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Thanks for your answers!

1. Ok, transferring should be pretty straight forward

2. This is most difficult part I think - when you buy something with one account, it essentially leases you that countries version. Lets assume I had apple id 1 in the UK, and swapped it to Switzerland (all you need is a Swiss Credit Card) everything I ever bought in the UK wouldn't show up as bought on the swiss store, however, if I purchase something in the swiss store that I had bought in the UK store, even though it says 'purchase' on the app store, it will tell me I own it already and it will download. Its a big mess. This will eventually lead to heart attack, as some of the software I bought is pricy and clicking on 500 CHF purchase always gets my pulse racing (even though I know it will work). Even more so when it comes to country specific apps (like Classic FM radio app doesn't exist in CH ). However, I tried to consolidate the most used account to have everything but it took me forever. My US iTunes is for books, Swiss for Software and Apps, Uk also for software and music. This is a huge pain point for many apple users: "Unfortunately folks, we do not make the rules, Apple does. The bottom line is that there is no way to transfer apps from one ID to another ID. Apple just does not allow it and it is really that simple." - https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3784854

3+4. I would look into buying parallels: http://www.parallels.com/products/desktop as a personal recommendation. So I use my mac for work related things, occasionally I need to use windows only software, I can just click on the parallels icon and it launches a Windows Machine on my Mac in 'parallel' to whatever is open on my Mac OS. Originally I bought it to be able to run Microsoft visual studio, I use it for so much more ever since I got it (roughly 2 years ago?) - you can even copy paste from one window to the other. Before that I used to have a separate windows partition, but this is complicated, requires a reboot and doesn't allow both systems to run at the same time. Consumer warning though: you'll need a valid windows key - as everything comes pre-installed these days on OEM license, I wouldn't be surprised if you have to buy windows key ontop of parallels. Conclusively, I believe parallels was made for someone in your situation.

5+6. I think you summed up what you want .

So it boils down to 2 questions: How many computers and what operating systems .

I need my own machine (actually, more than one ) just to know its mine and its kept well organised etc. Then its a cost/preference question: My cheapest machine if we look at ROI in $ per minute my most expensive mac is actually the cheapest because its the oldest machine, its still the fastest and I use it most. I'm very cost conservative when it comes to my IT purchases and hate that the same hardware in apple machine (this could be debatable) usually costs more than the same hardware in a microsoft equivalent.

So conclusively, if I were you, I'd spend a sensible amount on a family Windows machine, where you can do your excel work and the rest of the family can use as they please and then a private Mac machine which fulfils the other needs (which you already have). It would also be cheaper than buying a family mac that runs both Windows and Mac OSX.

Although the general rule is that the mac would hurt your wallet more, its not always the case. My ASUS laptop was about 2.5k CHF - so take all the price discussion stuff with a pinch of salt, to a degree you will get what you pay for (with apple, factor in a premium). Getting a windows machine to run OSX (not linux) is far more complicated than the other way around.

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Thanks Jack, I think that's exactly what I'll do: start looking into a decent replacement for the pc, probably Windows based, and keep my Mac to myself. I'm becoming more territorial with age, or maybe it's just a hassle to have to wrestle for the computer.
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Old 22.06.2015, 16:57
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Re: buying new laptop, wait for windows 10?

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Did you think of upgrading away from the mac ? Having all machines on Windows would certainly make it easier to maintain everything. Running on standard hardware and standard software on all the machines as well as using standard cables can things a lot simpler. It has certainly made my life easier.


Just an alternative approach, but it sounds like you have already made your decision.


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Re: buying new laptop, wait for windows 10?

if you want to support NSA then buy Windows. If not get a Mac

http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/17/but.../#.w2apo5:0fhC

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rather unsurprisingly OS X is normally at the top vulnerabilities http://www.gfi.com/blog/most-vulnera...tions-in-2014/ and the pattern is continued into 2015. It is rather naive to think that Macs are by default immune to problems.

I use pcs at work and all my machines at home are running Windows and running well. I am running the Windows 10 preview and I am very pleased with it. In fact all my machines will be upgraded to 10 at the end of July.

I have used Macs and really unless you are locked into their eco system there is very little reason to buy one. They are over priced and there is a learning curve to using them. Some things that are really simple on Windows are very convoluted on the Mac.

With your decision making have a look in a few shops and compare devices. i would avoid the Apple shops as all you will hear is marketing.

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Old 22.06.2015, 17:16
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Re: buying new laptop, wait for windows 10?

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there are many reasons why you might buy either machines but in terms of the NSA I would have thought that buying a PC or a Mac would mean supporting the NSA. Also the source code for Windows can be viewed by any country which I do not believe is the case of Darwin, or may be I am mistaken. Or do you think the NSA does not care about the Mac as less than 10% of the market use them ? thanks for the amusing coment.


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Did you think of upgrading away from the mac ? Having all machines on Windows would certainly make it easier to maintain everything. Running on standard hardware and standard software on all the machines as well as using standard cables can things a lot simpler. It has certainly made my life easier.


Just an alternative approach, but it sounds like you have already made your decision.


Have fun
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Haven't excluded it for the future, but the Mac is relatively new (late 2013) and works like a dream, while the pc is from early 2010 and showing signs of age.

I'm one of those people who keep their things until they really need to be replaced, my guess is that the Mac is in the house until at the very least 2019-2020...

Also, for an amateur like me, the fact that it bever crashes and that it's pretty darn fast is rather appealing.
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Old 22.06.2015, 19:02
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Haven't excluded it for the future, but the Mac is relatively new (late 2013) and works like a dream, while the pc is from early 2010 and showing signs of age.

I'm one of those people who keep their things until they really need to be replaced, my guess is that the Mac is in the house until at the very least 2019-2020...

Also, for an amateur like me, the fact that it bever crashes and that it's pretty darn fast is rather appealing.
Im guessing the Mac has an SSD, and the WIndows has a normal mechanical HD?
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Im guessing the Mac has an SSD, and the WIndows has a normal mechanical HD?
Positive for the Mac, and you're probably right for the pc but I'm not going to spend precious minutes starting it up just to check.

Don't worry, I'm not passing a judgement on Mac vs. PC by comparing a 1,5 yr old Macbook with a 5,5 yr old laptop. The first is bew and works well, the second is old and close to retirement.

Just having an internal debate on what the replacement will be...and leaning towards keeping our schizoprenic set-up with one of each.
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Re: buying new laptop, wait for windows 10?

Just to chip on on laptop ages.

I have a 4 year old Samsung, that is still as good as gold (and probably wont get replaced for some time yet), which replaced a 4 year old Dell, which was only pensioned off, because the Samsung was too much of a bargain to pass up.

If programmes are always updated with current versions and regular maintenance and cleaning is undertaken, then they should continue to function at almost full capacity for a long time.

I admit that my laptop usage is reduced, now, with the usage of iPad and phone, but it's fired up everyday to perform it's schedule tasks, without problems and time lags.
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Hi,
rather unsurprisingly OS X is normally at the top vulnerabilities http://www.gfi.com/blog/most-vulnera...tions-in-2014/ and the pattern is continued into 2015. It is rather naive to think that Macs are by default immune to problems.
If you read the page to the end, you'll see that it isn't quite that easy.
In the table, there are 247 vulnerabilities for IE - but none for Safari. Later on, the author expands on that to mention that Safari had 70 vulnerabilities with 3 critical ones - whereas IE hat 68 with 47 high severity....
"I only believe in statistics I doctored myself"
It's difficult to compare the two systems at that level anyway.

Besides, I don't have Flash or Java installed (neither at home or at work), eliminating two huge vectors for vulnerabilities.
Doesn't say the box can't be p4wned, of course.

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I use pcs at work and all my machines at home are running Windows and running well. I am running the Windows 10 preview and I am very pleased with it. In fact all my machines will be upgraded to 10 at the end of July.
Good for you.
For me, Windows is just bizarre. And they change the look and feel almost every version - for no apparent gain in productivity.
Apple is much more subtle with this - but they also have more frequent releases (a system that Microsoft will also use post-W10).

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I have used Macs and really unless you are locked into their eco system there is very little reason to buy one. They are over priced and there is a learning curve to using them. Some things that are really simple on Windows are very convoluted on the Mac.

With your decision making have a look in a few shops and compare devices. i would avoid the Apple shops as all you will hear is marketing.
I'm not "locked" into their eco-system any more than someone using Windows and Word (the later one even available for Macs).
I do like Mail.app and the way I can search my mails with it, Spotlight. And I have Omnigraffle, which I prefer to Visio.
At work, people use Word or PowerPoint for drawings...
I have exactly one album in iTunes (the U2-album you got for free).

And Macs are not overpriced. I've built PCs myself (totally done with that). I could never build a system like my MacMini 2012 for the same price, in the same form-factor, with the same power-consumption and thermal characteristics and have it work so well.
Even if I go to digitec now, there's various systems that match some of the characteristics - but they are not cheaper and never fully match my Mini.
And then I don't know if they're really absolutely silent until I buy one and use it.

The Windows-PCs that I would buy are never in shops (only business-class machines) and like-for-like, seldom cheaper than their Apple counterparts.

Same with the Retina iMac. Try building such a thing yourself for the price of the iMac.
The only thing that is cheaper in Windows-Land is gaming-PCs where you don't care about stability, noise and longevity of components (let's leave out the workstation-segment).
But that is of no interest to me. Never was. Never will.

Furthermore, the Apple Store is the only shop in town where people actually are taken serious and get advice without "assistants" trying to sell them a Cablecom subscription or give them the "stupid idiot, go back to your retirement-home"-treatment.
Do you think the 60+ crowd that regularly flocks there is all rich fanbois?

And besides, I really absolutely hate Windows. Ever have, since I first saw it (and that was long ago).
I ran Linux (and FreeBSD) for years at home (and still run Linux at work) - but it's not a system for the desktop (unless you don't need to connect any kind of peripherals besides mouse, keyboard and usb-drives and sound is of secondary importance, as well as mobile use in general - which is exactly my use-case at work).
Not sure if I could sync a non-Apple phone with a Linux-PC without using Google or a dozen different cloud-services (for bookmarks this, for contacts that, for calendar events something different), half of which wouldn't work half of the time because of some API-incompability in my particular version of some of libraries used...

Thing is, I didn't grow up with Windows. For me, Windows never was the "default". And it took me maybe one or two days to adjust from using X-Windows/KDE at home to using OS X.
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Me too, me too I need to get an ultra book for my wife. I think I will go with an Asus Ux305 as it only needs to be a portable word processor. Any other suggestions? A tablet would work apart from the fact she is technically illiterate, on her 3rd iPhone and finally discovered she can read emails on it,with the next one I hope she can learn to use the camera!
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there are many reasons why you might buy either machines but in terms of the NSA I would have thought that buying a PC or a Mac would mean supporting the NSA. Also the source code for Windows can be viewed by any country which I do not believe is the case of Darwin, or may be I am mistaken. Or do you think the NSA does not care about the Mac as less than 10% of the market use them ? thanks for the amusing coment.


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I think not everything is OSS.
http://9to5mac.com/2014/10/31/apple-...e-darwin-code/
But it's made up of various OSS-projects vs. more proprietary stuff in Windows.
And while the source of Windows can be reviewed, that is not the same as being OSS ;-)
As for the NSA, at least Apple has made sure the stuff on your device is secure by default (if you don't use iCloud) and the NSA actually needs to get to you to get it.

https://xkcd.com/538/

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Methinks the lady doth protest too much...
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