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Re: Netflix Switzerland starting September 18

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My US netflix (via unblockus) just died today
So, how about the other proxy? Which one that's still working?
Mine has been acting funny lately but I hope Unblock-Us can work around it for as long as it takes!
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Re: Netflix Switzerland starting September 18

Hi,

it is not just Netflix both the BBC (iplayer) and Now TV are starting to block vpn/smartdns.

I have a feeling this is going to be a real game of cat and mouse. It is seems the content companies prefer pirates to paying customers.

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Old 03.03.2016, 18:21
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Hi,

it is not just Netflix both the BBC (iplayer) and Now TV are starting to block vpn/smartdns.

I have a feeling this is going to be a real game of cat and mouse. It is seems the content companies prefer pirates to paying customers.

Have fun

Martin


Why the BBC won't just set up a subscription service - or have some means of using your TV licence number as a password - so you can view overseas I just don't understand. Surely it's a no-brainer money-spinner?


MyExpat is now blocked by Netflix. Not tried Iplayer yet.
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Why the BBC won't just set up a subscription service - or have some means of using your TV licence number as a password - so you can view overseas I just don't understand. Surely it's a no-brainer money-spinner?
They had one, though it was only for the iPad. They shut it down June of last year: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-32718259

I signed up for a year when they had a promo, but didn't renew. It was *far* too expensive for the content it had, and even though it was all BBC content they still rotated the content (as in add some new stuff, remove some old stuff) instead of just adding.

I didn't know it was like that when I signed up, otherwise I never would have. Yes, my fault for not reading the conditions properly...
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Re: Netflix Switzerland starting September 18

Ah... I don't have an iPad.... that passed me by!
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Re: Netflix Switzerland starting September 18

Yep, my unblock-us access to Netflix had been restricted (blocked o/s CH). Nowtv working ok but can't get a new iPad to work with it, despite having a free slot in the devices.
I wrote to unblock-us support and then Netflix started working again. Unfortunately unblock-us then did something to my account, had to change DNS addresses and it all stopped working again !!

Iplayer remains unaffected.

Grrrrrr...... Bloody licensing restrictions. I'd love to lock all interested parties in a room and not let them out until a deal had been done which allowed acces to all content at anytime from anywhere. Just take my money - don't send me to BitTorrent etc.
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Why the BBC won't just set up a subscription service - or have some means of using your TV licence number as a password - so you can view overseas I just don't understand. Surely it's a no-brainer money-spinner?
I was always under the impression that rights management was region-dependent. So you make a TV programme in the UK and then you sell it to the BBC or some other broadcaster or distributor. Traditionally, the deal is usually limited to (say) the UK. If you want to sell it in the US, you do a separate deal with a US broadcaster. And another for Australia....

So typically, the BBC won't be licensed to broadcast, or make available, that programme outside the UK.

If it's a programme they make themselves, they have more leeway, but if the programme features celebs, they will have agents who will try to restrict the broadcast to certain countries only.

There may be a more prosaic reason e.g. that the Charter forbids it, but I suspect the main reason is linked to rights management,
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Old 04.03.2016, 08:48
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I was always under the impression that rights management was region-dependent. So you make a TV programme in the UK and then you sell it to the BBC or some other broadcaster or distributor. Traditionally, the deal is usually limited to (say) the UK. If you want to sell it in the US, you do a separate deal with a US broadcaster. And another for Australia....

So typically, the BBC won't be licensed to broadcast, or make available, that programme outside the UK.

If it's a programme they make themselves, they have more leeway, but if the programme features celebs, they will have agents who will try to restrict the broadcast to certain countries only.

There may be a more prosaic reason e.g. that the Charter forbids it, but I suspect the main reason is linked to rights management,
Correct Pachyderm. Programmes are sold to countries/regions which is why Sky UK is only available in the UK technically. Yes, it can be picked up beyond the UK's border's if you have the right kit, but they can't sell to people living outside the country. Which is why you have other companies offering to act as "hosts" that many people get their Sky subscriptions through. They provide the relevant UK info to get your Sky card activated and you pay them for the privilege - if you don't have a UK address of your own to use.

This may also be relevant - the Beeb are closing the loophole on iPlayer viewers not needing a TV licence to watch catch-up programmes.

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-35708623
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Re: Netflix Switzerland starting September 18

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Mine has been acting funny lately but I hope Unblock-Us can work around it for as long as it takes!
You can still watch Swiss Netflix but it seems that Season 4 of House of Cards is not there.
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Old 04.03.2016, 22:18
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Re: Netflix Switzerland starting September 18

Hi

The reason that you cannot see US House of Cards on Netflix Switzerland is that it is being shown on Sky Atlantic which would mean you require to pay for Teleclub on top of your cable tv bill.

I hope it will not be long until everything is globally available or you can rent stuff directly from the makers...irrelevant of where you live.

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You can still watch Swiss Netflix but it seems that Season 4 of House of Cards is not there.
I've bounced around a few of my proxies. Situation is:

France: available
Canada: not available
Switzerland: not available
US: available

I'll be binging on France...

It's a bit cheeky of Netflix to be acting just like the big bad license holders when they claim to be railing against the system. Plus ša change...
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Re: Netflix Switzerland starting September 18

Netflix hasn't paid for the right to broadcast HoC in Switzerland and while people continue to pirate it via VPN from their US offerings, they have no real economic case to license such content.

Good for VPN pirate and Netflix who have a strong interest to delay enforcing VPN limits or doing it half-heartedly, bad for content owners who will not be able to license their rights at a reasonable price since Netflix has allowed potential customers to watch the pirated versions already.
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Netflix hasn't paid for the right to broadcast HoC in Switzerland
Netflix make the show; it says "Netflix Original" right at the start. They haven't got the right to broadcast in CH because they sold that right.

While it may make sense to do that in a short-term financial sense, it doesn't do a lot for their reputation (which has more long-term implications).
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Re: Netflix Switzerland starting September 18

House of Cards was Netflix's first original content (from what I recall) and it was produced when Netflix was still only in a few countries - there is no surprise that they licensed the show in other regions where they had no coverage, as a way of generating revenue to pump back into their original content.

I'm sure I read somewhere recently that Netflix's goal is to produce their own content that can be released on their worldwide platform at the same time, licensing deals may be done but not to provide exclusivity at the detriment of the streaming platform.
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Netflix make the show; it says "Netflix Original" right at the start. They haven't got the right to broadcast in CH because they sold that right.
I don't know whether they actually sold the rights, but they currently don't have them so need to pay for those rights.

http://exstreamist.com/netflix-origi...-of-countries/
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I don't know whether they actually sold the rights, but they currently don't have them so need to pay for those rights.

http://exstreamist.com/netflix-origi...-of-countries/
Netflix sold the rights. In some cases it was for a limited number of seasons; for instance, in France (where I'm watching it right now on Netflix), CanalPlus bought the rights to the first two seasons, but nothing after that so Netflix can show it now.
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Netflix sold the rights. In some cases it was for a limited number of seasons; for instance, in France (where I'm watching it right now on Netflix), CanalPlus bought the rights to the first two seasons, but nothing after that so Netflix can show it now.
Pretty good deal for Netflix, sell all the worldwide rights, but keep showing the content in those territories where you sold the rights anyway and exploit the rights you already sold. I'm surprised that nobody has sued Netflix yet.

Maybe they will go after the end users the same way they currently go after the torrent users - but technically, that will be more difficult to do than in the case of torrents.
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Pretty good deal for Netflix, sell all the worldwide rights, but keep showing the content in those territories where you sold the rights anyway and exploit the rights you already sold.
The rights were sold by country, of course, not worldwide.

That's not to say that the rights holders haven't been pressuring Netflix, that's what the current proxy blocking escalation is all about (which, of course, does tie into your "Netflix having their cake and eating it" scenario - they were perfectly benign about people region swapping since it increased their subscriptions; the rights holders less so).
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Re: Netflix Switzerland starting September 18

Hi,

it is not piracy if you bought a subscription for the US in dollars and you choose to watch in another country. The location where you watch is totally irrelevant or are you saying that when people are travelling they are not allowed to watch content that they have rightly paid for ? They have not stolen any content they paid for it and the money went to the content providers.

Otherwise you are saying you cannot buy a dvd in one country and play it in another. It is not piracy. That is stealing content e.g. Torrents.

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Hi,

it is not piracy if you bought a subscription for the US in dollars and you choose to watch in another country. The location where you watch is totally irrelevant or are you saying that when people are travelling they are not allowed to watch content that they have rightly paid for ? They have not stolen any content they paid for it and the money went to the content providers.

Otherwise you are saying you cannot buy a dvd in one country and play it in another. It is not piracy. That is stealing content e.g. Torrents.

Have fun

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Maybe not quite piracy, but what you bought was to watch in the US and not anywhere else - that is your agreement with your provider because they is all they allowed under their agreement with the company/ies they bought the programmes from.

Laws/regulations haven't caught up with the "global" viewing that people want these days which is why you find the restrictions on things like Sky TV only being able to broadcast in the UK, Germany and Italy through their respective companies. Frankly, I'm surprised they haven't brought the 3 companies together so that they can broadcast to the whole of Europe under one umbrella.

And no you can't always buy a DVD in one country and play it in another. US and Europe use different format (NTSC and PAL respectively) and DVD players can't always play them back properly.

https://www.sjbproductions.com/web_p...o/ntsc_pal.htm
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