Does anyone have experience with a spy camera? The kind that doesn´t look like a camera but like an alarm clock or something else.
I know some use it to watch over their cleaners or babysitters.
Can something like this be bought in Switzerland?

Thanks

Yes :

http://www.apfelkiste.ch/multifunkti...ge-kamera.html

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Are you allowed to video people without their knowledge?

Genuine question. I don't know, but I recall some issue with a shop having a camera (possibly without having signs). Even then, I don't know if there are different rules for a private residence.

It's not just a private residence. You (the OP) are recording an employee at (presumably) her place of work. Besides which, being a private residence in which a (again presumably) young lady has a reasonable expectation of privacy, there are much creepier interpretations.

If you don't trust her, she shouldn't be watching your kid. Fire her. But you're on awfully thin ice with that camera idea.

The OP hasn't actually said they want it for an employee or nanny, simply that they want a "spy camera". It could be for an even more dubious purpose.

I'm a great believer in treating others as you'd like to be treated yourself, so the OP needs to ask themselves that question very seriously: how would they feel if they discovered they were being video-ed covertly?

With the usual IANAL.
I would think you can film in your own premises whenever you like? Although if you stuck a camera in the toilet or changing room you would likely fall under different laws than simple privacy.

I can't really think of a legitimate use for a covert camera other than, for example, you notice items missing from home, you suspect an employee. You could simply sack them but if you want to secure a prosecution you would need some proof. Loads of examples in the UK and USA .. But hey, who knows the law here.

I do know that operating CCtV equipment in the UK requires you to hold a valid license which has to be renewed every three years.

This is the law here in German

http://www.edoeb.admin.ch/datenschut...x.html?lang=de

It highlights the normal common sense concerns that some poster here have ..

So what is the position regarding recent cases in the UK where families have used spy cameras in care homes and recorded their loved ones being abused? I can't imagine them obtaining a valid licence Their concerns were rightly exposed to be true which would not have been possible without the spy cameras.

Not sure to be honest and like you say they are very unlikely to hold a license.
Must be different laws regarding domain public areas and private.

From a Nanny point of view- I would sue you straight away because if you want to spy on your employee, well... you have to let them know! This is the rule in Switzerland.

Yes it is your house, yes it is your child, or expensive things etc but you are following me with your hidden camera. Why would you have the right to do that but I do not have the right to know that I am being spied on?? If you don't trust your employees, fire them.

I worked for 2 families that had cameras but they asked me if it was ok for me from the moment I met them.


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From a moral point of view, the people saying that it's their house also have to bear in mind that there are perfectly legitimate things a nanny might do that they wouldn't want filming.

What, for example, is wrong with her getting changed in the living room while the little one is off napping?

If you don't trust the/a nanny put your child in daycare/crèche...simples, really.

Not that simple if folk cannot afford it. Often a nanny works out cheaper.

How comes?

They don't have the overheads that a nursery does such as rent, play equipment purchase, electricity costs, cleaning and maintenance etc etc

My friend payed 2500 fr per month for the creche, hasn't been happy with it because the kid was getting sick every second week, and now pays 4500 fr to a nanny. A Swiss nanny. Of course, if people want to hire a poor au pair and work her like hell as nanny plus maid, pay her peanuts...yes, it works out cheaper. A lot cheaper.

Would the nanny charge 9000 CHF for two children, for example?

2500CHF seems quite cheap for a creche.

I think you need to note that Sobeit's post did say that a nanny often works out cheaper which isn't the same as "always works out cheaper".

Have no idea what a nanny would charge for 2 kids, for sure not the double amount...
2500 cheap? Tell my friend that. Btw, have no idea what were the conditions or how many days per week etc. She did complain it's gonna cost her more to hire a nanny though.
As for the last sentence, pleeeease. Could you be more condescending?