Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > TV/internet/telephone  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 28.01.2017, 15:16
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Zürich
Posts: 18
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post
sguft has no particular reputation at present
Home Cable Wiring

I am renting an apartment (Zürich area) and need to draw a LAN cable between 2 rooms (with a room between). I had fiber installed at some point and there I noticed that there are already some tubes in the wall connecting the 2 rooms.
However, I don't have the necessary tools myself to pull such a cable through and would prefer to have this done by a profi.

Questions:
1) I would like to add a new wall-socket in the living room or perhaps modify the existing one I have for cable-TV to add a LAN plug. Do I need a permission for this when the apartment is rented?

2) Does anyone know of companies who do this (preferably around Zürich)? Do I need a specialized company - like the guys the tele-companies use for installation or would a normal electrician be able to perform such an installation too?

Thanks
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 28.01.2017, 15:21
Dragon5's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Bubikon
Posts: 167
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 145 Times in 72 Posts
Dragon5 has earned some respectDragon5 has earned some respect
Re: Home Cable Wiring

Hi sguft

An alternative is to get a pair of powerline adapters. You can get them from most internet electonic outlets or pick up a cheap set from Ricardo.

Price depends on the speed you need. Brands, D-link, Devolo ...
Later on, you can always add more in other rooms, if needed.

Then when you move out, there's nothing which needs restoring.

Good lanning

Eample
https://www.ricardo.ch/kaufen/comput...v/an881637046/
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 28.01.2017, 15:31
JagWaugh's Avatar
RIP
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Eglisau
Posts: 7,273
Groaned at 47 Times in 46 Posts
Thanked 14,131 Times in 5,506 Posts
JagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Home Cable Wiring

It's been a while since I was a renter, but...
With a rental you generally ask for permission. You pay for the install yourself, and you usually have to pay to have it removed and the installation returned to the way it was (It's silly, but that is how it used to be.)

You can't mix power and signal inside the same conduit (not according to the code), so unless the tube you are thinking of has no power in it then fugeddaboudit.

To have someone come and install it, rough guess, 150+CHF/end for the Ethernet UP dose, and cable & labour to install (i.e. north of 500CHF).

Consider a wireless repeater, or a Powerline adapter.
__________________
If everyone you know agrees with you consistently, they are either not listening, or not capable of critical thought.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 28.01.2017, 15:32
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Zürich
Posts: 18
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post
sguft has no particular reputation at present
Re: Home Cable Wiring

Thanks a lot, I already did so.

I bought a Zyxel PLA5456 Starter Kit (1800Mbit/s), however they could only deliver 250 Mbit speed (I would prefer ~1 Gbit) and also stability was not satisfying with relatively high packet loss - I had to restart them every other day and they got quite warm as well.

I also tried with a better wireless router, but basically same story - it's just not fast and stable enough. So although it's a bit more trouble, I think it is really worth it to get a good old cable installed instead, but thanks for the suggestion :-)

@JagWaugh: Thanks, in this case it would be the same conduit the fiber guys used for the fiber cable, so I guess this should be okay. Do you know of companies who perform such installations, I would consider ~500 CHF.

Last edited by sguft; 28.01.2017 at 15:49.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 28.01.2017, 15:55
JagWaugh's Avatar
RIP
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Eglisau
Posts: 7,273
Groaned at 47 Times in 46 Posts
Thanked 14,131 Times in 5,506 Posts
JagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Home Cable Wiring

Quote:
View Post
...
@JagWaugh: Thanks, in this case it would be the same conduit the fiber guys used for the fiber cable, so I guess this should be okay. Do you know of companies who perform such installations, I would consider ~500 CHF.
Any electrician can do it.

In your place I would just go to the Jumbo/doit/hobby, get a fish and pull a wire in myself. Conrad an Pusterla sell cable, crimpers, and ends if the existing conduit is too small to get an RJ45 through (I had them install larger tubing for the multimedia when my apt was built - at a pinch you can pull an RJ45 plug through a 22mm conduit, and with 25 it's a doddle).
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 28.01.2017, 20:05
AbFab's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Zürich
Posts: 7,844
Groaned at 330 Times in 224 Posts
Thanked 10,929 Times in 3,800 Posts
AbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Home Cable Wiring

Check your skirting boards. If you have a modern flat, you may be able to unscrew these from the wall and find a channel in the back of board to accommodate cables...
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 29.01.2017, 03:19
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 11,508
Groaned at 184 Times in 152 Posts
Thanked 12,928 Times in 6,760 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Home Cable Wiring

Quote:
View Post
Check your skirting boards. If you have a modern flat, you may be able to unscrew these from the wall and find a channel in the back of board to accommodate cables...
He can also replace his with those. But he wants to go through an other room so that would mean drilling a whole through two walls. Which I did once and would still do but this time it would have meant going through a ceiling plus the floor heating .... so I decided to stick to power-line adapters this time.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank curley for this useful post:
  #8  
Old 29.01.2017, 12:46
robBob's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Zurich
Posts: 2,419
Groaned at 45 Times in 32 Posts
Thanked 2,154 Times in 1,169 Posts
robBob has a reputation beyond reputerobBob has a reputation beyond reputerobBob has a reputation beyond reputerobBob has a reputation beyond reputerobBob has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Home Cable Wiring

If your not using your telephone line installation (i.e. telephone via cable provider) you can use that wire as an extension. Otherwise try power line (have good experiences with Devolo (Zyxel not so good))
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 29.01.2017, 13:56
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 11,508
Groaned at 184 Times in 152 Posts
Thanked 12,928 Times in 6,760 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Home Cable Wiring

Quote:
View Post
If your not using your telephone line installation (i.e. telephone via cable provider) you can use that wire as an extension. Otherwise try power line (have good experiences with Devolo (Zyxel not so good))
Interesting, could you give more details on that?
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 29.01.2017, 18:01
robBob's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Zurich
Posts: 2,419
Groaned at 45 Times in 32 Posts
Thanked 2,154 Times in 1,169 Posts
robBob has a reputation beyond reputerobBob has a reputation beyond reputerobBob has a reputation beyond reputerobBob has a reputation beyond reputerobBob has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Home Cable Wiring

Quote:
View Post
Interesting, could you give more details on that?
All one needs is the copper and the right connector: http://www.conrad.ch/ce/de/product/9...f=searchDetail
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 29.01.2017, 18:42
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 11,508
Groaned at 184 Times in 152 Posts
Thanked 12,928 Times in 6,760 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Home Cable Wiring

Quote:
View Post
All one needs is the copper and the right connector: http://www.conrad.ch/ce/de/product/9...f=searchDetail
So I crimp a RJ45 plug to the telephon wire (copper) in the phone phonejack? Then use the item you linked.
And – as I have cablecom – the same thing downstairs. And my phoneline will „know“ what I want it to do?!
And where does my router go? Between the cablecom modem and the phonejack downstairs or after the phonejack upstairs? Latter be better as wlan is not as good/stable from downstairs as I want/need it to be.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 29.01.2017, 18:48
JagWaugh's Avatar
RIP
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Eglisau
Posts: 7,273
Groaned at 47 Times in 46 Posts
Thanked 14,131 Times in 5,506 Posts
JagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Home Cable Wiring

Quote:
View Post
So I crimp a RJ45 plug to the telephon wire (copper) in the phone phonejack? Then use the item you linked.
And – as I have cablecom – the same thing downstairs. And my phoneline will „know“ what I want it to do?!
And where does my router go? Between the cablecom modem and the phonejack downstairs or after the phonejack upstairs? Latter be better as wlan is not as good/stable from downstairs as I want/need it to be.
As always, the answer is: "It depends."
Unless the place has been cabled for ISDN (and even then) you probably just have a single pair of wires at each telephone jack. You won't be able to run Ethernet on a single pair by just changing the connectors.

Can you post a pic of the existing phone jack? Take the jack out of the wall so we can see the back of it.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 29.01.2017, 18:55
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 11,508
Groaned at 184 Times in 152 Posts
Thanked 12,928 Times in 6,760 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Home Cable Wiring

Quote:
View Post
As always, the answer is: "It depends."
Unless the place has been cabled for ISDN (and even then) you probably just have a single pair of wires at each telephone jack. You won't be able to run Ethernet on a single pair by just changing the connectors.

Can you post a pic of the existing phone jack? Take the jack out of the wall so we can see the back of it.
I guess layout is only analog. It's even possible that downstairs is analog and upstairs is IDSN (crazy flat, I know). But I'll try to get the jacks off without ruining the walls - tomorrow, when daylight is back.
Oh, and phone has 24V (which will not be turned off by taking the fuses out - that was the whole point of those phones, they will always work) and I'll survive those easaly if I mess up, right? (Or are you trying to get rid of me LOL).
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 29.01.2017, 19:05
JagWaugh's Avatar
RIP
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Eglisau
Posts: 7,273
Groaned at 47 Times in 46 Posts
Thanked 14,131 Times in 5,506 Posts
JagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Home Cable Wiring

Quote:
View Post
I guess layout is only analog. It's even possible that downstairs is analog and upstairs is IDSN (crazy flat, I know). But I'll try to get the jacks off without ruining the walls - tomorrow, when daylight is back.
Oh, and phone has 24V (which will not be turned off by taking the fuses out - that was the whole point of those phones, they will always work) and I'll survive those easaly if I mess up, right? (Or are you trying to get rid of me LOL).
You won't notice 24V unless you lick it. An ISDN "ring" has 75V, which will make you jump if you're touching the terminals when it rings. Obviously you need to be careful not to short anything out with your screwdriver, but you're OK from a personal safety standpoint.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 29.01.2017, 19:18
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 11,508
Groaned at 184 Times in 152 Posts
Thanked 12,928 Times in 6,760 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Home Cable Wiring

Quote:
View Post
You won't notice 24V unless you lick it. An ISDN "ring" has 75V, which will make you jump if you're touching the terminals when it rings. Obviously you need to be careful not to short anything out with your screwdriver, but you're OK from a personal safety standpoint.
not planing on licking it - and don't usually stick my tongue out when I concentrate on something either like some people do - and as I don't have a number on those jacks anymore, it won't ring either. So the usual precautions are enough it seems. I'll be back when I got photos .... if I'm not back, ah well ....
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 30.01.2017, 14:20
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 11,508
Groaned at 184 Times in 152 Posts
Thanked 12,928 Times in 6,760 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Home Cable Wiring

Done a little thinking last night.....
It was said here I could run the LAN-signal (cablecom) via the classic phoneline within my flat (from room to room).

I've come to the conclusion that it would be a clean solution to have a DSL-jack (dd) in both rooms involved. Problem No. 1: Downstairs I would need one of those on top of the wall (Aufputzsteckdose), I did not find that version of DSL-jack (dd) anywhere?

This plug robBob suggested is only usable after the DSL-jack (dd) is installed.

If Swissccom stops ADSL phone .... and has already or will stop analog phone: Who needs a phone-jack?! Nobody will ever want to plug in a Reichle DeMassari phone-plug ever again? On the other hand the jack I suggested above would cover that – which as a renter would probably be the best solution, no hassle when leaving.

The installation here is definitely analog. Does that mean I would have performance loss internet-wise? I seem to remember that one time when I had ISDN installed in a flat, the guy pulled different cables? (Keep in mind that I will actually be sending cablecom signals through it all).

Bear with me as my electricity knowledge is minimal (is there a smaller description of minimal? ) so I need to figure these things out by a lot of thinking and basic logic. Because of that I did not open my phone-jacks yet as it would probably better to have them replaced by a pro as I expect to find either one stiff copper wire or an endless amount of fine copper wires – I wouldn't know how to install them to a DSL-jack.

Now that I've probably puzzled everybody, I try to place the questions I have simpler:

1. Installing those DSL jacks (by a electrician, can't be THAT expensive?)
2. robBobs plug serves as two-way-adapter on the new jacks (should I decide I need that)
3. Go from modem downstairs into the new DSL wall jack downstairs – go from new DSL wall jack upstairs into the router upstairs.

Would that be basically correct? What am I missing here, if anything?
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 30.01.2017, 14:36
JagWaugh's Avatar
RIP
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Eglisau
Posts: 7,273
Groaned at 47 Times in 46 Posts
Thanked 14,131 Times in 5,506 Posts
JagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Home Cable Wiring

Quote:
View Post
Done a little thinking last night.....
It was said here I could run the LAN-signal (cablecom) via the classic phoneline within my flat (from room to room).

I've come to the conclusion that it would be a clean solution to have a DSL-jack (dd) in both rooms involved. Problem No. 1: Downstairs I would need one of those on top of the wall (Aufputzsteckdose), I did not find that version of DSL-jack (dd) anywhere?

This plug robBob suggested is only usable after the DSL-jack (dd) is installed.

If Swissccom stops ADSL phone .... and has already or will stop analog phone: Who needs a phone-jack?! Nobody will ever want to plug in a Reichle DeMassari phone-plug ever again? On the other hand the jack I suggested above would cover that – which as a renter would probably be the best solution, no hassle when leaving.

The installation here is definitely analog. Does that mean I would have performance loss internet-wise? I seem to remember that one time when I had ISDN installed in a flat, the guy pulled different cables? (Keep in mind that I will actually be sending cablecom signals through it all).

Bear with me as my electricity knowledge is minimal (is there a smaller description of minimal? ) so I need to figure these things out by a lot of thinking and basic logic. Because of that I did not open my phone-jacks yet as it would probably better to have them replaced by a pro as I expect to find either one stiff copper wire or an endless amount of fine copper wires – I wouldn't know how to install them to a DSL-jack.

Now that I've probably puzzled everybody, I try to place the questions I have simpler:

1. Installing those DSL jacks (by a electrician, can't be THAT expensive?)
2. robBobs plug serves as two-way-adapter on the new jacks (should I decide I need that)
3. Go from modem downstairs into the new DSL wall jack downstairs – go from new DSL wall jack upstairs into the router upstairs.

Would that be basically correct? What am I missing here, if anything?
Curley,

The issue isn't so much the jacks (they are just connectors with different shapes), the real issue is what kind of cable is used to connect the two jacks.

If you've got wiring which is just a single twisted pair then you won't be able to run Ethernet over it (without doing a lot of expensive and propellorhead things). If you call an electrician he will advise you (I would have him install cat5 cable and jacks).
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 30.01.2017, 15:50
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: CH
Posts: 10,918
Groaned at 2,041 Times in 1,124 Posts
Thanked 5,139 Times in 3,246 Posts
omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat
Re: Home Cable Wiring

Theoretically you should get permission if you start boring holes everywhere. Practically speaking bore your holes. But when you leave the apartment they will bill you for such things.Better ask the owner or rental agency.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 30.01.2017, 16:36
de Nazare's Avatar
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Zürich
Posts: 19
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
de Nazare has no particular reputation at present
Re: Home Cable Wiring

There is this Wireless gadgets which can be bought at the Media Markt or in Interdiscount.


You should try these.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 30.01.2017, 17:24
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: CH
Posts: 10,918
Groaned at 2,041 Times in 1,124 Posts
Thanked 5,139 Times in 3,246 Posts
omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat
Re: Home Cable Wiring

Is there?
Quote:
View Post
There is this Wireless gadgets which can be bought at the Media Markt or in Interdiscount.


You should try these.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank omtatsat for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Cable ferret required - Re-site cable wall socket Nutz TV/internet/telephone 11 14.08.2013 14:25
Cablecom physical cable split/shared with cable for Satellite TV Jonathan_hughes76 TV/internet/telephone 4 21.04.2012 10:25
Controlling the Home Theatre Cable Monster Ed Pummelon TV/internet/telephone 6 19.12.2008 14:11


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 15:01.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0