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Yet another day, another question.

so with the chromecast audio(s) what would be the optional speakers for home use ?

Bose sound Touch?
Bose Sound Link ?
Sonos ?
Any other ?
Since you already bought the Chromecast, it doesn't really matter - anything with an audio in socket will do :-)

I went down the Sony road (I have to SRS-X88 speakers with integrated Google Cast), but I'm not too happy. The audio is fine, but Chrome Cast integration is somewhat flaky. Just today, one of them stopped playing music from Google Home. It works fine if I cast directly from the Play Music app or Spotify on the phone, but while Home is saying that it's playing music, unfortunately, nothing happens on the speaker side. On the other one (the one in my office), things work perfectly fine. No idea what's going on.
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Old 16.12.2016, 12:35
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Re: Amazon Echo / Alexa

So a few weeks in: how have things been treating you?

I have three Google Home devices set up at this point. Everything has been working exceedingly well.

My setup at the moment:

- Samsung Smartthings for home automation. Works perfectly fine - I can now even open and close my garage door, turn on the heat in the fitness room etc. via Google Home :-) I've since retired my Philips Hue setup and can control all lighting via Smartthings and Google Home - has been working like a charm.

- Tado thermostats: work perfectly fine via IFTTT, I can set the temperature via Google Home. Not that I really do that because we have underfloor heating and it makes no sense to adjust the temperature all the time :-) There's no lag at all - they've integrated Google Home as a high-priority channel in IFTTT as it seems.

- Logitech Harmony: works perfectly fine as well. Google Home will let me turn on the TV, Netflix etc.

Yesterday, Google has added a ton of functionality - now you can control Netflix (e.g. say: "play The Crown from Netflix on the Family Room TV") as long as you have a Chromecast hooked up to the TV. Google Cast, unfortunately, doesn't seem to be supported for Netflix at the moment. Also, they've added Todoist (my to do list of choice) support, as well as some 29 other services, including Headspace, some recipe collection, a virtual bartender and so on. Everything works great. What's funny here: the add-ons can have their own voices. Todoist has a male voice, for example, as does the bartender, while I've set up Home with a female voice.

Next on my shopping list: two Chromecast Ultra dongles so I can use the Netflix integration. The Ultra version comes with a built-in Ethernet port - which is great, as I don't have high-power WiFi at home.

I'm still extremely thrilled with the Google Home - by far the best gadget I've bought in years.

If you're serious about home automation, I'd recommend importing a Smartthings hub from the UK - that works so well together with Home, it's almost scary.
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Old 18.12.2016, 16:03
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Re: Amazon Echo / Alexa

Is anyone using any smart underfloor heating valves.

Our place is a bit interesting in that whilst the ground floor and first floor does have underfloor heating, the ground floor has no thermostatically controlled valves and relies on manual valves to control rate.

In an effort to try and reduce our energy footprint (and heating costs - you can almost watch the oil level go down in the tank), I want to change these for valves linked to thermostats.
The boiler does actually drop the temperature down at night 5'C and this only drops the actual room temperature down by 1'C so that's a saving already.

Has anyone else bought any and if so, what?

They could actually be wired ones rather than wireless as there's a straightforward run from their location to mission control where all the other stuff is.
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Is anyone using any smart underfloor heating valves.

Our place is a bit interesting in that whilst the ground floor and first floor does have underfloor heating, the ground floor has no thermostatically controlled valves and relies on manual valves to control rate.

In an effort to try and reduce our energy footprint (and heating costs - you can almost watch the oil level go down in the tank), I want to change these for valves linked to thermostats.
The boiler does actually drop the temperature down at night 5'C and this only drops the actual room temperature down by 1'C so that's a saving already.

Has anyone else bought any and if so, what?

They could actually be wired ones rather than wireless as there's a straightforward run from their location to mission control where all the other stuff is.
We're using Tado for underfloor heating. We already had "dumb" thermostats in every room and replaced those with Tado thermostats that are now directly wired to the valves in the boiler room.

But to be honest, for underfloor heating systems, there really isn't much you can get out in terms of energy saving. Reducing the heat at night is quite pointless as water temperature changes take hours to take effect for underfloor heating.

If you're looking for more convenience in terms of heating control, there are two basic approaches you could pursue:

1. Get a smart thermostat in every room and get it wired to motorised valves in the boiler room. Not cheap, but offers the highest degree of freedom as the heat for each room can be controlled individually. As far as I know, the only mainstream system that supports multiple zones etc. is Tado. They also have wireless bridges if you don't want to pull cables from the thermostat to the valves (which can be very expensive). Tado is a European company geared at European heating solutions.

2. Get something like Nest or Netatmo (or Tado - they also offer that functionality) to directly control your furnace. This will mean you get one central thermostat installed and the furnace itself is controlled, not the valves. However, your existing heating system has to be compatible with that. Sounds like yours is fairly ancient, so this could be an issue.


For us, Tado has worked very well. Except that we occasionally have to switch out the batteries in the thermostats, it's been seamless and flawless. We also have our air conditioners controlled via Tado. Plus the solution integrates well with IFTTT.
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Old 18.12.2016, 18:23
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We're using Tado for underfloor heating. We already had "dumb" thermostats in every room and replaced those with Tado thermostats that are now directly wired to the valves in the boiler room.

But to be honest, for underfloor heating systems, there really isn't much you can get out in terms of energy saving. Reducing the heat at night is quite pointless as water temperature changes take hours to take effect for underfloor heating.

If you're looking for more convenience in terms of heating control, there are two basic approaches you could pursue:

1. Get a smart thermostat in every room and get it wired to motorised valves in the boiler room. Not cheap, but offers the highest degree of freedom as the heat for each room can be controlled individually. As far as I know, the only mainstream system that supports multiple zones etc. is Tado. They also have wireless bridges if you don't want to pull cables from the thermostat to the valves (which can be very expensive). Tado is a European company geared at European heating solutions.

2. Get something like Nest or Netatmo (or Tado - they also offer that functionality) to directly control your furnace. This will mean you get one central thermostat installed and the furnace itself is controlled, not the valves. However, your existing heating system has to be compatible with that. Sounds like yours is fairly ancient, so this could be an issue.


For us, Tado has worked very well. Except that we occasionally have to switch out the batteries in the thermostats, it's been seamless and flawless. We also have our air conditioners controlled via Tado. Plus the solution integrates well with IFTTT.
The boiler is only two years old. The underfloor heating is ten years old.

I just need motorised valves as I'm fitting thermometers in every room and I'll writes some rules in Openhab to control them (as you say, they won't be doing much).

So I guess what I actually need is normal motorised valves and a relay board to switch them. The rest is just code.

It's just got much cheaper!
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In the end, I see myself buying Google Home, Chromecast, Philips Hue kit and bulbs, some nice speakers, several subscriptions to streaming apps, maybe an echo dot, to try it out (Already have several Chromecast audios)

So do we (Googlers) need another thread ?
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I'm undecided as to what to get. I've never been an impulse buyer so I'm going to wait a bit and see what develops.
I've got lots to do already but it's too damn cold to finish wiring up some of the unheated parts of our place.


Perhaps we just a Home Automation thread (or rename this one).
There's lots of good stuff there out on the web but a thread with a Swiss slant (suppliers of devices, region coding etc, plug types etc is definitely worth a thread here).
http://www.englishforum.ch/housing-g...itzerland.html
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Nest does use Google Maps - they have just disabled Switzerland on it :-) Nest is only sold in a handful of countries (Belgium, the Netherlands, the UK, France etc.), yet all of Europe is available for the Home & Away feature - all of Europe except for Switzerland. I've asked support about why this is and the answer I got was, essentially: don't know, don't care.

Perhaps they're holding a grudge against Switzerland because Zurich has become increasingly hesitant to giving Google tax incentives lately.

Google has now removed the Nexus devices from their Swiss online shop as well - but according to some comments I read yesterday, there are no plans to make the new devices (including the new phones) available in Switzerland at all. They're following the same roll-out scheme as with Nest: UK, France, Benelux. Germany will follow in November, so we could at least import them from there :-)

It's the same for Amazon Echo in that you need to set a German postcode, Swiss addresses are not accepted. At least the weather forecast can be reasonably accurate if set to Konstanz. Apple have even kept Alexa out of the Swiss App Store....
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I do know what needs doing.

It's a pretty ugly solution. I could do without any more adaptors.


Well at least they come cheap these days. I got a 10 pack for $7..


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Logitech Harmony and IFTTT don't work yet for the UK version. The European versions seems to lag behind a bit in terms of functionality. Weather-wise I'm good as I live 2 km from Constance, but yeah, commute info doesn't work (which is a non-issue in Thurgau :-)

Recognition gradually improves if you take the time to review the questions / answers on alexa.amazon.co.uk once in a while. By now, it understands about 95% of what I say and it even understands my 4-year-old son (which sucks as he keeps adding candy to the shopping list and is favourite song is "We will rock you" by Queen (which is a great song, but I've heard it about 50 times over the last 2 weeks ...)

We own 2 Echos and 6 Dots now (they had a sale for the 6-pack :-/ - I have 5 of them in use. The only gripe I have is that they're regular ray-guns in terms of EM-radiation (which I'm trying to keep in check because we have two small children at home). So I moved the one in the living room to a remote corner and removed the one in my wife's office (where the kids spend most of their time playing). Don't know why, but they don't seem to support wifi output throttling - they constantly transmit at 100mw, so it's like putting a Wifi access point in every room and running it at full transmit power.

Does the Amazon Echo purchased in the US work in Switzerland? I was told that I'd have to buy one from Amazon UK; then when I submit a Swiss address, they state they won't ship it to Switzerland. I am in the US and have one I can mail from here, if it will work in Switzerland, that I want to send to family in Zurich.
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Have spent a couple weeks with Echo dot.....

Localisation issues are a) that I have to ask the weather in Zürich, rather than just asking the weather (it would report my uk address), and b) that it cannot give me information about my daily commute traffic conditions

Voice recognition seems to be about on a par with Siri, which is to say, it probably recognises between 6 and 8 of my requests out of every 10 made. Of course, not amazing, but not bad considering some requests can be on the complicated side.

On the plus side, when it works, it's great.

The standout feature so far is Spotify control. Ask it to play songs or a specific song from Abba, and you'll be a dancing queen before you know it.

Second up for me is another music feature, which is tunein radio. I simply say, play bbc radio 2 and it is playing two seconds later. That is great.

Third thing I use is asking it the news when I wake up, and you can get a five minute briefing from wherever you want, I have the standard American one and BBC. This is read out in a newscasters voice, not in the robot voice of Alexa.

It can also work my Philips Hue lights (though Siri seems to do a better job)

Another thing with promise is it takes over my Logitech harmony remote, so I can tell it to switch on the TV and it will (based on my complicated harmony setup).

Apart from that, it has a fairly large supply of cheesy jokes if you ask it for one, and if you ask for example what year was jurassic park released or who starred in it, it does a pretty good job.

Many other things too, but that is what comes to mind.

I now have one for each floor of my house, and a blutooth speaker attached to the living floor one so that I can listen to the radio in the kitchen.

I'm looking forward to google home, but echo dot is a great thing for £50 and to be recommended.

Is your Echo Dot originally from the US or from the UK? Do ones from the US work in Switzerland (just with a plug adapter)?
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Does the Amazon Echo purchased in the US work in Switzerland? I was told that I'd have to buy one from Amazon UK; then when I submit a Swiss address, they state they won't ship it to Switzerland. I am in the US and have one I can mail from here, if it will work in Switzerland, that I want to send to family in Zurich.


Yes a U.S sourced Echo works in Zurich, in fact it works better than a UK Sourced one. If you register it to an Amazon.com account ( you don't need to sign up from Amazon Prime ) then you will get all the 5,000 Alexa Skills available in the U.S. That includes Lightify, Logitech Harmony, IFTTT etc.
The Echo does not care where it's physically installed, just which Amazon domain it's registered to..... You don't need to set up a VPN, which you do need for Amazon Fire TV to play U.S. Content


Amazon.co.uk and Amazon.de both currently have a very limited set of Alexa Skills available.
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Re: Amazon Echo / Alexa

I thought this forum might be interested in the following story..


https://www.engadget.com/2016/12/14/...s-vegas-hotel/


I am sure Steve Wynn paid no more than $50 each for those Echos....
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Is your Echo Dot originally from the US or from the UK? Do ones from the US work in Switzerland (just with a plug adapter)?
Mine is from the UK
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Yes a U.S sourced Echo works in Zurich, in fact it works better than a UK Sourced one. If you register it to an Amazon.com account ( you don't need to sign up from Amazon Prime ) then you will get all the 5,000 Alexa Skills available in the U.S. That includes Lightify, Logitech Harmony, IFTTT etc.
The Echo does not care where it's physically installed, just which Amazon domain it's registered to..... You don't need to set up a VPN, which you do need for Amazon Fire TV to play U.S. Content


Amazon.co.uk and Amazon.de both currently have a very limited set of Alexa Skills available.
so can you register a UK bought device to the US site?
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so can you register a UK bought device to the US site?


Yes but you have to deregister it from Amazon.co.uk first.


Of course if you want to transfer any content over from UK to US Accounts , that's tricky . You have to call them to ask for that.


I kept my US account as it had Kindle / Audible Sync long before the UK had that
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Alexa, lights! How I turned my home into a sci-fi dream


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http://www.theverge.com/ces/2017/1/4...gs-at-ces-2017

looks like Alexa is winning the war. I'm just a bit worried about the way Amazon is going about the whole thing, e.g. skills only working in specific countries etc.
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https://support.getmyfox.com/hc/en-u...-Amazon-Alexa-

seems like Alexa also supports my new alarm system (had to move away from Swisscom Smartlife as Swisscom has decided to pull the plug on it). Not sure it's smart to enable it, though - if I can disable the alarm and the camera by asking Alexa to do so, so can any burglar.
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seems like Alexa also supports my new alarm system (had to move away from Swisscom Smartlife as Swisscom has decided to pull the plug on it). Not sure it's smart to enable it, though - if I can disable the alarm and the camera by asking Alexa to do so, so can any burglar.
When I get an Alexa (one ordered) I'm going to use it to arm an alarm and security monitoring. But it won't be able to disarm it. I'm using a finger-print scanner to do that.
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seems like Alexa also supports my new alarm system (had to move away from Swisscom Smartlife as Swisscom has decided to pull the plug on it). Not sure it's smart to enable it, though - if I can disable the alarm and the camera by asking Alexa to do so, so can any burglar.
I looked at your link - you need to enter a pass code (by voice) to disarm it.
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