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If you opt out of the military you must do Civil service which takes 1.5x times as much time as military. What would be the SERAFE equivalent of that? Buying each year Francs 450 worth of books or concert tickets by Swiss authors or Swiss artists?
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I don't vote. Anyway it's interesting to read how the SERAFE director could not just shut up. Instead, the guy made a display of entitlement, surely he's not a politician.
They guy has a clear order from the government what his duty is. The sole purpose and existence of Serafe is to collect the tv and radio fees, forward it to BAKOM and the SRG (and get a small cut for the work). I do not see any entitlement. He couldn't care less what you politically think or if the fee is abolished. He also knows that he might lose the contract in a few years to an other company which will do the billing cheaper than Serafe does. That is how Billag lost its contract.
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Old 05.02.2021, 16:29
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Well, the UK also has a TV license system so it's not unique to Switzerland and there is a lot of controversy over that too. The UK one is cheaper, but of course it has a different level of quality and number of contributors. All the Swiss I have talked to say that local TV is **** and the majority watch/listen to streaming services or foreign channels.
Germany has a similar system too which is also somewhat controversial.

They used to have a Billag-like system with creepy men knocking on your door and making vague threats. When I was living in Germany I dealt with them a couple of times. Like their Switzerland counterparts, they tended to be a bit on the dumb side and it was easy to run circles around them.

And like Switzerland they finally abolished that and replaced it by an "everybody must pay system". But that was long after I had left.
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And like Switzerland they finally abolished that and replaced it by an "everybody must pay system". But that was long after I had left.
Germany did it first, Switzerland followed suit.
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For 350 bucks a year? Yep!
Our tax money goes to a lot of other things we may individually disapprove of, or just not benefit from.

Including cultural offerings for example, that only appeal to a very small sector of the population.

We don't complain as much as it is buried in general taxation so we don't see those figures unless we really dig for them.

But the difference is that these other spendings are at least in theory subject to scrutiny by our elected representatives whereas the Serafe contribution is ring-fenced by law.

I am all for some level of action to preserve minority languages and cultures and accept that the private sector may not be interested in doing that. But the present vehicle is totally inappropriate.
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Being mad at Serafe is like being mad at the gas station clerk that you must buy a highway vignette. It is not simply barking up the wrong tree, but barking at a rock.
Love it! So good it needs to be quoted - maybe made into a sticky post or something.
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Old 05.02.2021, 16:58
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Being mad at Serafe is like being mad at the gas station clerk that you must buy a highway vignette. It is not simply barking up the wrong tree, but barking at a rock.
Well, his only defence is going to be that he's only obeying orders.

And if you go about it the right way, it is surprising how far you can get talking to people, even to policemen or customs agents. And have them turn a blind eye.

Because ultimately even many of those people understand that they are being asked to enforce an entirely stupid policy, even if in view of their situation and the job they would risk being fired from, that's not a point of view they can easily admit to.

But if you go in all guns blazing, then of course they're not going to be sympathetic towards your situation.
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If you opt out of the military you must do Civil service which takes 1.5x times as much time as military. What would be the SERAFE equivalent of that? Buying each year Francs 450 worth of books or concert tickets by Swiss authors or Swiss artists?
Looking at what Swiss TV has on offer, it would be more like buying 450 CHF worth of books or concert tickets by German authors or German artists.


(Which was kind of my point in an earlier post - trim down Swiss TV to something more akin to BBC radio 4 but on TV so only local current affairs, drama, news, nature and culture programmes.

Apart from dramas, none of these need much of a budget.
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Being mad at Serafe is like being mad at the gas station clerk that you must buy a highway vignette. It is not simply barking up the wrong tree, but barking at a rock.
Nope, not mad at all. Just enjoying seeing cracks in the foundation of some building
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Refuse/ignore to pay serafe bill?

Has anyone had positive experience with ignoring to pay the serafe bill? I have no radio or tv and no interest in listening to any of the swiss media, mostly junk anyways, no offence. It lightens up my inner rebel when I'm forced to pay for something i don't use.

And yes i do have a smartphone and laptop so i can communicate with the world in 2021.

Will you get fined or have other consequences if you don't pay. In the end i don't want to bother with authorities, but also don't want to make it easy for people to take screw consumers over.
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Re: Refuse/ignore to pay serafe bill?

In the end they will send a Betreibung, as simple as that.
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Re: Refuse/ignore to pay serafe bill?

Didnīt somebodyīs family get a Betreibung after the guy had died?
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Has anyone had positive experience with ignoring to pay the serafe bill? I have no radio or tv and no interest in listening to any of the swiss media, mostly junk anyways, no offence. It lightens up my inner rebel when I'm forced to pay for something i don't use.

And yes i do have a smartphone and laptop so i can communicate with the world in 2021.

Will you get fined or have other consequences if you don't pay. In the end i don't want to bother with authorities, but also don't want to make it easy for people to take screw consumers over.
You are screwing ever single person on this forum, by avoiding your obligations and leaving it up to the rest of the population.

Luckily the Swiss are very good at keeping track of these things and it will follow you.

Pay up like everyone else and stop being a spunger!
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Has anyone had positive experience with ignoring to pay the serafe bill? I have no radio or tv and no interest in listening to any of the swiss media, mostly junk anyways, no offence. It lightens up my inner rebel when I'm forced to pay for something i don't use.

And yes i do have a smartphone and laptop so i can communicate with the world in 2021.

Will you get fined or have other consequences if you don't pay. In the end i don't want to bother with authorities, but also don't want to make it easy for people to take screw consumers over.
Don't, trust me, it will hurt you more then them. If it makes you feel any better: this is not the worst kind of "mass collection" in Switzerland. At least it makes some sense.

If you want to know about total nonsense then consider Pro Litteris, both of my tiny companies housed in the same building must pay them yearly amounts because "we might have copy machines and thus make copies of books".
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If you want to know about total nonsense then consider Pro Litteris, both of my tiny companies housed in the same building must pay them yearly amounts because "we might have copy machines and thus make copies of books".
That peed me off as well. Tied to number of employees. I took it as licence to make copies of books. The first bill was so unprofessional and scrappy, it nearly was binned immediately. They've got better in the last few years.

For the OP - here are the exemptions to paying Serafe:
  • Households with persons who receive annual supplementary Old Age, Survivors' and Invalidity (OASI / AHV-IV) insurance benefits from the federal government
  • Households with no means of receiving radio or television (no radio, no television, no computer, no tablet, no smartphone, no car radio, etc.)
  • Households of deaf-blind people, provided that there are no people liable for the fee living in their private household
  • Households of diplomats

Unless you are on this list, if you can have a smartphone, you must pay. That's the law.
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Re: TV licence, Serafe in place of Billag

Just received a new serafe bill.

It says that they are refunding the VAT for the years 2010-2015 (which for those who have been following this saga, was found to have been charged illegally).

So total bill is 280 instead of whatever.

I guess this is especially cool for those who never payed Billag in those years.
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Re: TV licence, Serafe in place of Billag

Hello everyone and thanks for such an insightful forum.
Do you know if the payment to Serafe is on an individual basis or household basis?

The reason why I am asking is because I have recently moved to Switzerland into a temporary apartment - and received the Serafe payment request.
I will be moving next week to another apartment (permanent one) and was wondering if I will get again the payment request...

Thanks!
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Hello everyone and thanks for such an insightful forum.
Do you know if the payment to Serafe is on an individual basis or household basis?

The reason why I am asking is because I have recently moved to Switzerland into a temporary apartment - and received the Serafe payment request.
I will be moving next week to another apartment (permanent one) and was wondering if I will get again the payment request...

Thanks!
I came to this thread to ask the same question

Iíve received the bill at my AirBnB, meanwhile as of last week I have registered at my new apartment. So my question is, is the Serafe bill linked to me as a person, or to the address?

Iím happy to pay it, I just donít want to pay for it at Apartment A and then get a second bill for Apartment B.
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I came to this thread to ask the same question

Iíve received the bill at my AirBnB, meanwhile as of last week I have registered at my new apartment. So my question is, is the Serafe bill linked to me as a person, or to the address?

Iím happy to pay it, I just donít want to pay for it at Apartment A and then get a second bill for Apartment B.
Exactly. Same over here, happy to pay it... but just once
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