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Old 22.09.2009, 13:47
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Re: [Satellite] Multi-sat, motorised, complicated setups

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Dish: A Wave Toroidal T55, which can accomodate upto 8 LNBs (I plan to start with four, pointing to Eurobird 9E, Hotbird 13E, Astra 28.2 and one more).
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Not sure if the 55 is big enough, you might need to go for the 90.

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DiSEqC switch: 2 4X1 switches
You have to be careful here. A multi-switch is really the way to go. The reason being is some LNB's need the primary output to be active (powered) for the second/subsequent outputs to function. However I am not sure how true that is with the latest LNB's.

The Dreambox 8000 is over priced I agree. Not sure what is a good alternative. Next week I will meet with a friend who deals with Satellite stuff so I can ask him what he would recommend.
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Old 22.09.2009, 14:34
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Re: [Satellite] Multi-sat, motorised, complicated setups

Thanks szhjcn.

I chose the 55 because I plan to put it on my balcony floor (hoping the regie/neighbours don't create a fuss ). I guess I need to read up more on switches & LNBs to make the right choice.

Will be on the lookout for any recommendations from your friend.
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Old 22.09.2009, 14:44
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Re: [Satellite] Multi-sat, motorised, complicated setups

If the dish is inside your Balcony, then your neighbours can't do anything about it.

For a Multi-switch, I would check this one out (see attached). Best price I found was on eBay.fr

I have a four LNB in and 8-out which I will change for this one.
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Old 22.09.2009, 15:44
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Re: [Satellite] Multi-sat, motorised, complicated setups

http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...03059&indexURL=

But just realised it can only accept 3 LNB inputs. But for me this is ideal.
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Re: [Satellite] Multi-sat, motorised, complicated setups

Well, I'm still not clear about the DiSEqC vs Multi-switch issue. If I look at this setup, it looks like I don't need a multi-switch, as long as I have 4 universal twin LNBs. I can just use two DiSEqC switches for my twin receiver with PVR.

Also, if I decide to go four quad (instead of twin) LNBs (for future expnasion to a multiple room setup), then there are two options:

1 : 4 DiSEqC switches feeding 2 twin receivers (or one twin and two single receivers)
2 : One multi-switch with Quattro LNBs feeding 2 twin receivers (or one twin and two single receivers)

If I look at the prices, DiSEqC switches are very cheap compared to a multi-switch. Is there something I am missing here?
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Old 22.09.2009, 16:13
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Re: [Satellite] Multi-sat, motorised, complicated setups

There is a huge difference in the functionality between them.

A DiSEqC switch just select 1 of X LNB's. So in a 4 LNB configuration, you have 4 cables, one from each LNB and a single output.

A multi-switch uses Quattro LNB's (outputs are partial signals, split into: High/Low, Horizontal/Vertical), so with 4 LNB's there are 12 cables coming in and many coming out (normally between 4 and 16 going to n receivers) then for each output, the correct LNB along with the correct signal pair is provided on the output depending on the channel selected. Hence multi-switch.
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Old 22.09.2009, 16:50
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Re: [Satellite] Multi-sat, motorised, complicated setups

Thanks again; I do understand the concepts which you explained, but I don't understand why I need to go for a multi-switch when I am only going to use a twin receiver (with maybe an additional one in the future).

The 2 4X1 DiSEqC switches can feed this twin receiver and the receiver can use whichever signal it needs, right?
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Re: [Satellite] Multi-sat, motorised, complicated setups

this dish is supposed to be a bit of a pig to get everything aligned. I'd seek professional help, for what it's worth.
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Old 23.09.2009, 00:23
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Re: [Satellite] Multi-sat, motorised, complicated setups

That's what I was afraid of. Any recommendations for professional installers or shops in Geneva are welcome.
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Re: [Satellite] Multi-sat, motorised, complicated setups

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Thanks again; I do understand the concepts which you explained, but I don't understand why I need to go for a multi-switch when I am only going to use a twin receiver (with maybe an additional one in the future).

The 2 4X1 DiSEqC switches can feed this twin receiver and the receiver can use whichever signal it needs, right?
Monkman, I have the same setup (except that I use a Triax dish), and don't have any problems whatsoever with 2 4x1 DiSEqC switches. No need for an expensive multiswitch. I understand what szhjcn is talking about but having helped a friend set his whole system up with 4 sats, 4 twin LNBs and 2 Diseqc switches, and recently my own 3 sat, 3 twin LNBs and 2 Diseqc switches, and having had no problems at all, perhaps as he mentioned, these days the LNBs have improved.

We use the following Twin and switch combinations:
http://www.satonline.ch/shopping/lnb...b_Wetters_.php

http://www.satonline.ch/shopping/swi..._4LNB_1Rec.php

My friend did have a problem with his Topfield HD receiver which the manufacturer replaced and now have no problems. I have a Technisat HD receiver. I think his Topfield is better (and cheaper) though.
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Old 23.09.2009, 11:19
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Thanks again; I do understand the concepts which you explained, but I don't understand why I need to go for a multi-switch when I am only going to use a twin receiver (with maybe an additional one in the future).

The 2 4X1 DiSEqC switches can feed this twin receiver and the receiver can use whichever signal it needs, right?
Test the LNB you want to use:

Install one cable to the first output, and make sure you can receive all channels. Move cable to second output and check again. If both (or all with a Qaud) work independently, then the cheaper solution will work.

The issue I read about is where the LNB design needs to have power on the primary output to work. When you install a switch, you effectively can disconnect the primary output from the receiver therefore no power will be received on that connection.
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Old 24.09.2009, 22:42
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Re: [Satellite] Multi-sat, motorised, complicated setups

Ahhh... I finally see what you meant . I'll test this out for sure.
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Re: [Satellite] Multi-sat, motorised, complicated setups

Hi All,

Just order the VNE G3-G4 from this company in France. Cost 87.71 EUR plus delivery of 18.70 (total 106.41 EUR ca. 160chf)

Obviously I'll get stung by the import costs but far cheaper than the 360chf being charge here in CH.

Will let you know how it all works out.

http://www.2galli.fr/boutique/recher...&mot=VNE+G3-G4
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Hi All,

Just order the VNE G3-G4 from this company in France. Cost 87.71 EUR plus delivery of 18.70 (total 106.41 EUR ca. 160chf)

Obviously I'll get stung by the import costs but far cheaper than the 360chf being charge here in CH.

Will let you know how it all works out.

http://www.2galli.fr/boutique/recher...&mot=VNE+G3-G4

Cool, that works out cheaper than 4 4x1 Diseqc switches. Does it need its own power supply?
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Re: [Satellite] Multi-sat, motorised, complicated setups

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Ahhh... I finally see what you meant . I'll test this out for sure.
if it helps, I know that Topfield 7700/7710 HDPVR and Technisat HD S2 are ok, i.e., each tuner input has its own power supply.

Oh, btw, Topfield is apparently one of the few boxes that can pick up ITV HD. Technisat can't. That would be nice for champions league football...
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Re: [Satellite] Multi-sat, motorised, complicated setups

I'm still looking for an installer in Geneva, and haven't had any luck so far. Anyone...?
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Re: [Satellite] Multi-sat, motorised, complicated setups

Satellite dish installers - Geneva. Anyone?
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Re: [Satellite] Multi-sat, motorised, complicated setups

In Zürich, I have set up my own system a few months ago and have no problems at all.

80cm dish with 3 'Maximum' Quad LNB's. Running to 4 switches (4X1) and then 3 feeds running from these into my house (2 of them to a twin receiver) and one to my British neighbour.
We get all the Freesat stuff but no EPG (you need a Dreambox for that, and like an idiot I bought a Humax iCord). Unfortunately, the Dreambox 8000 (2twin receiver with HD is was overpriced, now I am building an HTPC instead).

You do not want to go down the Multiswitch road, what a nightmare that is.

There is a cheap website over your way, 1000ordi or something it is called. Great prices on Sat gear.

In the end, to get the three sats, I had a pro come by. It was too awkward to get the third signal lined up right. He ended up selling me a new dish with a special holder for the 3 satellites. Signal as great except in really crap weather.
New dish is a Visiosat oval shaped thing. I recommend it.

Sorry, my installer would probably charge too much to come out from Zürich.

Have you tried Whitepages.ch?
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