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Just as a side note and in their defense, they do have to send out 3.6 million invoices so i guess a few errors could be considered normale
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True.
Plus fact is: So far Serafe has not made any mistakes. The mistakes that happened were up until now all due to them receiving false address-lists. From the authorities, nota bene!
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I thought normal was no mistakes in Switzerland.
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you can thank the swiss for this serafe mafia
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Re: Bye bye Billag [Welcome our new overlord Serafe]

Have to laugh at the butthurt caused by 365 measly chuffs. As for the address data quality issues. If you have a way to keep an up to date, 100% accurate address database, then you should really look at selling that service.
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you can thank the swiss for this serafe mafia
Another insightful, thoughtful post from you, omtatsat.

Yes, obviously you can thank the Swiss for Serafe, the Swiss company charged with collecting from the Swiss the Swiss fee that the Swiss electorate voted for to pay for Swiss infrastructure and Swiss entertainment broadcasts for Swiss residents. I don't see the Germans being responsible, or the Russians, or the Chinese.

Serafe is the company appointed to collect the fee. That's it. They're not responsible for the fee being implemented. You may have noticed that the new fee is considerably lower than the old one that was collected by Billag. Unless you avoided your legal responsibility to pay the Billag fee in the past, one would have thought you'd be delighted to welcome the new, lower fee and would pay Serafe without hesitation.

If you want an example of mafia tactics, look no further than the doorstep bullying practised by Billag. With Serafe, those days are gone.
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You may have noticed that the new fee is considerably lower than the old one that was collected by Billag.
Yet many think it is still 365 francs too high.
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Old 18.01.2019, 12:22
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you can thank the swiss for this serafe mafia
Like you can thank the Swiss for absolutely everything in this country.
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Old 18.01.2019, 13:04
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Like you can thank the Swiss for absolutely everything in this country.
Indeed. My point precisely.

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Are Serafe billing 365/12 = CHF 30.41 per month, instead of 365/365 = CHF 1 per day, the charge indicated on their website?

Surely Group 3 households are not being charged (2 x 30.41) = CHF 60.82 for Jan + Feb 2019, instead of (31 + 28) = CHF 59? If they are, the excess of CHF 1.82, multiplied by (3,600,000/12) = 300,000 Group 3 households, would make a tidy excess charge of CHF 546,000.

Can any Group 3 householder confirm what bill they received for Jan + Feb?
In this photo in today's "24 heures" I can see that the sum on a Serafe payment slip is CHF 60.85, so presumably that is what they are billing Group 3 households for Jan + Feb, instead of CHF 59 at CHF 1 per day. So the excess charge for the 300,000 households in that group actually totals CHF 555,000.

If Serafe are billing the 300,000 Group 4 households 3 x 30.41 = CHF 91.23 for Jan + Feb + Mar instead of (31 + 28 + 31) = 90 x 1 = CHF 90, there is also an excess charge of 1.23 x 300,000 = CHF 369,000 for that group. Even more if they round up to CHF 91.25, and still CHF 360,000 excess if they round down to CHF 91.20.

Then if they bill Group 5 households CHF 121.65 for Jan + Feb + Mar + Apr instead of (31 + 28 + 31 + 30) = 120 x 1 = CHF 120, there is an excess charge of CHF 495,000 for that group. A further CHF 450,000 excess for Group 6 if they bill 365/2 = CHF 182.50 instead of (31 + 28 + 31 + 30 + 31 + 30) = CHF 181, etc.

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In this photo in today's "24 heures" I can see that the sum on a Serafe payment slip is CHF 60.85, so presumably that is what they are billing Group 3 households for Jan + Feb, instead of CHF 59 at CHF 1 per day. So the excess charge for the 300,000 households in that group actually totals CHF 555,000.

If Serafe are billing the 300,000 Group 4 households 3 x 30.41 = CHF 91.23 for Jan + Feb + Mar instead of (31 + 28 + 31) = 90 x 1 = CHF 90, there is also an excess charge of 1.23 x 300,000 = CHF 369,000 for that group. Even more if they round up to CHF 91.25, and still CHF 360,000 excess if they round down to CHF 91.20.

Then if they bill Group 5 households CHF 121.65 for Jan + Feb + Mar + Apr instead of (31 + 28 + 31 + 30) = 120 x 1 = CHF 120, there is an excess charge of CHF 495,000 for that group. A further CHF 450,000 excess for Group 6 if they bill 365/2 = CHF 182.50 instead of (31 + 28 + 31 + 30 + 31 + 30) = CHF 181, etc.
I didn't go through all your calculations but to me it is simple: I pay the first bill. When I get the one for the rest of the year, I take the first payment off from Fr. 365.00 and pay that. If that buggers up their book-keeping because their calculation was different I don't care.
Thank dog for e-banking: You can change any payment-slip to your liking.

I still don't see the reason for all the bashing Serafe (habit left over from Billag? Unfair). The mistakes so far were addresses and mainly members of household, clearly a mistake of the communities which are the sole possibility for Serafe to even get this information.
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Indeed. My point precisely.

I look forward to omtatsat's next pearl of wisdom.



I think you may need to wait a long time.......
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In this photo in today's "24 heures" I can see that the sum on a Serafe payment slip is CHF 60.85, so presumably that is what they are billing Group 3 households for Jan + Feb, instead of CHF 59 at CHF 1 per day. So the excess charge for the 300,000 households in that group actually totals CHF 555,000.
The second bill covers a full year. For all groups except group 1 that second bill will cover 366 days, yet the bill will be for 365.- anyway. Why?

Once you have the answer you'll realise that your number crunching was an utter waste of time.
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The second bill covers a full year. For all groups except group 1 that second bill will cover 366 days, yet the bill will be for 365.- anyway. Why?
Thanks for that information, Urs Max. Since Serafe have billed CHF 60.85 instead of CHF 59 for 1 Jan - 28 Feb, why would they then send a bill for CHF 365 to cover 366 days? Is the extra day (worth CHF 1) supposed to partially compensate the CHF 1.85 overcharge of the first bill?
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Like you can thank the Swiss for absolutely everything in this country.
Given that around a quarter of the resident population are not Swiss, I doubt that very much. And that is before you consider the foreigners who have lived and worked here and emigrated again.
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Re: Bye bye Billag [Welcome our new overlord Serafe]

I only paid for radio at Billag time, now I need to pay more. It seems nothing can be argued by reading through this thread.

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Strange: searching "Serafe" does not get any result.
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Re: Bye bye Billag [Welcome our new overlord Serafe]

We didn't even pay that. Billag was not compulsory. If you had no devices you didn't have to pay. Serafe is different in that respect. Whether you have devices will no longer be looked at after an initial transition period where you can still be exempted.
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The second bill covers a full year. For all groups except group 1 that second bill will cover 366 days, yet the bill will be for 365.- anyway. Why?

Once you have the answer you'll realise that your number crunching was an utter waste of time.
Yes of course it does. LOL, this thread got me all dizzy.

They devide it by 12. I pay Fr. 30.40 for January. In February I get the yearly bill.
For the cheapskates: I even got 1.66666.... Rappen discount for this January.
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We didn't even pay that. Billag was not compulsory. If you had no devices you didn't have to pay. Serafe is different in that respect. Whether you have devices will no longer be looked at after an initial transition period where you can still be exempted.

Very few people will be exempted, like it or not, we all benefit from the TV and radio as it is here important announcements will be made in the event of natural disasters (think Earthquake, Basel, 1356) whether we all watch it is not really the question.


It is part of the identity of a country (think BBC & UK)


The tax with Bilag was around Chf 450.-- per year, a democratic vote was held and the result was every household pays a reduced rate of Chf 365.--


Apart from a very few people, we can all receive and watch Swiss TV over the telephone, tablet, in the car, computer or even with a real TV !


It may not seem fair to the 24% of the population who are foreign, i have no idea how many of that 24% cannot or do not understand the language of their particular linguistic region, but the vote was made and the majority wanted this solution so here we are.
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It is part of the identity of a country (think BBC & UK)
Fair enough but they should be payed throuh taxes. Now they try to sell it like an abo but I don't want and don't need this abo. Yet, it's an abo. Really patronizing...
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