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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

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Loxone will tick all your boxes (Lights, security (fire/intrusion), front door lock, roller shutters and heating) and we have a few more cool features with this system.
It does indeed look cool, but I would like something I can install myself.
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This.

Right now Bosch ticks all my boxes, so I will probably go down that route to start with.
Well, I've had the opportunity to trial a simple Bosch controller II and smoke dectector II, and to be honest, very disappointing first impression. App is very average, set up is clunky and proprietary repeaters are needed for range extension. :-(

Additionally, there is no POE option! Very disappointed to see a serious company like Bosch be so amateur at these products.

Next test will be Shelly..awesome app and they appear to listen to their customers.
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Old 08.05.2023, 10:36
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

I did manage to install five (5) Shelly 2PM relays behind the five roller switches in our kitchen/dining/living space.

The relays are good and cheap: about 30chf each. The expensive part was replacing the five old single switches with newer two double and a single switch arrangement. Feller brand switches cost a fortune. But this gave me the space for the relays.

The second problem was that the original elecs only ran the live to the switches naturally. I had to run a neutral bus to power the relays.

Suprisingly, no interference and works perfectly :-)
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

I avoided a lot of home automation since I didn't want connected services offered by Google, Amazon etc. intruding on my privacy.

However, now there are great options for offline automation and home assistants as several AI advances have been made available. You can now get very good speech recognition, TTS and artificial intelligence running on your own computer (even if you need a beefy PC for this).

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I avoided a lot of home automation since I didn't want connected services offered by Google, Amazon etc. intruding on my privacy.

However, now there are great options for offline automation and home assistance as several AI advances have been made available. You can now get very good speech recognition, TTS and artificial intelligence running on your own computer (even if you need a beefy PC for this).
This is why I am choosing components that are compatible with Home Assistant - unfortunately this open source hub still requires a high level of IT knowledge. pre-installed hubs are sold out and the best way forward is probably a Synology NAS with a second LAN port.

Clearly the main reason why no such standard exists to this point has little to do with functionality, rather data...every component manufacturer wants a piece of the big data pie.
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Old 08.05.2023, 16:03
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I avoided a lot of home automation since I didn't want connected services offered by Google, Amazon etc. intruding on my privacy.

However, now there are great options for offline automation and home assistants as several AI advances have been made available. You can now get very good speech recognition, TTS and artificial intelligence running on your own computer (even if you need a beefy PC for this).
I'm using openHAB. It will run without internet but obviously I need that if I want to control or monitor remotely.
But, Alexa and other cloud-based connected services just receive the commands but don't actually do any of the control so when I ask an Echo Dot to do something, it really is just passing on that request rather than acting on it.
I use a lot of TTS too.
And I use just a Raspberry Pi for all this.
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Old 02.11.2023, 09:44
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

Having bought a house in April, I am currently falling down the smart home rabbit hole.

My conditions are as follows:

*I am looking for intuitive functionality. Sensor or trigger based. I don't want to tell my house what to do, it needs to know what to do.
* A common hub that doesn't need the internet to function, but does offer remote access.
*Manual controls need to remain, for if I don't have my phone or if visitors are here.
*IoT needs to be on a separate VLAN for security reasons

This pretty much left me with Home Assistant (open source), which works with Matter and Zigbee and is being developed at an impressive rate.
I have ordered a Home Assistant Yellow box and it should arrive by the weekend. It should work Shelly components I already have in the house, plus anything I get additionally will also be bought on the basis of HA compatibility. I'll probably put my Yellow on the main VLAN, and give it firewall access to the IoT VLAN.

I'll update with any progress and experience here.
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

I use HomeSeer - I would say it works pretty well, range of plugins is good so most things are supported, my wife doesn't complain too much. I mostly use Z-Wave microcontrols inside the wall switches, so apart from the actual automation most things will still work fine, other things like Christmas lights get controlled through plug-in sockets. Underfloor heating thermostats work fine as well to control rooms individually. I also have some Ikea lights which integrate OK, and some self-made sensors based on old RPis which send data in via MQTT.

For the remote access I use a simple dynamic DNS address and my own nginx proxy, as the security and HTTPS implementations in all the home automation software I looked at seemed to be an area of weakness plus I didn't want to use their hub/remote service.

Certainly nginx is going to be more secure, you could also choose lighttpd for similar functionality.

You can use basic authentication or go the whole way with something like Keycloak + Vouch particularly if you have other stuff as well (e.g. I have Plex, CalibreWeb and other media stuff).
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Old 02.11.2023, 17:29
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

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*I am looking for intuitive functionality. Sensor or trigger based. I don't want to tell my house what to do, it needs to know what to do.
That's real home automation and not, for example, pressing a button on your smart phone to turn on a lamp (which would probably be faster if you just got up and turned on the lamp).

But, as you wrote, manual over-ride is important too.

Manual functionality is good too - and I prefer using an Amazon Echo to do that rather than a smart phone but both will work.

Simple automation which I have include:

We have a couple of radiators in rooms in the basement. When windows are opened down there for more than five minutes, the radiators turn off.

Bathroom shutters come down automatically in the evening.

A sun blind go up when the sun moves round away from that roof window.

What did you have in mind for your place?
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What did you have in mind for your place?
Similar to what you have.

Shutters: Shelly PM2 relays installed behind the switches. Currently on timers using Shelly app, but would consider some conditional triggers. (sunlight, presence, etc)

Lighting: stairway lighting with sensors, but dimmed to 50%% in evenings, 25% during sleeping hours.

Coffee machine: Shelly smart plug, currently on a timer. ( I have a dual-boiler machine that takes at least 12 minutes from cold, nice to have it warm already when I get up.)

Heating: Smart thermostats linked to room temp sensors and open windows.

Presence sensors: turning off lighting if nobody is in the room for 5min or more.

Sunshade on the balcony: automatic raising if rain or high wind detected.

Smoke/water/intrusion detectors: alerts forwarding depending on presence.
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

I find the following all work nicely:

* outside lights:
- motion sensor triggered (with battery powered sensors, so no wiring to add)
- door opening triggered
- ability to force the lights on/off for X hours

* interior lights (Ikea)

* shutters opening and closing based on:
- time-of-day and darkness
- tilting or opening based on sunshine and angle
- ones outside doors opening if the door is opened

(and the same for roof blinds and awnings)

* roof windows venting each morning for ten minutes

* room thermostats changing based on:
- time (cooler at night)
- outside temperature (adding/subtracting a bit if it's very cold/warm)
- presence (for vacations)

* pond pump control (mainly timer, also checking for temperature extremes)

* pop-up pool filter pump control in summer

* irrigation based on sunshine, temperature and rainfall

* Christmas lights

* gathering stats and nice visualisation in Grafana (rain, temperature, sun etc)

* controlling Roomba, Landroid etc based on environment values
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

Mine does lots of 'silly' things.

It reads Google calendar and then you can ask the Echo Dot what is on today and it will tell you that it's green bin day or Abfall sac day and so on.

I've got a Xiaomi cube and if the kids throw it in the air, the Echo Dot will tell them what their chores are for the week.

If I tell the Echo Dot that "Supper is ready", it will pause the TV if it is on and and display banner text saying "Supper is ready". It will also turn on the dining table lamp etc.
The TV is an LG but it will not tell me what state it is in which is a shame as I wanted it to dim the lights when play was pressed and brighten them when paused.

From COVID days, when the kids come back from school, they are greeted by name and told to wash their hands! (Fingerprint scanner entry).

When the washer or dryer is finished, the Echo Dots will announce this which is useful if you want to do a few washes in one day and don't want to keep checking that the last cycle has finished.

Shutters can be closed in any room and lamps turned on and off via the Echo Dots too.
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How about an old fashioned solution/joke. "Putzfrau" is not a profession, it is a command.
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

A quick update:

I've got my HA Yellow box installed, that was super easy. I added a Sonoff Zigbee dongle to ensure I covered WiFi, Z-wave and Zigbee connectivity.

A few discoveries so far.

*It is not a system for complete tech noobs. The learning curve is quite steep, but persist and things become clearer.
*Put the HA on the same VLAN as your devices, otherwise it you'll have to manually add each device
*Be careful with Zigbee - unpair all devices if you think you'll start from scratch.
*It does seem to be the smarthome hub that is most universal. But it still has a long way to go...for example, there are still no window shutter controls that are compatible with Shelly 2PM.
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... But it still has a long way to go...for example, there are still no window shutter controls that are compatible with Shelly 2PM.
Do you mean there is no way of controlling Shelly 2PM with HA or something else?

If the former then just use your Shelly in MQTT mode with Mosquito as a broker.

If the latter then I don't understand what you are saying.
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Do you mean there is no way of controlling Shelly 2PM with HA or something else?

If the former then just use your Shelly in MQTT mode with Mosquito as a broker.

If the latter then I don't understand what you are saying.
Apologies, I should have been more specific:

HA integrates devices and their entities: entities are either the specific inputs/outputs of a device. a 2PM has 13 entities in HA, including the up and down switches. These are all individually controllable/readable in HA.

However for the Dashboard (user interface) there is no shutter switch that is compatible with Shelly 2PM : currently you are stuck with two individual independent switches.

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Apologies, I should have been more specific:

HA integrates devices and their entities: entities are either the specific inputs/outputs of a device. a 2PM has 13 entities in HA, including the up and down switches. These are all individually controllable/readable in HA.

However for the Dashboard (user interface) there is no shutter switch that is compatible with Shelly 2PM : currently you are stuck with two individual independent switches.
Okay, I'm an idiot. My Shelly 2PMs were in default Switch profile, not shutter profile. Now I've changed them all over they work with one of the custom dashboard cards.
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