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I once had a tech from Grass Valley say to me "Gee, that HD signal looks great - you can really tell the difference". He wasn't happy when I told him it was SD
Well GVG Thompson, probably made the best HD video camera ever, the Viper which down sampled 27,600,000 pixels to HD, if only they could have had a way of recording or displaying 4k at the time, probably beat most cameras on the market today more than 10 years later.
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Normally, the best result is from watching at the native framerate. The increased refresh rates are pretty much marketing hype in most situations. the TV can't recreate information which is not there to begin with

Most of the artefacts you see are from in frame data compression, rather than frame rate increase.
yes, i can imagine a lot of the perceived increase in quality is due to the placebo effect.
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Re: Samsung 50" 4K TV, 777.00 in Migros

I have a different view on topic 4k but i can be wrong.

I have, i would say, an average home cinema (1000 receiver, 2000 speakers and 1000 subwoofer) and i can easily say in a 50 square meter living room even a screen with 55 truggles with the dimension of sound, specially DTS-HD MA 7.1.

Basically, and this is the feedback of all people i bring here, u listen to Transformers where you can easily detect a 5 meter high robot and sound all around you in some meters range and the screen is barely 1 meter high.

For example for this sound (and yes i am ignoring distance to TV) a TV with 65 but 80 inch would be perfect (for 4, 4.5 meters away).

With 80 inch TV the 4 k just start to make sense.

And if you have speakers in ceiling or you purchase the new Dolby ATMOS sound where u have 4 speakers for height i would imagine having a tiny plasma like 50 inch and sound going all over the room of 50 square meter makes no sense.

But this is my personal experience.
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Apparently the (very limited amount of) Netflix 4K content is compressed down to 15 Mbit/second. That's a huge amount of compression. Native 4K is around 6Gbit/second.



I'm not sure if there's any point spending thousands of Francs, just to watch blocky episodes of House of Cards and Breaking Bad.

I suspect you've never seen the picture quality? It's definitely better than HD on Netflix. It's also quite easy to see the difference as the stream starts out as SD, then switches to HD and eventually to 4K once it's filled the buffer and there's enough bandwidth available.
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I suspect you've never seen the picture quality? It's definitely better than HD on Netflix.
You're right - I'm just going off the data rates published on the internet. But I'm well aware of the technology involved.

I've seen 4K at professional distribution rates, and I didn't like it. I'm not going to spend money to watch it at approximately 20& of that quality. But as I said, my job involves me being excessively picky with TV pictures.

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It's also quite easy to see the difference as the stream starts out as SD, then switches to HD and eventually to 4K once it's filled the buffer and there's enough bandwidth available.
To add to my last post - The human mind is much better at picking up a change in resolution than making a "blind" judgement. All of the HD formats look great initially, but the "wow" factor wears off quite quickly as your brain accepts the presented picture information.

I'm not saying that Netflix does this deliberately. But it would surprise me if they haven't taken it into account.
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Re: Samsung 50" 4K TV, 777.00 in Migros

I'm curious (and please the professionals in this forum, chip in at any time). How can they sell the TV in question as a 4K, when it isn't based on this text "Technically, "Ultra High Definition" is actually a derivation of the 4K digital cinema standard. However while your local multiplex shows images in native 4096 x 2160 4K resolution, the new Ultra HD consumer format has a slightly lower resolution of 3840 X 2160."
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I'm curious (and please the professionals in this forum, chip in at any time). How can they sell the TV in question as a 4K, when it isn't based on this text "Technically, "Ultra High Definition" is actually a derivation of the 4K digital cinema standard. However while your local multiplex shows images in native 4096 x 2160 4K resolution, the new Ultra HD consumer format has a slightly lower resolution of 3840 X 2160."
It's exactly 4 times the picture of 1920 x 1080, as editing & visual effects will often be done in normal HD it's much better & less lossy to be exactly 4 times upscale. The extra pixels will usually just be black & nobody will ever notice or comment.

Very little cinema content is created at 4k, at last years Oscar's , all the winners originated on Arri Alexa (3.2k) or 35mm film. Most films are finished at 2k, Visual Effects require 4 times the data for 4k, so far more expensive, few producers will pay the premium.
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Re: Samsung 50" 4K TV, 777.00 in Migros

the curved design is cool

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the curved design is cool

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If your about 1m away, you will benefit from the curved screen, that's about where you need to be to benefit from 4k on a 48 inch screen
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anyone who says that true 4k makes no difference in a 50" TV is talking out of their rear... the detail is still staggering and noticeably different to 1080p. You can literally make out tiny details in a scene that in 1080p would be a blur.
I bet you anything that put side by side in a dark room, at least 95 of a 100 persons would say a FullHD OLED has more details than a 4K LCD with LED backlight. Your eyes just can't make out that level of detail (unless you go 80inches or so and you sit way too close). What matters is the contrast.
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I bet you anything that put side by side in a dark room, at least 95 of a 100 persons would say a FullHD OLED has more details than a 4K LCD with LED backlight. Your eyes just can't make out that level of detail (unless you go 80inches or so and you sit way too close). What matters is the contrast.
We shall have to agree to disagree on that.
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We shall have to agree to disagree on that.
Deal. Or alternatively You buy the 4k I get the OLED and we do a 1-1 comparison. However I only got permission from my OH when price drops to 1500CHF.
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I have a different view on topic 4k but i can be wrong.

I have, i would say, an average home cinema (1000 receiver, 2000 speakers and 1000 subwoofer) and i can easily say in a 50 square meter living room even a screen with 55 truggles with the dimension of sound, specially DTS-HD MA 7.1.

Basically, and this is the feedback of all people i bring here, u listen to Transformers where you can easily detect a 5 meter high robot and sound all around you in some meters range and the screen is barely 1 meter high.

For example for this sound (and yes i am ignoring distance to TV) a TV with 65 but 80 inch would be perfect (for 4, 4.5 meters away).

With 80 inch TV the 4 k just start to make sense.

And if you have speakers in ceiling or you purchase the new Dolby ATMOS sound where u have 4 speakers for height i would imagine having a tiny plasma like 50 inch and sound going all over the room of 50 square meter makes no sense.

But this is my personal experience.
Sounds like you need a projector for your setup!
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Deal. Or alternatively You buy the 4k I get the OLED and we do a 1-1 comparison. However I only got permission from my OH when price drops to 1500CHF.
yes, time for a scientific test. though i'd guess the results would be more like 50:50.
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I cant stand these curved designs, they just look and feel wrong to me when Im in front of them.
I agree, the curved design is a gimmick. You would need a 2x5 meter sized TV to benefit from any extra immersion from a curved screen. A 55 inch TV can never try and be IMAX.
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I bet you anything that put side by side in a dark room, at least 95 of a 100 persons would say a FullHD OLED has more details than a 4K LCD with LED backlight. Your eyes just can't make out that level of detail (unless you go 80inches or so and you sit way too close). What matters is the contrast.
The whole point of 4k is so you can sit much closer than 80 inches to a 48 inch screen, try a curved screen at 24 inches & see how good it looks, It's not way too close, that's the whole point..
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The whole point of 4k is so you can sit much closer than 80 inches to a 48 inch screen, try a curved screen at 24 inches & see how good it looks, It's not way too close, that's the whole point..
no the whole point of 4k is to create a new higher spec and make everyone upgrade the TVs and generate more sales for TV manufacturers.
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Re: Samsung 50" 4K TV, 777.00 in Migros

isn't that called marketing and is applied to all consumer products??






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