that bumped the old FB/WhatsApp thread until you mentioned it here.
I'm sorry, don't take it personal, I don't like that you merged them.

edit: I just saw you merged it to be under the original title. That's good but the newish titles now confuse. Yeah, well, what ever ...
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Old 18.01.2021, 20:41
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I'm sorry, don't take it personal, I don't like that you merged them.

edit: I just saw you merged it to be under the original title. That's good but the newish titles now confuse. Yeah, well, what ever ...
I looked at your link and thought yes, since FB is in the thick of all this it makes sense to merge the threads. Also both threads had replies and it was going to start running parallel which didn't make sense. We have enough duplicate threads as it is.

I kept the original title for now (that's the system default with a merge) but if you have a better or less confusing title feel free to suggest it. I couldn't think of anything better, and it rarely makes sense to keep the new title, so I left it at the default.
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Old 18.01.2021, 23:30
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I looked at your link and thought yes, since FB is in the thick of all this it makes sense to merge the threads. Also both threads had replies and it was going to start running parallel which didn't make sense. We have enough duplicate threads as it is.

I kept the original title for now (that's the system default with a merge) but if you have a better or less confusing title feel free to suggest it. I couldn't think of anything better, and it rarely makes sense to keep the new title, so I left it at the default.
I absolutely agree, too bad that in most posts it's the whatsapp title now, and not the original one.
However, a tiny flaw. Leave it as it is now.


Actually what I meant to write was change all titles of each post to the original facebook-title until 7am tomorrow. I know you can do it.
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Old 28.01.2021, 11:26
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Re: Facebook to buy mobile messaging app WhatsApp for $16 billion

As I was the one who woke up this thread (yes, I'm aware that it was more likely people like Elon Musk & Co who caused mass-exodus from whatsapp, although I've not heard about his recommendation until after I left ) I feel I should add something here.

I noticed that loads of people moved on to Telegram, thinking that was the solution.

Now, if you are into security you are in fact better off staying with whatsapp!

If you're into security and privacy it is definitely Signal at the moment.

Of course there are other factors that will influence your decision. Like a telegram group can have 200000 members I mean let's face it, there is not much privacy left here anyway, the governments might as well read along.
Users of Twitter & Co. will know better than I but I do wonder whether people are not better off tweeting there than using Telegram.


I did my research in German but this article describes the differences in English.

I just I thought I'd use the German line: "Augen auf bei der messenger Wahl" (keep your eyes open when choosing a messenger). It's the type used here before saying "selber Schuld"
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Re: Facebook to buy mobile messaging app WhatsApp for $16 billion

You did not mention threema.

Also it is worth mentioning that WhatsApp and Signal use the Wikipedia reference-linkSignal_Protocol created by Wikipedia reference-linkMoxie_Marlinspike. The protocol has been audited and, fundamentally, is secure end-to-end as long as you trust the implementation.

Of course the implementation might have a silent undisplayed 3rd party in the conversation - but are our chats so effing important?

One question for those leaving WhatsApp over this - have you deleted your Facebook account?
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Old 28.01.2021, 12:58
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You did not mention threema.

Also it is worth mentioning that WhatsApp and Signal use the Wikipedia reference-linkSignal_Protocol created by Wikipedia reference-linkMoxie_Marlinspike. The protocol has been audited and, fundamentally, is secure end-to-end as long as you trust the implementation.

Of course the implementation might have a silent undisplayed 3rd party in the conversation - but are our chats so effing important?

One question for those leaving WhatsApp over this - have you deleted your Facebook account?
No, I haven't as the main demand of most people will probably for the messenger being free.

Whatsapp using the Signal Protocol I thought was clear to anybody by now and that's why I mentioned that re this, people are better off with whatsapp than with telegram.

No, I don't think my chats are so effing important but I would kind of like the same privacy as I do on a standard telephone line. I know the authorities can tap my telephone line but they need a good reason for a judge to allow it. Which seems an okay compromise to me.

Last but not least, I do think we should either pay threema or donate to Signal. It sure is a bit (very) dreamy for people to demand such a service a messenger provides by people who would get absolutely nothing not only in return but to bloody run the system.
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Re: Facebook to buy mobile messaging app WhatsApp for $16 billion

I never ever joined FB or Twitter luckily! For me, it was the equivalent of pulling my undies down in public

There was a time I was tempted to join because articles started appearing stating that if you were not on FB then you might be a psychopath I mean I know I am a psychopath, but I thought if I joined FB and posted fluffy pet (goats in my case) and kid photos I might appear normal
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Old 28.01.2021, 13:33
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I mean I know I am a psychopath, but I thought if I joined FB and posted fluffy pet (goats in my case) and kid photos I might appear normal
I've been meaning to post this for you for ages. Now seems as good a time as any. Volume up, enjoy!



One of my favourites is at 0:24. And the one right at the end is great, too.
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Old 28.01.2021, 13:48
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Re: Facebook to buy mobile messaging app WhatsApp for $16 billion

Interesting analysis from the New York Times by Brian Chen. I’m hoping this link will get you behind the paywall.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/27/t...cy-labels.html
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Old 28.01.2021, 16:39
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Re: Facebook to buy mobile messaging app WhatsApp for $16 billion

So, I joined threema and because I keep google and money strictly apart, I got it from the threema website.

At the moment exactly 15 contacts of mine are on there
As you only pay for it once and I most likely got a few decades left, things can still change.

There are people in my contact list though who registered on threema completely anonymous and made sure that not even their friends/contacts find them.

What can I say? I was kind of relieved to learn that there are actually a few people who are more paranoid than me.
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Time to say good bye ..to Whatsup

Just deleted account... and app
feeling good - no rush ,no ptsd ... maybe needs time to sink-in ?

happy weekend ... long live Signals
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a little late but..........
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Maybe merge with https://www.englishforum.ch/tv-inter...billion-4.html ?
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