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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

3k sounds OK....10k, not so good!
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Alexa vs Google Assistant

Hi All,

I want to get an home automation assistant like Google Assistant or Amazon's Alexa. The purpose of this would be to:

Integrate voice con
  1. trol with ABB Free@Home for home automation of shutters and lights
  2. Integrate voice control with Logitech Harmony for turning on TV, Xbox, and all that electronics for making it more wife friendly
  3. Reading out the morning news
  4. Reading out my morning agenda or my wife's morning agenda
  5. Reading out the weather for the day

I read that Logitech Harmony is not supported in Switzerland for both Alexa and Google. Is there a way around this without impacting the other functionality I would like?

Which of the two do you recommend for doing what I am seeking?

Thanks mates
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Re: Alexa vs Google Assistant

I can control my Harmony through my Google phone, from memory the trick is to set the language to English US then Google Assistant works on your phone.
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Re: Alexa vs Google Assistant

I already have a wife!
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Re: Alexa vs Google Assistant

Hi,
I have both but I find the Google assistant more useful. It is great having it on the phone and on the google home and google home mini.


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Re: Alexa vs Google Assistant

Great sounds like it is time to go buy Google Assistant speakers. Where do you recommend going to buy them?
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

Well done that person! Great prediction.....got a rough figure back (without the firm visiting the flat).....10k!

I think I'd rather get off my arse and press the switch myself!
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

Has anyone set up blinds or awnings to be controlled by Google Home (or similar). I'm in the very preliminary stages of building a house, and it would be nice to figure out in advance what kind of costs (if any) i'd be looking at over and above normal blinds.
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

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Yes, mine are controlled by an Echo Dot.

The signal route is quite complex but results are instantaneous:

Spoken command to Echo "open kitchen shutter".
Echo cloud
openHAB server (RPI)
USB to RFXtrx433E
RFXtrx433E RF signals to Somfy shutter motors.

I can also control the blinds with my mobile phone, a wall-mounted tablet and a PC web interface or the existing wall mounted RF switches.
All will work if the web is down apart from the Echo commands.

They are also controlled by various rules - some go down after sunset for example and others go up and down if we're away.

Whatever you decide yourself, the key is to retain flexibility so you can still use them in ten years time.

The best way to do this is with a wired system.

If you go down the RF route:

Somfy do their own controller (hub) which links into other systems.
Bubendorff, on the other-hand have a system which you cannot clone so you can't use third-party controllers.

With regards to costs, with a wired route, you need the wiring to go to wall switched but also to a central point. Wiring and conduits are cheap at the building stage.

With an RF (wireless) route, you can go for that without home automation and it will work without and you can add it later.

There are also third party shutter motor controllers. RF and wired.

To be honest, adding automation to a motor-controlled system would probably be around (or at least) 300-400 CHF per blind + fitting for a decent system.
Much less for a DIY solution from Homematic or similar.
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

This is really useful stuff, many thanks.

Is the openhab server something you have in your house, a machine that's always on listening for commands?

Ideally, I'd not have to do any coding myself - although with about a year or more lead time, it might make sense to start learning.

If you were starting from scratch tomorrow, what exact setup would you go with?
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

If I were to build a house from scratch, I'd be tempted to wire every electrical and light outlet to a relay and every switch to a central hub. This would allow mappings of switch to any light(s) or socket(s) and computer control of everything. Of course, that's probably because I enjoy playing around with stuff like that.

A friend of mine actually rewired his house on that basis: he put cat5 everywhere as a control network and ran CANbus over it to control everything.
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If I were to build a house from scratch, I'd be tempted to wire every electrical and light outlet to a relay and every switch to a central hub. This would allow mappings of switch to any light(s) or socket(s) and computer control of everything. Of course, that's probably because I enjoy playing around with stuff like that.

A friend of mine actually rewired his house on that basis: he put cat5 everywhere as a control network and ran CANbus over it to control everything.
Is this the KNX thing?

In theory, I wouldn't be against that, but with the ever increasing number of idiot proof consumer focused smart home devices, I'm not sure if that level of granularity is really necessary for a fairly standard house. I'm not sure how good it would be if I sell in 5 or 10 years to older / non techy people, or if my parents are staying and want to watch TV, close blinds etc!
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

have a look at the products from homematic. They are approved in Switzerland for usage and cover all your needs. You'll find them from Conrad.ch
You have almost no limits in remote controlling your entire home. A friend of mine has build his entire home completely controlled, light, heating, blinds, garage access etc. and it's fun how it works e.g he arrives at home with his car and the garage recognizes his car and opens the door. Same by entering his house and lights go on
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

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Is this the KNX thing?

In theory, I wouldn't be against that, but with the ever increasing number of idiot proof consumer focused smart home devices, I'm not sure if that level of granularity is really necessary for a fairly standard house. I'm not sure how good it would be if I sell in 5 or 10 years to older / non techy people, or if my parents are staying and want to watch TV, close blinds etc!
It was a custom system.
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Old 16.03.2018, 11:46
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

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This is really useful stuff, many thanks.

Is the openhab server something you have in your house, a machine that's always on listening for commands?

Ideally, I'd not have to do any coding myself - although with about a year or more lead time, it might make sense to start learning.
I've mentioned openHAB before - mine's running on a RaspberryPi 3 with a phone charge brick as a UPS and a USB SSD. (less than 100 CHF) in total.
It sit next to my cable modem, ethernet patch panel and switch.

It will also run on a Windows machine.
It's on the whole time -it has an event bus always listening.
, hence the importance of low power consumption.

But I thinking of changing to a mini Windows machine as I want to run my finger-print scanner logger and and Unifi wifi controller s/w the whole time too.
(with the Unifi controller, I can use openHAB for presence detection).

The thing about openHAB is it's an extra and you should be able to switch it off and, for example, still use your hue lamps as normal with the remote or mobile phone.
You can use openHAB to create rules so they can interact with other stuff.
What I wouldn't do is tie yourself down to a restrictive system.
I steered away from IFTTT for rules as it needs an always-on internet connection and I don't want things to stop working if the internet is down.

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If I was building a place, I'd go for something like the wiring suggested by Phil for a start.

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You have almost no limits in remote controlling your entire home. A friend of mine has build his entire home completely controlled, light, heating, blinds, garage access etc. and it's fun how it works e.g he arrives at home with his car and the garage recognizes his car and opens the door. Same by entering his house and lights go on
I've got a Homematic CCU2 (hub) and various sensors and actuators which also work independently and talk to openHAB too.

I'm using the RF ones so no special wiring is needed and have had no problems at all in a year.

StirB: They do shutter controls too.
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

Hi guys can I step it back a bit technolog wise. I bought and have filled the house with Philips hue. Love it, no complaints. Now to my horror the wife has demanded more trendy lights in the main hallway, and hue doesnít really cut the mustard design wise. If I buy a normal lightset, I am sure there is some kind of small controller I can wire into or behind the light switch, but canít find what itís called. I need one that is Zigbee 3 compliant so it will work with the hue bridge. Any ideas ?
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Hi guys can I step it back a bit technolog wise. I bought and have filled the house with Philips hue. Love it, no complaints. Now to my horror the wife has demanded more trendy lights in the main hallway, and hue doesnít really cut the mustard design wise. If I buy a normal lightset, I am sure there is some kind of small controller I can wire into or behind the light switch, but canít find what itís called. I need one that is Zigbee 3 compliant so it will work with the hue bridge. Any ideas ?
There's a page here which lists all supported devices (and those which aren't)

This one from that link would do it but it's probably too bulky to fit behind the switch plate.
Could you wire it within the lamp base housing perhaps or in the ceiling?
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

So I got one of those Xiaomi vacuum cleaners the other day and added it to my home automation system so I can control it with timers and with Alexa.
I'll probably change it a bit when I work out how often it needs to clean.

The zoned cleaning doesn't work yet as I need to map out the room with coordinates first and use that data.

I want to use the vacuum on more than one floor but without moving the dock so I plan to have the dock on the ground floor (it needs that for the coordinates) but that is more open-plan and by nature of the type of areas -kitchen etc is more in need of zoned cleaning. Upstairs it can just do it's thing.

Has anyone used one on an upstairs floor without virtual walls, and without it falling down the stairs?

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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

I also have one of the Xiaomi vacuums (good riddance Roomba). I launch it from HomeAssistant on schedule and via voice commands. Only things it really misses is a way to define zones to avoid and as you said a way to tell it to clean a particular zone via an API call.

For anyone on the verge of getting a vacuum bot - do look at the Xiaomi Vacuum 2 instead of any of the Roombas.
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Re: Home Automation in Switzerland

So my brother kidnapped my roborock (1st version) and I *had to* buy the 2nd version
It's great, though at times it cannot find the dock, that is, it gets next to the dock but for some reason cannot connect to it (never happened with the 1st version).

I use it with its app, and I added it also to google home, without much use of it though.

Is Home assistant leveraging its use even more? f.ex. mapping rooms in any way and using commands to start a specific room cleaning? never used home assistant...
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