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Old 20.01.2019, 14:16
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So only people with phones had to pay? And what if you only had a radio?
I wasn't in that situation, but the PTT docs said "The taxes will be charged monthly even if you don't have a telephone subscription". So I guess that means you would get the same bill with an entry only in the "Radio/TV" position. If I remember correctly, the radio licence cost CHF 3.35 per month.
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Re: Bye bye Billag [Welcome our new overlord Serafe]

And back then they probably managed to get the invoicing right with correct names and addresses. Yet in 2019 they can't manage it.
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Re: Bye bye Billag [Welcome our new overlord Serafe]

Well, control was fairly tight. When you bought a new set, the retailer was obliged to transmit your cooordinates to the PTT. If you replaced your receiver, bought another one, or connected it to an external antenna, you were also supposed to inform the PTT, although I expect that few listeners did that.

This control continued into the start of the satellite broadcasting age. When I installed my first parabolic antenna in 1987, I had to get a special licence from the PTT (costing an extra CHF 96 per annum, plus CHF 25 for registration) after providing them with full details of the latitude, longitude and altitude of the location, the diameter of the antenna and its height above the ground, frequency coverage, modulation type and bandwidth, class of emission and receiver performance in dB/K.
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Old 20.01.2019, 16:26
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"Yes, yes", as I corrected 13 hours before this post of your's.
What correction? I quoted your post without altering anything.

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Including rather than adding is key, less noticeable that way. Plenty of other things are covered/financed with money from income tax (which not everyone necessarily uses or benefits from), this just happens to be something that is charged separately hence all of the issues and complaints, not to mention payment avoidance.
That would result in a Staatsfernsehen/-radio, the exact opposite of what the lawgiver has mandated.

By your "including rather than adding" you appear to show your true colors, coming across as a pennypincher who's only interest, to not call it obsession, is to pay as little as possible for any public service.

Suck it up, the dicision taken is a differnt one.
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to pay as little as possible for any public service.
In Switzerland I feel this is on the increase. In many countries it's a national pastime.
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Suck it up, the dicision taken is a differnt one.
We never paid Billag and we left just in time before Serafe started, so nothing to suck up here!
However it didn't stop us receiving an erroneous (names mixed up with other residents) invoice for Serafe based on incorrect data, which promptly went in the bin! Still can't believe they are sending out invoices to people who left more than 6 months ago.
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Old 20.01.2019, 17:05
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Still can't believe they are sending out invoices to people who left more than 6 months ago.
Leaving =/= deregistering

If you did deregister you should scroll up, that point's been addressed multiple times already.
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Leaving =/= deregistering

If you did deregister you should scroll up, that point's been addressed multiple times already.
Fully aware that this has already been spoken about.
I deregistered, so no fee due.
But receiving a bill proves the point that Serafe are getting and using out of date (by at least 6 months, possibly more) data from town halls. Hardly practical given the number of people that will have moved or left the country in that time.
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Old 20.01.2019, 17:31
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But receiving a bill proves the point that Serafe are getting and using out of date (by at least 6 months, possibly more) data from town halls.
It was reported in the local press that Serafe don't actually get the address information directly from the commune registers, but they access a federal register "centralised by all the cantons". It said that the cantons transmit the modifications made by the communes once a month. It didn't clarify how frequently the cantonal authorities are updated by the communes. Having several steps in the chain must increase the likelihood of errors, in addition to introducing delay.

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It was reported in the local press that Serafe don't actually get the address information directly from the commune registers, but they access a federal register "centralised by all the cantons". It said that the cantons transmit the modifications made by the communes once a month. It didn't clarify how frequently the cantonal authorities are updated by the communes.
Organised chaos in other words.
Town halls may be transmitting their updates as infrequently as once a year given that, firstly, this is all new, extra work for them that they did not have before and secondly, that the charge is yearly.
I would assume though that you are only liable to pay it up to the end of the month in which you leave the country.
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Old 20.01.2019, 18:36
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Re: Bye bye Billag [Welcome our new overlord Serafe]

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What correction? I quoted your post without altering anything.
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"Yes, yes", as I corrected 13 hours before this post of your's. .....
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In Switzerland I feel this is on the increase. In many countries it's a national pastime......
What is, public service? Yep, I'm sure that is correct - while the taxes in the other countries did not drop accordingly.
But that's alright - it's all hidden, so the paying for nothing is not obvoius. Right?

That must be a horribly boring place you moved to 6 months ago if you discuss the not-concerning-you-Serafe for days on end.
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Old 21.01.2019, 08:30
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this is all new, extra work for them that they did not have before
The currently used data structure, together with the application to maintain the data, was introduced ten years ago as preparation for the national structural survey (Bevölkerungsstrukturerhebung).

Keep talking out of your arse.
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Old 21.01.2019, 10:52
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So only people with phones had to pay? And what if you only had a radio?
There was actually a time that "radio" programmes were transmitted through the phone wires. The quaint old radios with phone connectors still appear in brockis here and there. And PTT would try to upsell their phone ciustomers into also getting a radio subscription.

And nowadays both landline phones and radio/TV use broadband cables, so you could say the wheel of history has come full circle, while PTT/Swisscom has taken the shortcut by staying put and waiting for the wheel to come round..
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Re: Bye bye Billag [Welcome our new overlord Serafe]

I never had a TV or Radio at home.
No internet, just a smartphone with prepaid that is very limited for whatsapp and such. I don't need more because I do some of the internet burocracy at work.

So do I still have pay?

I think it's not possible to avoid it now with the new serafe but I ask you guys.


PS: Is it so complicated nowadays to just block certain swiss sites/apps for people that don't pay for a service and don't even want it? What a nonsense.
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I never had a TV or Radio at home.
No internet, just a smartphone with prepaid that is very limited for whatsapp and such. I don't need more because I do some of the internet burocracy at work.

So do I still have pay?

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I think it's not possible to avoid it now with the new serafe but I ask you guys.
If you're on benefits, you don't have to pay. AFAIK.




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PS: Is it so complicated nowadays to just block certain swiss sites/apps for people that don't pay for a service and don't even want it? What a nonsense.

Yes.
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The currently used data structure, together with the application to maintain the data, was introduced ten years ago as preparation for the national structural survey
Evidently not efficient then if they are sending out data which is both wrong/mixed up and out of date.
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Serafe TV licence fee

I live in Switzerland. I have just received the new TV and radio licence fee, which from this month is compulsory for every household here. It amounts to 365 CHF a year. Anyone who has a WIFI router, smartphone, TV, radio etc must pay. I do not want to pay this for two reasons. I never watch Swiss TV or listen to Swiss radio. But that means nothing to them. I still have to cough up. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, the SRF (Swiss Broadcasting Corporation) is not in any way impartial or objective in its news coverage.....like the BBC, it is a progressive Left propaganda machine. You know...pro-EU, anti-Trump and America, identiy politics, pro-AGW,. pro-immigration. Anti-Israel. Globalist. And massive omissions in its reporting. The whole gamut. As a public broadcaster funded by tax payers via the fee, it is obliged to be objective, so therefore we are talking about a dereliction of duty. Here's what I have in mind.
If I don't pay the bill, and after a few warnings, and also not paying the eventual 5000 CHF fine(!) I would have to spend some time in prison I guess and of course be put on the debt collectors register...and even deported. This is a freedom tax. Extortion. The Swiss don't mess about!! Alternatively, I pay the bill, and then sue the SRF for the above dereliction of duty as a public broadcaster. That would mean a lawyer and having to collect evidence.
Is there anyone else on here who does not want to pay this because they don't use the service? And is there anyone here who would be interested in crowdfunding to pay for a case against the SRF?
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Old 21.01.2019, 21:47
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I live in Switzerland. I have just received the new TV and radio licence fee, which from this month is compulsory for every household here. It amounts to 365 CHF a year. Anyone who has a WIFI router, smartphone, TV, radio etc must pay. I do not want to pay this for two reasons. I never watch Swiss TV or listen to Swiss radio. But that means nothing to them. I still have to cough up. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, the SRF (Swiss Broadcasting Corporation) is not in any way impartial or objective in its news coverage.....like the BBC, it is a progressive Left propaganda machine. You know...pro-EU, anti-Trump and America, identiy politics, pro-AGW,. pro-immigration. Anti-Israel. Globalist. And massive omissions in its reporting. The whole gamut. As a public broadcaster funded by tax payers via the fee, it is obliged to be objective, so therefore we are talking about a dereliction of duty. Here's what I have in mind.
If I don't pay the bill, and after a few warnings, and also not paying the eventual 5000 CHF fine(!) I would have to spend some time in prison I guess and of course be put on the debt collectors register...and even deported. This is a freedom tax. Extortion. The Swiss don't mess about!! Alternatively, I pay the bill, and then sue the SRF for the above dereliction of duty as a public broadcaster. That would mean a lawyer and having to collect evidence.
Is there anyone else on here who does not want to pay this because they don't use the service? And is there anyone here who would be interested in crowdfunding to pay for a case against the SRF?
Maybe go back to the country you came from with all its freedoms and liberties and leave us oppressed, brain washed sheep in peace?
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Old 21.01.2019, 21:48
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I never watch Swiss TV or listen to Swiss radio.

SRF is a progressive Left propaganda machine. You know...pro-EU, anti-Trump and America, identiy politics, pro-AGW,. pro-immigration. Anti-Israel. Globalist. And massive omissions in its reporting. The whole gamut.
For someone who does not watch or listen to SRF, you know a lot 'bout them
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Old 21.01.2019, 21:59
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I never watch Swiss TV or listen to Swiss radio.

SRF (Swiss Broadcasting Corporation) is not in any way impartial or objective in its news coverage.....like the BBC, it is a progressive Left propaganda machine. You know...pro-EU, anti-Trump and America, identiy politics, pro-AGW,. pro-immigration. Anti-Israel. Globalist. And massive omissions in its reporting. The whole gamut.
If you never watch it how do you know? Basically either you are watched it, and must pay the fee, or you are refusing to watch it based on second hand knowledge.... from where I ask?

P.s. if you think the BBC is pro EU you obviously have never watched that either.

P.p.s. If you go with plan B, how will you gatherthis evidence without watching it?
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