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Re: TV licence, Serafe in place of Billag

How else would they do it? Set up a government billing office? Generally recognized that a private company will do it more efficiently than government.
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Re: TV licence, Serafe in place of Billag

Well, the government collects regular taxes, too. That's not outsourced to a private company.
They even collect the church-tax ;-)

So that argument doesn't really hold IMO.

The thing is of course that they want to collect from everybody. Not only those who pay taxes.
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Old 05.02.2021, 11:53
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Re: TV licence, Serafe in place of Billag

This is really interesting. Apparently TV and radio keeps telling things some taxpayers don't want to listen to. On the other hand, SRF has been criticized for being too critical with the Bundesrat and their decisions.

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In the past few days, the bills of the Swiss collection agency for the radio and television levy (Serafe) have fluttered into the mailboxes across Switzerland. As the successor to Billag, the company has been collecting the radio and television levy since January 2019, the majority of which goes to the Swiss radio and television company SRG. Critics of the Corona measures no longer want to pay for the offer. In various groups on Facebook and Telegram, they call for people to refuse payment.

The reason for this is the reporting by the SRF since the beginning of the Corona crisis. "What they have been doing for a year is criminal" or "I will no longer co-finance this horror propaganda" are the more harmless comments. "The state takes our livelihoods from us - but can we still pay on time?" Someone asks. A picture of a burning Serafe envelope is also circulating on social media.
https://www.20min.ch/story/corona-sk...n-117080326443

In the end it would be interesting if a referendum came out of this. It's curious that you can opt out of military service as conscientious objector, but not out of SERAFE.

My position is to enjoy 5-6 radio stations for music, Formula 1 and MotoGP. Beyond that, I don't care too much about what else happens on Swiss publicly funded media. I don't know what I would do if I got upset by the broadcasted content.
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In the end it would be interesting if a referendum came out of this. It's curious that you can opt out of military service as conscientious objector, but not out of SERAFE.
If you opt out of the military you must do Civil service which takes 1.5x times as much time as military. What would be the SERAFE equivalent of that? Buying each year Francs 450 worth of books or concert tickets by Swiss authors or Swiss artists?
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Re: TV licence, Serafe in place of Billag

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If you opt out of the military you must do Civil service which takes 1.5x times as much time as military.
Or pay money.

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If you opt out of the military you must do Civil service which takes 1.5x times as much time as military. What would be the SERAFE equivalent of that? Buying each year Francs 450 worth of books or concert tickets by Swiss authors or Swiss artists?
...or newspapers which have the advantage of providing context and a rich discussion.

I don't vote. Anyway it's interesting to read how the SERAFE director could not just shut up. Instead, the guy made a display of entitlement, surely he's not a politician.

The comments from SRF were much more intelligent: some people think were scaremongers, others think we don't criticize the government enough, we cannot please 100% of people.
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If you opt out of the military you must do Civil service which takes 1.5x times as much time as military. What would be the SERAFE equivalent of that? Buying each year Francs 450 worth of books or concert tickets by Swiss authors or Swiss artists?
Brilliant idea!
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I don't vote. Anyway it's interesting to read how the SERAFE director could not just shut up. Instead, the guy made a display of entitlement, surely he's not a politician.
They guy has a clear order from the government what his duty is. The sole purpose and existence of Serafe is to collect the tv and radio fees, forward it to BAKOM and the SRG (and get a small cut for the work). I do not see any entitlement. He couldn't care less what you politically think or if the fee is abolished. He also knows that he might lose the contract in a few years to an other company which will do the billing cheaper than Serafe does. That is how Billag lost its contract.
https://www.bakom.admin.ch/bakom/en/...0/billing.html

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Well, the UK also has a TV license system so it's not unique to Switzerland and there is a lot of controversy over that too. The UK one is cheaper, but of course it has a different level of quality and number of contributors. All the Swiss I have talked to say that local TV is **** and the majority watch/listen to streaming services or foreign channels.
Germany has a similar system too which is also somewhat controversial.

They used to have a Billag-like system with creepy men knocking on your door and making vague threats. When I was living in Germany I dealt with them a couple of times. Like their Switzerland counterparts, they tended to be a bit on the dumb side and it was easy to run circles around them.

And like Switzerland they finally abolished that and replaced it by an "everybody must pay system". But that was long after I had left.
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And like Switzerland they finally abolished that and replaced it by an "everybody must pay system". But that was long after I had left.
Germany did it first, Switzerland followed suit.
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For 350 bucks a year? Yep!
Our tax money goes to a lot of other things we may individually disapprove of, or just not benefit from.

Including cultural offerings for example, that only appeal to a very small sector of the population.

We don't complain as much as it is buried in general taxation so we don't see those figures unless we really dig for them.

But the difference is that these other spendings are at least in theory subject to scrutiny by our elected representatives whereas the Serafe contribution is ring-fenced by law.

I am all for some level of action to preserve minority languages and cultures and accept that the private sector may not be interested in doing that. But the present vehicle is totally inappropriate.
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Being mad at Serafe is like being mad at the gas station clerk that you must buy a highway vignette. It is not simply barking up the wrong tree, but barking at a rock.
Love it! So good it needs to be quoted - maybe made into a sticky post or something.
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Being mad at Serafe is like being mad at the gas station clerk that you must buy a highway vignette. It is not simply barking up the wrong tree, but barking at a rock.
Well, his only defence is going to be that he's only obeying orders.

And if you go about it the right way, it is surprising how far you can get talking to people, even to policemen or customs agents. And have them turn a blind eye.

Because ultimately even many of those people understand that they are being asked to enforce an entirely stupid policy, even if in view of their situation and the job they would risk being fired from, that's not a point of view they can easily admit to.

But if you go in all guns blazing, then of course they're not going to be sympathetic towards your situation.
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If you opt out of the military you must do Civil service which takes 1.5x times as much time as military. What would be the SERAFE equivalent of that? Buying each year Francs 450 worth of books or concert tickets by Swiss authors or Swiss artists?
Looking at what Swiss TV has on offer, it would be more like buying 450 CHF worth of books or concert tickets by German authors or German artists.


(Which was kind of my point in an earlier post - trim down Swiss TV to something more akin to BBC radio 4 but on TV so only local current affairs, drama, news, nature and culture programmes.

Apart from dramas, none of these need much of a budget.
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Being mad at Serafe is like being mad at the gas station clerk that you must buy a highway vignette. It is not simply barking up the wrong tree, but barking at a rock.
Nope, not mad at all. Just enjoying seeing cracks in the foundation of some building
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Refuse/ignore to pay serafe bill?

Has anyone had positive experience with ignoring to pay the serafe bill? I have no radio or tv and no interest in listening to any of the swiss media, mostly junk anyways, no offence. It lightens up my inner rebel when I'm forced to pay for something i don't use.

And yes i do have a smartphone and laptop so i can communicate with the world in 2021.

Will you get fined or have other consequences if you don't pay. In the end i don't want to bother with authorities, but also don't want to make it easy for people to take screw consumers over.
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Re: Refuse/ignore to pay serafe bill?

In the end they will send a Betreibung, as simple as that.
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Good luck.
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Didn´t somebody´s family get a Betreibung after the guy had died?
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Has anyone had positive experience with ignoring to pay the serafe bill? I have no radio or tv and no interest in listening to any of the swiss media, mostly junk anyways, no offence. It lightens up my inner rebel when I'm forced to pay for something i don't use.

And yes i do have a smartphone and laptop so i can communicate with the world in 2021.

Will you get fined or have other consequences if you don't pay. In the end i don't want to bother with authorities, but also don't want to make it easy for people to take screw consumers over.
You are screwing ever single person on this forum, by avoiding your obligations and leaving it up to the rest of the population.

Luckily the Swiss are very good at keeping track of these things and it will follow you.

Pay up like everyone else and stop being a spunger!
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