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Old 20.09.2014, 16:24
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Re: iPhone 6

On Thursday afternoon the hallowed pages of our internet auction house sported I-phone 6´s for 2800 Euros, actually a lowball as the bets amongst us screeners were at around 3500 E´s
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Yes, the nexus has soft buttons that are more or less permanently using up screen real estate. There are a handful of apps that can make use of Android 4.4's full screen mode, but that's a small minority
I turn off the buttons to have full screen usable. Button features available via gestures and pie control (Google lmt and XDA)
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I turn off the buttons to have full screen usable. Button features available via gestures and pie control (Google lmt and XDA)
Yeh I'm going android L will solve this natively
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Yes, the nexus has soft buttons that are more or less permanently using up screen real estate. There are a handful of apps that can make use of Android 4.4's full screen mode, but that's a small minority
For watching videos and movies this is not a problem because both the brower-based videos and the apps such as Youtube or Movie Player go on this full screen mode.
Also the Google Books reader as well as at least the two major independent reader apps on Android.

So you go on full screen mode to watch videos and read books or PDFs.
For what other kind of application is this really a problem?
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Re: iPhone 6

For anyone who's wondering how this stacks up against the GS5 The Onion have now released their highly anticipated comparison of the two major flagships:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/iph...laxy-s5,36969/

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Old 20.09.2014, 23:27
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Software-wise I'm using a web browser - both camps use the same underpinnings so will render pages equally well. That's the most sophisticated program that could make or break it for me.

Then a mail client, a podcast app, google maps, SBB, weather. That's 99%.
Then Apple has these ideas like "you cannot copy a file to/from it as it were a USB drive" without the bloatware iTunes ("this iPhone is synchronized with another computer, synchronizing will wipe it out").
Sometimes it is oversimplified and walled too much and actually made me waste time to go around these walls.

True, you still can't access USB storage directly, but at least iCloud Drive now let's you exchange data between devices and apps
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Software-wise I'm using a web browser - both camps use the same underpinnings so will render pages equally well. That's the most sophisticated program that could make or break it for me.

Then a mail client, a podcast app, google maps, SBB, weather. That's 99%.
Then Apple has these ideas like "you cannot copy a file to/from it as it were a USB drive" without the bloatware iTunes ("this iPhone is synchronized with another computer, synchronizing will wipe it out").
Sometimes it is oversimplified and walled too much and actually made me waste time to go around these walls.
Because most people don't know what a file is actually.
I agree there are some use-cases (trying to sync a huge library of music files between multiple mobile and stationary devices is one) that iTunes is just unsuitable for. Don't waste your time working against it.
If your use-cases are among those, iTunes and the iDevice universe isn't for you.
However, the number of people who do fall under that category is very small in comparison. Or else almost all Android device manufacturers wouldn't make losses.
I don't believe the millions of new users that buy new iDevices every quarter can be described as "iSheeple", "fanbois" or whatever. That demographic lines up at launch day and maybe stretches to the first two weeks after a new product is launched. Apple couldn't sustain a week's sales with only them.

Have you been to an Apple store? There's a good amount of people in the 50+ or 60+ age there, sitting in the training-sessions.

I didn't even own any digital music until AAPL & U2 decided to sponsor U2's latest album, which took me 10 minutes to actually find and download...
So, I clearly don't have the problem described above.
But I like how IOS syncs contacts, reminders and calendar-entries from my Mac to my phone and vice-versa without using google-services and without running my own caldav/carddav server.
Yes, Uncle SAM can read them nevertheless if he wants - but at least the stuff isn't sold to the highest bidder.
Same for the few docs that I have on iCloud.

I also like iOS because I can restore all my settings very quickly to a new phone.
The same is true for OSX - just restore from a time-machine backup and an hour later, everything is in place again.
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Old 21.09.2014, 08:17
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Re: iPhone 6

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I am not sure if you are correct about people not knowing what a file is. I use both an Android phone and iPhone 4s for work and not having access to the file system on the iPhone is an incredible pain as it means simple operations become really difficult. Downloading attachments, reading them later. Choosing which file you want to attach. It is a pain. The ability to look at your files as well being able to add a micro sd, read external data without copying to the device are really useful. It means you can go with the device with lowest memory and not worry about running out of space.


I don't think that all the people who buy iphones are isheep. Apple has incredibly powerful media presence and it is extremely rare to ever read a critical review anywhere. Using their powerful marketing engine it means a lot of people will buy their devices as the "easy" options without trying anything else. Samsung has successfully been able to build their brand so that now people will also look at their devices, but cannot control the media in the same as Apple.


On Android I love how seamlessly I can setup a new device, the backup and restore works so seamlessly. However, for documents I use other cloud services. The phone and tablet is never going to be the master version.


I saw the iPhone 6 and 6+ in Germany yesterday and they do look a lot better than the old models. Finally decent size devices. You could easily mistake the iPhone 6 for the HTC 8. Compared the existing small screen sizes they felt much less cramped. Neither would be my device of choice due to price, operating system and connectivity problems but if I had to use one it would be much more enjoyable an easier than the existing ones.




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Because most people don't know what a file is
I think you're right actually, and the file metaphor was replaced by easier-to-understand ones (like: "copy-and-paste anything" or "post this photo to Facebook"). However it would be nice if iOS had a "backdoor" for these who can cope with the file metaphor well.

The other issue I had was that my iPod 1st gen was left stranded - after having to reset it I could no longer load the apps on it, in spite of having the original .ipa files with apps that were compatible with iOS 3. I could do it several times before, even though App Store no longer had these older versions (now they keep the ones compatible with older iOS versions). But then probably iTunes dropped the support.

However, there are many things i like about iOS - it is so simple that my whole family can use it, there is the built-in dictionary, the reader mode in the browser, the seamless sync between iPhone calendar and Gmail calendar, same about mailboxes - it works without hiccups.
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Old 21.09.2014, 13:40
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I think you're right actually, and the file metaphor was replaced by easier-to-understand ones (like: "copy-and-paste anything" or "post this photo to Facebook"). However it would be nice if iOS had a "backdoor" for these who can cope with the file metaphor well.
I would definitely consider an iPhone and an iPad if there was a switch to go on advanced-user mode with things like file manager, setting your own default apps, etc.

No need for things like jail-breaking and other "hacks" that may facilitate illegal activities, but some basic functions for me to feel I control what's in my device and how I use it.
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I am not sure if you are correct about people not knowing what a file is. I use both an Android phone and iPhone 4s for work and not having access to the file system on the iPhone is an incredible pain as it means simple operations become really difficult.
I don't think a phone is made for such stuff.
I'm a system administrator. At work, I only use Linux with LXDE (not even KDE or Gnome (hate the later, actually), using shell and secure shell to transfer and copy files exclusively.
But would I want to do that on a phone?
Nope.
If I had a longer commute that didn't actually involve riding a bike, I'd get an 11" MacBookAir and work on that, while having it tethered to my iPhone 4S.
The iPhone 4S is really a "read your email, shoot some photos, write a short reply"-type phone. If I've got something longer to type, I rather use Siri to dictate it because it's much quicker (unless it involves lots of names and non-standard words).
I don't have iWork or iLife installed on it, because I couldn't imagine how one could sensibly work on such a small screen. As such I couldn't justify the expense.
And I'm rarely not in the office nor at home when I want to work on a document.
In the office, I can use iCloud.com to work on documents, if I'm so inclined.

From what I hear, iOS8 will be even more difficult as the new keyboard will take up a lot of screen real-estate...
Icindentally, iOS8 with "Continuity" will make it easier to begin drafting an email (or any other document) on one device and continue writing it on another.
At least, that's how I understand it.

What you are doing with your phone, only a very, very small minority of the users need and want to do.
It's clearly not a market worth pursuing at a larger scale.
Most are OK with attaching photos they just shot to an email, an IM or upload to whatever social networking site they adhere to (or indadvertedly to their iCloud photo stream...).

Stuff I do with my iPhone:
- WeatherPro
- iCal
- Contacts
- Mail (but not Exchange, as it basically requires giving admin-privileges on your phone to your Exchange-admin)
- Photos
- VBZ/SBB/Wemlin/Traffic/Maps
- ebay/ricardo
- either using Safari or dedicated apps of various news-sites
- a shopping-list app
- Notes
- banking
- vpn to work to check icinga for down services or the odd ticket

and that's about it.
Of course, there are much more apps, but I rarely use them these days.
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I would definitely consider an iPhone and an iPad if there was a switch to go on advanced-user mode with things like file manager, setting your own default apps, etc.

No need for things like jail-breaking and other "hacks" that may facilitate illegal activities, but some basic functions for me to feel I control what's in my device and how I use it.
You are in control of what's on your device.
It's just a different paradigm.
E.g. the app that handles the photos just doesn't think along the lines of "files".
It thinks in "places" and "moments" these days.
It would be nice if iWork's apps could think in "projects" or "customers", but that's currently not the case, unfortunately. But one can hope ;-)

I have nothing against files and folders. All the stuff on my work-PC is in files and folders. But it's not an ideal paradigm for all stuff.

As for the "advanced mode" - Apple's philosophy is that the less a user can fiddle with settings, the less can go wrong.
People will habitually click on any button without reading up about what the button does. They'll play with settings, screw things up - and then call Apple Care who will have to try to sort it out remotely...
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Re: iPhone 6

Hi,

probably the reason that people have not managed so much email on their IOS phones is that with the old models the screens were much too small. However, I do that all the time on the S4. I think it is a flexibility that Android gives you is a real advantage over IOS. I don't always have a pc with me.

Even you think that is not a problem with a phone it is a big problem with a tablet like an ipad. On a tablet managing your email is a normal thing to do. The problem with attachments is a nuisance with a tablet.


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You don't need a cloud solution, just set your up computer as a WebDAV server, get a dyndns account if you don't have a static IP and plan on accessing your computer remotely, install a WebDAV client such as "goodreader" , and there you have it. No cloud necessary.
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You don't need a cloud solution, just set your up computer as a WebDAV server, get a dyndns account if you don't have a static IP and plan on accessing your computer remotely, and there you have it. No cloud necessary.

True, WebDAV works as well, of course (I suspect iCloud is still just WebDAV underneath, like .Mac before). Pages has WebDAV support built in.

For me, the whole thing is a non-issue as I don't typically do any word processing on my mobile. I use it to take pictures, write emails, for listening to music on Spotify etc. I sometimes write texts on the iPad - for that I use OneNote and later copy them into word on my PC at work or on my Mac at home. I suspect most users have a usage profile similar to mine.
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Hi,

probably the reason that people have not managed so much email on their IOS phones is that with the old models the screens were much too small. However, I do that all the time on the S4. I think it is a flexibility that Android gives you is a real advantage over IOS. I don't always have a pc with me.

Even you think that is not a problem with a phone it is a big problem with a tablet like an ipad. On a tablet managing your email is a normal thing to do. The problem with attachments is a nuisance with a tablet.


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As every app is sandboxed, it would be a bit silly to have a File-Open dialog, right?
I'm not yet on Yosemite and IOS8, so I can't say how it works with iCloud drive etc.

I'm certainly glad that Apple sandboxes every app in their own "cage".
Most people cannot make an informed decision whether an app should be allowed out of the sandbox or not - that's why our servers get hammered with 100k failed auth-requests on SMTP/POP and why we have to process tens of thousands of spam-mails every day.

As I said, it's useless trying to work against OSX/IOS - either you get what you want or you move on.

It's the same as trying to use an Android-phone without Google apps.
AFAIK, it's possible but not the best user-experience...
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As I said, it's useless trying to work against OSX/IOS - either you get what you want or you move on.



It's the same as trying to use an Android-phone without Google apps.

AFAIK, it's possible but not the best user-experience...

I think both of that is true - if you don't trust google, you won't want to use Android. And if you need a full-access OS for whatever reason, iOS isn't for you. I've used both Android and iOS extensively. I used an Android phone for most of the last 3 years. I stopped buying iPhones for home use because the screen was too small. Now that that's remedied, I'm glad I can finally commit to iOS as I've grown tired of the sub-par stability and usability Android has been offering me. I know that many, even most people prefer Android or have Android handsets because Apple hardware is insanely expensive, and I don't typically go around telling people that iOS is better, unless they specifically ask me about my personal opinion.
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Re: iPhone 6

What's up with all this iPhone envy?

I just FINALLY got my first smart phone a few weeks ago. (Before this, I had one of those old school pre-paid thing-a-majiggers).

But I have to tell ya... I really don't feel that much smarter with it. In fact, quite the opposite. I keep accidentally calling everyone in my contacts list.

Yesterday, I accidentally called an ex-boyfriend... and felt awful trying to explain to him that I actually didn't care to chat. The call was a mistake.

Oops.
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What's up with all this iPhone envy?

I just FINALLY got my first smart phone a few weeks ago. (Before this, I had one of those old school pre-paid thing-a-majiggers).

But I have to tell ya... I really don't feel that much smarter with it. In fact, quite the opposite. I keep accidentally calling everyone in my contacts list.

Yesterday, I accidentally called an ex-boyfriend... and felt awful trying to explain to him that I actually didn't care to chat. The call was a mistake.

Oops.
Hehe. I did this for the first week when I got my first iPhone. Nearly threw the thing through the window a few times! You'll get used to it soon
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What's up with all this iPhone envy?

I just FINALLY got my first smart phone a few weeks ago. (Before this, I had one of those old school pre-paid thing-a-majiggers).

But I have to tell ya... I really don't feel that much smarter with it. In fact, quite the opposite. I keep accidentally calling everyone in my contacts list.

Yesterday, I accidentally called an ex-boyfriend... and felt awful trying to explain to him that I actually didn't care to chat. The call was a mistake.

Oops.
smartphones aren't for everyone. stick with the LG Prada maybe?
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