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Re: Serafe - wifi but that's it

I am astounded by some of the ridiculous arguments.

"It's only 1 Franc a day" - that's 365 francs that I can spend on something much better and over 20k for a lifetime. Why don't some of you send me 1 franc a day if it's so meaningless? I'll gladly provide my bitcoin address for this purpose.

"I have to pay for schools that I don't use, and thus you should not complain about TV" - so educating the population vs. lobotomizing the population with TV is the same thing? How egregious!

"Get over it, that's the price to live in society" - I am happy to pay for schools, housing for the needy, bureaucrats that make the system run, street lights so that the vast majority of people can see at night, the military to defend the country - all those things are necessary to live in society. A medium that is disappearing, and as someone commented earlier is on the path to extinction being propped up by my money!? That's absolutely not ok. Viewership is dwindling it's a fact.

"you should feel warm inside for helping grandpa watching TV" Grandpa had access to cheap properties, a nice pension, job security - screw him and his TV.

The biggest joke of it all is that they charge you in the "event" that you could connect to the TV. Wifi and a smart phone! I would understand if they charged you if you own a physical TV, in this case they apply this generally to everyone to us over and take our money.

71% voted against the plan with a 54% turnout or 38% of the population voted to keep this going - sounds like another case of young people too busy surviving and making ends meet to go voting. That's the real problem.

So now to my initial question: Can OFCOM force themselves into my property or is it similar to the UK where "they can keep on knocking but they can't come in!"? Is my Internet Service Provider required to provide them information on me?

I will try to opt out - as the Wifi in my house is to work from home, and my smart phone is provided by my work with all the necessary blocks in place so that I don't waste time watching TV as an example. Not much hope but at least I will have tried.

Silver lining - I am sure that we will see this crap being killed off in my lifetime, whether that's the rubbish they broadcast via the BBC in the UK - or whatever garbage they have here in Switzerland. Reading some more on the topic, when the vote was passed it was completely disingenuous and the bill was proposed as some form of cultural protection of Switzerland. Let's hope they come back with a better worded bill in the next few years, and that enough of the population is not completely manipulated by that same TV, that I am sure broadcasted none stop the ill effect of cutting their budget off.

Disgusting.
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Hey guy, if that's your argument, go scream at your health insurance and your pension fund. You're paying a lot more than 365/year to subsidise lots of things there too. In any case, like it or not, the law is the law and it has come democratically.

If you think your opinion is so popular, get an initiative together and try changing it.

Everybody has to live with things they don't like or even approve. It's called living in a society...
I have done - and will be emptying it every 5 years. That annoys me a lot more than TV... Its just a wasteful poorly thought through system.

Despite being a natural net contributor, I'm very happy with Swiss healthcare.

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As I said and as you conveniently ignored, I WOULD be willing to pay a contribution of 100 or even 150chf... but paying almost 400chf per year is an absolute joke.

SRF should publish a breakdown of their costs. No doubt there is a small number of TV shows in addition to luxurious offices and inflated salaries that account for a large portion of the CHF 365 charge.
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I am astounded by some of the ridiculous arguments.

"It's only 1 Franc a day" - that's 365 francs that I can spend on something much better and over 20k for a lifetime. Why don't some of you send me 1 franc a day if it's so meaningless? I'll gladly provide my bitcoin address for this purpose.

"I have to pay for schools that I don't use, and thus you should not complain about TV" - so educating the population vs. lobotomizing the population with TV is the same thing? How egregious!

"Get over it, that's the price to live in society" - I am happy to pay for schools, housing for the needy, bureaucrats that make the system run, street lights so that the vast majority of people can see at night, the military to defend the country - all those things are necessary to live in society. A medium that is disappearing, and as someone commented earlier is on the path to extinction being propped up by my money!? That's absolutely not ok. Viewership is dwindling it's a fact.

"you should feel warm inside for helping grandpa watching TV" Grandpa had access to cheap properties, a nice pension, job security - screw him and his TV.

The biggest joke of it all is that they charge you in the "event" that you could connect to the TV. Wifi and a smart phone! I would understand if they charged you if you own a physical TV, in this case they apply this generally to everyone to us over and take our money.

71% voted against the plan with a 54% turnout or 38% of the population voted to keep this going - sounds like another case of young people too busy surviving and making ends meet to go voting. That's the real problem.

So now to my initial question: Can OFCOM force themselves into my property or is it similar to the UK where "they can keep on knocking but they can't come in!"? Is my Internet Service Provider required to provide them information on me?

I will try to opt out - as the Wifi in my house is to work from home, and my smart phone is provided by my work with all the necessary blocks in place so that I don't waste time watching TV as an example. Not much hope but at least I will have tried.

Silver lining - I am sure that we will see this crap being killed off in my lifetime, whether that's the rubbish they broadcast via the BBC in the UK - or whatever garbage they have here in Switzerland. Reading some more on the topic, when the vote was passed it was completely disingenuous and the bill was proposed as some form of cultural protection of Switzerland. Let's hope they come back with a better worded bill in the next few years, and that enough of the population is not completely manipulated by that same TV, that I am sure broadcasted none stop the ill effect of cutting their budget off.

Disgusting.
Well - in that case you don't own a smartphone and you should report it as such. Its your works smartphone.
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Well - in that case you don't own a smartphone and you should report it as such. Its your works smartphone.
Not sure that would work. It's on devices in the household, not who owns them.


If all devices are owned by the company and are required for work purposes (Including, I'm guessing, your car) why don't you just expense the cost of Serafe?
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Re: Serafe - wifi but that's it

I'm always a little bit surprised at the level of passion that this topic always induces. There is very little that you can do about it and I am guessing that most of the people on the forum can easily afford this.


You will cause yourself an ulcer.


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Judging from the amount of pushback I have read online, I have a feeling the current system won't last so long.
People which are unhappy with the status quo are usually much more vocal than those which think it is A-OK.
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I am astounded by some of the ridiculous arguments.

"It's only 1 Franc a day" - that's 365 francs that I can spend on something much better and over 20k for a lifetime. Why don't some of you send me 1 franc a day if it's so meaningless? I'll gladly provide my bitcoin address for this purpose.

"I have to pay for schools that I don't use, and thus you should not complain about TV" - so educating the population vs. lobotomizing the population with TV is the same thing? How egregious!

"Get over it, that's the price to live in society" - I am happy to pay for schools, housing for the needy, bureaucrats that make the system run, street lights so that the vast majority of people can see at night, the military to defend the country - all those things are necessary to live in society. A medium that is disappearing, and as someone commented earlier is on the path to extinction being propped up by my money!? That's absolutely not ok. Viewership is dwindling it's a fact.

"you should feel warm inside for helping grandpa watching TV" Grandpa had access to cheap properties, a nice pension, job security - screw him and his TV.

The biggest joke of it all is that they charge you in the "event" that you could connect to the TV. Wifi and a smart phone! I would understand if they charged you if you own a physical TV, in this case they apply this generally to everyone to us over and take our money.

71% voted against the plan with a 54% turnout or 38% of the population voted to keep this going - sounds like another case of young people too busy surviving and making ends meet to go voting. That's the real problem.

So now to my initial question: Can OFCOM force themselves into my property or is it similar to the UK where "they can keep on knocking but they can't come in!"? Is my Internet Service Provider required to provide them information on me?

I will try to opt out - as the Wifi in my house is to work from home, and my smart phone is provided by my work with all the necessary blocks in place so that I don't waste time watching TV as an example. Not much hope but at least I will have tried.

Silver lining - I am sure that we will see this crap being killed off in my lifetime, whether that's the rubbish they broadcast via the BBC in the UK - or whatever garbage they have here in Switzerland. Reading some more on the topic, when the vote was passed it was completely disingenuous and the bill was proposed as some form of cultural protection of Switzerland. Let's hope they come back with a better worded bill in the next few years, and that enough of the population is not completely manipulated by that same TV, that I am sure broadcasted none stop the ill effect of cutting their budget off.

Disgusting.
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I'm always a little bit surprised at the level of passion that this topic always induces. There is very little that you can do about it and I am guessing that most of the people on the forum can easily afford this.


You will cause yourself an ulcer.


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That's the spirit!
Don Quixote would be proud of you.

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Don Quixote would talk about killing the crap himself, not waiting for others to kill it before his death

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Under the old rules (with Billag) I didn't have to pay the TV tax because we do not have a television, nor did I subscribe to an internet streaming service. I paid the radio portion, obviously, because I listen to radio.

All that changed with Serafe. Under the new regs almost everyone has to pay,
That's not related to the change from Billag to Serafe though, is it? Just that they scrapped the Radio-only licence as an irrelevance at around the same time.

Anyway, even under the old rules you should have been paying the full amount. The fact that you are posting here is proof enough that you have equipment capable of TV reception.

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I'm always a little bit surprised at the level of passion that this topic always induces. There is very little that you can do about it and I am guessing that most of the people on the forum can easily afford this.

You will cause yourself an ulcer.

As Elsa says 'Let it go'
Yes, because why bother complaining about anything you disagree with, simply because you can afford it?

Nick's secret to success in life... be quiet, bend over, and take it without complaint. After, all why risk an ulcer with all of that "being opinionated and speaking your mind" nonsense?
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I am astounded by some of the ridiculous arguments.
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The biggest joke of it all is that they charge you in the "event" that you could connect to the TV.
Err, yes? That's the rule all right. Is there any actual reason, apart from the fact that you don't like it, why you think it shouldn't apply to you?
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... whereas Swiss radio and terrestrial TV I do not use and has no relevance to me whatsoever. I may have to pay it, but I also have a right to complain vocally and at length about it.
I have the feeling that we are in a bit of an echo-chamber in EF, as most members are not Swiss and don't consume so much (or any) local public media (in local language) or a lot less than the general population. So the negative bias we have here, when compared to the overall population (which voted overwhelmingly to KEEP the license fee quite recently) is quite understandable.

I think it's a bit of our responsibility to try to put ourselves in the shoes of the citizens whose country we have moved in, and try to "live" with the local culture. Or embrace it, whatever floats your boat.
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That's not related to the change fro, Billag to Serafe though, is it? Just that they scrapped the Radio-only licence as an irrelevance.

Anyway, even under the old rules you should have been paying the full amount. The fact that you are posting here is proof enough that you have equipment capable of TV reception.
Nope, I checked and double checked with Billag itself.

Had the cable thingy plumbed, had no subscription services, no TV - Billag actually sent me a nice letter saying all good, I didn't have to pay the TV portion.

I filled out their occasional questionaire re-stating what I had and what I did not have, and throughout the years always the same: I qualified for the exception. IIRC, about 5% of households qualified. (As above I dutifully paid the radio bit.)

But recently (a year or three ago ?) that exception was all but eliminated. Now not having a subscription service no longer gets one out of the 'capable of recieving' bit. IIRC the change came about the time of the advent of Serafe.

A few households still qualify for the exception, but only a very few.
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All I can say is that Swiss TV, as a source of entertainment and information must be pretty bad if they have to force everyone to pay to watch it, even if they don't want to.

'20 minutes' is pretty bad as a newspaper but they manage to give it away free with advertising paying for it. That's how easy it is.

The old argument (used on here many times) is that someone needs to pay for the infrastructure. That infrastructure just doesn't exist any more and the price of technology has dropped so much that even a home-user can easily purchase broadcast quality video equipment.

So, where is this money going?
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I have the feeling that we are in a bit of an echo-chamber in EF, as most members are not Swiss and don't consume so much (or any) local public media (in local language) or a lot less than the general population. So the negative bias we have here, when compared to the overall population (which voted overwhelmingly to KEEP the license fee quite recently) is quite understandable.

I think it's a bit of our responsibility to try to put ourselves in the shoes of the citizens whose country we have moved in, and try to "live" with the local culture. Or embrace it, whatever floats your boat.
Ahem. Some of us didn't watch TV in our home countries either. This isn't about language.
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Hi all - I am sure this has been asked already but I couldn't find the post in the forum.

I have wifi and a smart phone, but no TV, no computers, nothing. Am I still liable to pay this mafia?

In the UK the TV licensing mob is not allowed to enter your premises unless invited to. Can Serafe force themselves into your house to check that you have wifi? Can they check with your internet service provider that you have wifi?
Bastards. Just opened the bill this evening and this made me absolutely boil with rage.

I thought Switzerland was a common sense country - I am outraged. Who still listens to the radio and the TV??? If you can't survive on your own just die already as a concept.
Posted on an internet forum.

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Well, here is a glimmer of good news guys... the price is being reduced starting in 2021 from 365chf to 335chf. https://www.serafe.ch/en/
Interesting. Thanks for info. They had time to discuss Serafe-prices in Corona year? LOL.
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I have the feeling that we are in a bit of an echo-chamber in EF, as most members are not Swiss and don't consume so much (or any) local public media (in local language) or a lot less than the general population. So the negative bias we have here, when compared to the overall population (which voted overwhelmingly to KEEP the license fee quite recently) is quite understandable.

I think it's a bit of our responsibility to try to put ourselves in the shoes of the citizens whose country we have moved in, and try to "live" with the local culture. Or embrace it, whatever floats your boat.
It's a bad argument.

My family are Swiss. I have never owned a TV in my life until last year as the kids wanted one to watch films.
They are also not interested in Swiss, or any TV.



The Swiss love watching wild animals at circuses here even though this abhorrent practice is banned in almost every other European country.

Should I pay to subsidise this too if I had to as it's part of local culture?
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Yes, because why bother complaining about anything you disagree with, simply because you can afford it?
Well yes, why?

The fact that the populace has consistently, and recently, voted to retain the charge seems to mean nothing to you. Your complaint has been heard, discussed and rejected. Continuing to complain about it just sounds a but like a spoilt child.

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So, where is this money going?
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