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$company should provide that via system-management.

Normally, Windows-clients aren't supposed to have any kind of local storage and save all files to a network-share.
What's the point of getting super fast local disks if everything has to be saved to a network share? This ain't a "normal Windows client".

That's something the OP needs to be aware of and gets us into SLA (Service Level Agreement) territory. The IT department might not be aware of the large volumes of data that can be involved.

Should a 10GbE network card be added to the spec?

Will the OP require assistance with restoring from network shares and will that assistance be available on a Sunday evening?

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I'm just not sure how well that works with large media files - but I assume, most pro-tools have a way of holding a local "cache" while still saving everything to a network-share.
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Re: Mac Pro v Dell 7910

Well, we finally ordered it!

Thank you everybody for all the advice and comments. They were all appreciated and took this apple fanboy back into PC territory. I would be lying if I said it was straightforward. I am still not sure that I made the right move in leaving Mac OS for Windows but the apple premium could not be justified, even though it was made clear to me that if I wished to go down the Mac Pro route it was fine.

So, I am both excited and and a little anxious as to what is to come!

For those interested, here is what we finally settled on:

Intel Xeon E5-2660 v3 2.6 ghz
Intel SSD 750 series 800 gb PCI-Express (scratch disk)
Samsung 950 Pro 512 GB M.2 (main harddrive)
Ati Firepro W8100 graphics card
Crucial 64 gb ECC Registered Ram (DDR4 - 2133)
ASUS z10PE MB
WD red 8000gb harddrives (2) for onsite storage.
Lian-Li tower
Plus fans etc. etc.

We also have a dedicated online server(?) where I can upload everything so that it is also backed up there.

Monitor, I have my oldish Dell U3014 which will do until I have some more cash thrown my way next year!

Cheers everybody!!

(our IT crew are building this for me and they will be around to help me if things go wrong - even on weekends as they live on campus)

Of course, even though it is his job to build it, a decent bottle of wine and chocolates are going his direction as a thank you for taking his time to go through this with me!
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Old 13.04.2017, 13:55
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Re: Mac Pro v Dell 7910

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Well, we finally ordered it!

Thank you everybody for all the advice and comments. They were all appreciated and took this apple fanboy back into PC territory. I would be lying if I said it was straightforward. I am still not sure that I made the right move in leaving Mac OS for Windows but the apple premium could not be justified, even though it was made clear to me that if I wished to go down the Mac Pro route it was fine.

So, I am both excited and and a little anxious as to what is to come!

For those interested, here is what we finally settled on:

Intel Xeon E5-2660 v3 2.6 ghz
Intel SSD 750 series 800 gb PCI-Express (scratch disk)
Samsung 950 Pro 512 GB M.2 (main harddrive)
Ati Firepro W8100 graphics card
Crucial 64 gb ECC Registered Ram (DDR4 - 2133)
ASUS z10PE MB
WD red 8000gb harddrives (2) for onsite storage.
Lian-Li tower
Plus fans etc. etc.

We also have a dedicated online server(?) where I can upload everything so that it is also backed up there.

Monitor, I have my oldish Dell U3014 which will do until I have some more cash thrown my way next year!

Cheers everybody!!

(our IT crew are building this for me and they will be around to help me if things go wrong - even on weekends as they live on campus)

Of course, even though it is his job to build it, a decent bottle of wine and chocolates are going his direction as a thank you for taking his time to go through this with me!
Sounds like the specs for a high end gamer PC, congarats.
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Old 13.04.2017, 14:17
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Of course, even though it is his job to build it, a decent bottle of wine and chocolates are going his direction as a thank you for taking his time to go through this with me!
After many years of dealing with hardware engineers, I can confirm that treating them well will pay dividends in the long run.

They will go the extra mile if you are in a jam.
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Re: Mac Pro v Dell 7910

Apple finally launched their next gen. iMac Pro. If you have the $$ to blow your brains out.

Here is a bit of blah blah from B&H photo (USA) with the details.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora...ac-readarticle
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Old 14.12.2017, 21:44
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Apple finally launched their next gen. iMac Pro. If you have the $$ to blow your brains out.

Here is a bit of blah blah from B&H photo (USA) with the details.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora...ac-readarticle
Only 5 grand, If you are in the graphics or rendering department you will pay that out laughingly. Just installed three comparable DOS workstations at a customer and they cost 3.2k a pop with 27" Eizoīs at 1600€īs, I donīt see much difference.
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Re: Mac Pro v Dell 7910

The 5k version is the 8 core, smallest build.

RAM isn't a FRU apparently.

We'll see what "normal" iMacs Apple will offer next year.

8-core will be mainstream next year - though the thermal design of the "normal" iMac might preclude the installation of anything more than 6-core.
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Only 5 grand, If you are in the graphics or rendering department you will pay that out laughingly. Just installed three comparable DOS workstations at a customer and they cost 3.2k a pop with 27" Eizoīs at 1600€īs, I donīt see much difference.
And professionals who like to stick to OSX have been waiting long enough for a new proper machine. Now just to hope that with the laptops they will start to satisfy the professionals again since their last line is a joke when it comes to professional usage.
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Old 16.12.2017, 16:37
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And professionals who like to stick to OSX have been waiting long enough for a new proper machine. Now just to hope that with the laptops they will start to satisfy the professionals again since their last line is a joke when it comes to professional usage.
I am not impressed with High sierra and suggest to keep with Sierra for another month or two.
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The 5k version is the 8 core, smallest build.

RAM isn't a FRU apparently.

We'll see what "normal" iMacs Apple will offer next year.

8-core will be mainstream next year - though the thermal design of the "normal" iMac might preclude the installation of anything more than 6-core.
The Swiss prices are now up German, French

The soldered RAM is a pain in the neck. I've upgraded the RAM of almost every system I've ever had, and on the more expensive stuff that helps with keeping inside budgets.
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I am not impressed with High sierra and suggest to keep with Sierra for another month or two.
My current feeling is at the "fine for a home system, wouldn't like to risk my earnings on it" stage.
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Re: Mac Pro v Dell 7910

Mail.App is unusable for me in High Sierra.

It works, but I can't exit it anymore. I can't even reboot the system.

I've got to switch it off.

Everything worked with El Capitan (well, except that Safari was a bit unstable).
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Mail.App is unusable for me in High Sierra.

It works, but I can't exit it anymore. I can't even reboot the system.

I've got to switch it off.

Everything worked with El Capitan (well, except that Safari was a bit unstable).
Try holding down the Alt key (might be called Opt) while you right click on the Mail icon in the Dock. It should offer a "Force Quit" menu option.
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Try holding down the Alt key (might be called Opt) while you right click on the Mail icon in the Dock. It should offer a "Force Quit" menu option.
I can't even kill -9 it.

If I reboot, it will hang forever.
Until I press the power-button.

ps ax shows that the process is in state "E", which is "trying to exit".

I have got over one million emails on my IMAP server.
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Mail.App is unusable for me in High Sierra.

It works, but I can't exit it anymore. I can't even reboot the system.

I've got to switch it off.

Everything worked with El Capitan (well, except that Safari was a bit unstable).
Do a NVRAM reset:
"Shut down your Mac, then turn it on and immediately hold down these four keys together: Option, Command, P, and R. Keep holding the keys for about 20 seconds, during which your Mac might appear to restart. (If you have a Mac that plays a startup sound when you turn it on, you can release the keys after the second startup sound."
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I can't even kill -9 it.

If I reboot, it will hang forever.
Until I press the power-button.

ps ax shows that the process is in state "E", which is "trying to exit".
I had something similar with Safari the other week. It thought it was still doing a download, but that was never completing. Without being able to close Safari down properly, the only way to close the system was with the power button.

This sorted me out:
  • At the next login, hold Shift down. This stops macOS from restarting applications that were running at the last system closedown.
  • In Finder, Navigate to ~/Library/Saved Application State/ and look for the appropriate application file. For Mail look for a folder called something like com.apple.Mail.savedState
  • Delete that folder
  • Start the application concerned, and once it is running normally see if you can quit it.

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I have got over one million emails on my IMAP server.
Maybe you should look at alternatives. I'm a reasonably happy user of MailMate, something like CHF 55. Yes, there's a steep learning curve, but when I see other folks having problems with Apple Mail, it was money well spent. There is a trial version available, and although they don't explcitly say this, it only counts days you use it to send mail against the trial period (I used it in read-only mode for about 3 months before buying).

MailMate has a good support mailing list. The developer is very responsive to problems.
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Re: Mac Pro v Dell 7910

Tried this?
https://swissmacuser.ch/mail-macos-h.../#.WjaRMN_iaUk
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Mail.App is unusable for me in High Sierra.

It works, but I can't exit it anymore. I can't even reboot the system.

I've got to switch it off.

Everything worked with El Capitan (well, except that Safari was a bit unstable).
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Re: Mac Pro v Dell 7910

heres a great looking monitor



http://euro.dell.com/ch/de/corp/Peri...monitor&s=corp


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Well, we finally ordered it!

Thank you everybody for all the advice and comments. They were all appreciated and took this apple fanboy back into PC territory. I would be lying if I said it was straightforward. I am still not sure that I made the right move in leaving Mac OS for Windows but the apple premium could not be justified, even though it was made clear to me that if I wished to go down the Mac Pro route it was fine.

So, I am both excited and and a little anxious as to what is to come!

For those interested, here is what we finally settled on:

Intel Xeon E5-2660 v3 2.6 ghz
Intel SSD 750 series 800 gb PCI-Express (scratch disk)
Samsung 950 Pro 512 GB M.2 (main harddrive)
Ati Firepro W8100 graphics card
Crucial 64 gb ECC Registered Ram (DDR4 - 2133)
ASUS z10PE MB
WD red 8000gb harddrives (2) for onsite storage.
Lian-Li tower
Plus fans etc. etc.

We also have a dedicated online server(?) where I can upload everything so that it is also backed up there.

Monitor, I have my oldish Dell U3014 which will do until I have some more cash thrown my way next year!

Cheers everybody!!

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