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Making a comment on a forum thread is not exactly 'focusing', is it?

Other people made similar comments to mine.
You have made similar comment in phone release and technology threads before, I just note that it seems to be a recurring theme that you like to re-raise and draw attention to while making thinly veiled comments about other people that do like to do such things. It seems to be your standard spiel.

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I like to read about the latest technology - that's why I read these threads and other sources. I don't need to buy it all though, do I?
No you of course do not need to buy it, and we thank you for repeatedly informing us about that in your consistently non-judgemental fashion.
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I don't like the trend of Samsung doing an Apple. I mean no removable battery and no option to increase storage. I was going to buy Note 5 but no removable battery was a deal breaker.
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You have made similar comment in phone release and technology threads before, I just note that it seems to be a recurring theme that you like to re-raise and draw attention to while making thinly veiled comments about other people that do like to do such things. It seems to be your standard spiel.
And you've started many threads about the latest technology - it seems to be your standard spiel - and criticised anyone who doesn't agree with everything you say.

This is a general interest forum (for Switzerland) - not a technology forum so any comments can go which are vaguely connected to the thread.

I promise I won't go and post again on your "slow -cooker" or "your" juicer threads, okay?
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I don't like the trend of Samsung doing an Apple. I mean no removable battery and no option to increase storage. I was going to buy Note 5 but no removable battery was a deal breaker.
I think the removable battery is dead. People needing more capacity now use an external battery pack.
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Old 23.02.2016, 16:52
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Re: The Android Beasts Thread 2016 Edition... With Extra ZOMG!

I wouldn't worry about batteries the samsung website clearly states:

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Stop waiting for your phone to charge. With fast wireless charging2, the Galaxy S7 powers up from 0 to 100% in no time.
What like instantaneous? Are they allowed to write rubbish like that??
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I think the removable battery is dead. People needing more capacity now use an external battery pack.
Agree with this, I would much prefer to have a slim and sealed design, and I always carry a small or large battery pack around with me.

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And you've started many threads about the latest technology - it seems to be your standard spiel - and criticised anyone who doesn't agree with everything you say.

This is a general interest forum (for Switzerland) - not a technology forum so any comments can go which are vaguely connected to the thread.

I promise I won't go and post again on your "slow -cooker" or "your" juicer threads, okay?
Ahh Tom, don't be so amusingly petty. I post relevant topics in relevantly labelled sections and you are of course free to post about anything you like in my threads or otherwise, it's a public forum after all, but don't be surprised if you get flack for the thinly-veiled insults you repeatedly dish out because of other people's lifestyle choices.

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Old 23.02.2016, 17:13
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Ahh Tom, you're such an amusingly petty man. I post relevant topics in relevantly labelled sections and you are of course free to post about anything you like in my threads or otherwise, it's a public forum after all, but don't be surprised if you get flack for the thinly-veiled insults you dish out because of other people's life choices. You generally seem to have about as much subtlety as a particularly large brick.
I think you misunderstand me. I'm not sure that you can believe that some people buy things because they need the particular features that that version of product offers and not just because it's the latest.
Sure I did that when I was a teenager but I just don't feel the need to know and I appreciate that you do and that you don't need to justify it.
I didn't realise you were so insecure about it.
Please remember that if you start a thread, any one replying to it isn't necessarily directing their comments at you.

However, in my defence, it does seem to be you alone that seems to start these threads on items that I can't imagine any 'real' use for - and that's why I question them.
Try not to take it personally.

If it's any consolation, the last two electronic products in the last few months I have purchased have been the latest models.

Anyway, back to the thread...
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Old 23.02.2016, 17:36
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I wouldn't worry about batteries the samsung website clearly states:

What like instantaneous? Are they allowed to write rubbish like that??
Would be interesting to see how quickly they do fast charge in reality...

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I think you misunderstand me. I'm not sure that you can believe that some people buy things because they need the particular features that that version of product offers and not just because it's the latest.
Sure I did that when I was a teenager but I just don't feel the need to know and I appreciate that you do and that you don't need to justify it.
I didn't realise you were so insecure about it.
Please remember that if you start a thread, any one replying to it isn't necessarily directing their comments at you.
I don't take it 'personally' (you're a random person on an internet forum lets keep all of this in context please) but I do generally find such undeserved judgemental comments that you throw around on other peoples lifestyle choices rather tiresome and worthy of calling out. The Fitbit thread was a prime example where you harped on past all logic and reason.

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However, in my defence, it does seem to be you alone that seems to start these threads on items that I can't imagine any 'real' use for - and that's why I question them. Try not to take it personally.
Tom, numerous other people start android and general tech and phone-related threads... as a search would show.

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If it's any consolation, the last two electronic products in the last few months I have purchased have been the latest models.

Anyway, back to the thread...
Indeed, I'll drop it now.

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Tom, numerous other people start android and general tech and phone-related threads... as a search would show.
not sure about the rest of the discussion, but I do enjoy such threads and come back to them even after I left Switzerland to check what people think about existing and new phones.

so thanks for this 2016 thread
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Re: The Android Beasts Thread 2016 Edition... With Extra ZOMG!

Side note:

If you're okay with last year's flagship, Mediamarkt has the Samsung Galaxy S6 for CHF 399.
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If your battery dies on a sealed phone or loses capacity over time the phone is useless, no?

So for me the replacable battery is not only about charging times. It is about not being forced to buy a new phone just because the battery has gone old after 2 years.
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Wel, I just pre-ordered an S7 from Media Markt... should be a decent upgrade to my S5!

I still think it'stight as hell that they don't provide 64GB as standard, considering how cheap flash memory is (and they produce it). Bah.

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If you're okay with last year's flagship, Mediamarkt has the Samsung Galaxy S6 for CHF 399.
I would have, if only it was water resistant... sadly too many of my phones have died from liquid damage to not have that feature as standard now.

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If your battery dies on a sealed phone or loses capacity over time the phone is useless, no?

So for me the replacable battery is not only about charging times. It is about not being forced to buy a new phone just because the battery has gone old after 2 years.
There will be ways to replace it after 2 years, I imagine.
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If your battery dies on a sealed phone or loses capacity over time the phone is useless, no?

So for me the replacable battery is not only about charging times. It is about not being forced to buy a new phone just because the battery has gone old after 2 years.
Well, the removable battery is for frequent changes. If you want to replace the battery when it is worn out, it is usually a very simple task to open it up and put in a replacement - or get a service centre to do it if you're not technically up to doing it yourself.
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If your battery dies on a sealed phone or loses capacity over time the phone is useless, no?

So for me the replacable battery is not only about charging times. It is about not being forced to buy a new phone just because the battery has gone old after 2 years.


Well I guess that's kinda the point.


If the cell phone manufacturers are appealing to the techies and early adopters, 2 years is a long life for the phone. Many electronics have a intended life of just under 2 years--no use spending money for components that last longer--in truth, many components are even designed to fail even earlier on purpose.


Of course this business plan ignores those whose just use the item for functionality (yes I know a lot of people as well who still use non-smart nokias :P ), but these people are not the key market for the manufacturer and they don't have a lot to gain from this demographic (spending more money to develop a phone that lasts longer etc.)


It does push consumerism, capitalism, over consumption, waste etc. but the optimists would argue that this pushes technology, and development as well as profits which push R&D further.
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If the cell phone manufacturers are appealing to the techies and early adopters, 2 years is a long life for the phone. Many electronics have a intended life of just under 2 years--no use spending money for components that last longer--in truth, many components are even designed to fail even earlier on purpose.


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Which components are designed to fail specifically within two years?
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I had a Note2 it was working perfectly fine then the battery went crazy. 5 minutes and after spending CHF15 I got an original Samsung battery and it was good as new. I continued using it another 6 months until it fell 6 stories down on concrete.

Funnily it was looking still good, no cracks or broken glass. Only the battery had a dent. It just kept switching off so I moved to another phone.

Point is that sending to service centre is hassle that I should not have to deal with. The phones are sealed for one reason only, greed. Make huge margins on extra storage and shepherd you to the next hot item when battery goes south.

I am quiet ok with tech but no one's sheep The design can be excellent with non sealed phones too.
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Which components are designed to fail specifically within two years?


Specifically, no I don't have an example on hand---just an example of flamboyant writing :P


However, if one dug deep enough, I'm sure something will come up:


Some portable defibrillators are specifically fail before two years---although that is more for safety reasoning. Similar situation with smoke and CO2 detectors


It is thought that new LED lightbulbs are also designed to fail earlier (however I have not found definite proof of this theory).


Many heat sensitive electronic components are specifically placed next to heat sinks in order purposely shorten their life span--although I didn't find an exact timescale documentation to specifically date their average lifespan to be exactly within two years---that's not data that is commonly shared.


18 month lifespan is a term thrown around quite frequently for the manufacturer's intended life for an electronic product---but the actual lifespan before failure will follow some sort of statistical distribution. The specifics of the dispersion/skewness/symmetry/head is of course going to vary by design--and also a close kept secret.
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I've worked on the design of consumer products including handheld devices and the design remit has never been for any component to fail within any time span.

Important considerations during the design phase for a product to be sold in the many thousands are: cheap to make but more importantly, cheap and easy to assemble, and to test.


The labour is where the cost savings are made and that's a big reason why manufacturers prefer built in batteries - there are simply less bits and assembly is cheaper and easier.

(another reason why assembly is in China and not Europe for example).

The components don't really come into this as a product spec will limit that actual choice of components quite severely. Specifically designed components will increase time to market but the hit for costs can be absorbed with the high volume.
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I've worked on the design of consumer products including handheld devices and the design remit has never been for any component to fail within any time span.

Important considerations during the design phase for a product to be sold in the many thousands are: cheap to make but more importantly, cheap and easy to assemble, and to test.


The labour is where the cost savings are made and that's a big reason why manufacturers prefer built in batteries - there are simply less bits and assembly is cheaper and easier.

(another reason why assembly is in China and not Europe for example).

The components don't really come into this as a product spec will limit that actual choice of components quite severely. Specifically designed components will increase time to market but the hit for costs can be absorbed with the high volume.


Well of course it might not be a widely standard industrial practice. And of course the argument of "I've never dealt with it" cannot support nor reject the null hypothesis.

But in my experience, lifespan is one of the key engineering considerations for any object, component or raw material. Specifically lifespan vs. costs.
This is even more important in the consumables market (a style that smart manufacturers are moving towards for consumer electronics).

A simple (lame) example: One could design a kelvar woven garbage bag that is resistant to tearing no matter how much you stomp garbage in it--but at the cost to develop and produce them--no significant market will buy them for single-use.
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I don't think thing are "designed to fail", but clearly there is only so much engineering and materials that can go into a product at a given price point, and the higher quality minerals are often too rare and expensive to use in everyday products. Some products are also subject to heavy stress and load, and thus it's also inevitable that failures can occur.

You are far more likely to break a phone before it fails naturally, given how much daily wear and tear they are subject to.
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