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Old 18.08.2017, 13:01
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Re: Billag - how did they find out about me?

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Who says yours isn't a sublet? That would make for two different households, each with the requirement to pay.
A flat share sublet? No, still a single household.

Germany had such weird constructs in their old system where suddenly grown up children with a own TV had to pay even when they lived in the same apartment as their parents..
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Old 18.08.2017, 13:05
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Re: Billag - how did they find out about me?

Looks like they can sell your data. I have to use Google translate though so it's not all clear.

http://www.coop.ch/de/datenschutz.html
"All personal data collected via a website of the Coop Cooperative, Coop Vitality AG and Coop Mineraloel AG (Coop Pronto) can be combined with data on the same person, the Coop Cooperative, Coop Vitality AG and Coop Mineraloel AG (Coop Pronto) in a different context or by companies of the Coop Group (eg address data of the Coopzeitung, redeeming competitor salons, use of an online offer). The Coop Cooperative, Coop Vitality AG and Coop Mineraloel AG (Coop Pronto) have the right to supplement the collected data by professional addressers with additional features (such as household size, house ownership, age, income class, etc.) and to use them for marketing purposes ,"
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Old 18.08.2017, 13:25
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Re: Billag - how did they find out about me?

I've been ignoring and mocking them for coming on 20 years.

Maybe they will gte me one day, but the innings have been good in the meantime.

My impression of Billag is that they're mostly incompetent, they follow pre-learnt scripts that you can easily derail if you've been through them once before or can think a little bit faster than them.

I generally ignore their letters. Despit all the threats in those letters, and me ignoring all their deadlines, nothing bad has ever happened to me. Sometimes when they call I pretend I'm not at home, but when I feel like a bit of trolling I go out and talk to them. They never send the same person twice. So I reckon I may alraedy have a bit of a reputation over there, and they only send me the newbies as a sort of rite of initiation.
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Old 18.08.2017, 14:40
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Re: Billag - how did they find out about me?

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Looks like they can sell your data. I have to use Google translate though so it's not all clear.

http://www.coop.ch/de/datenschutz.html
"All personal data collected via a website of the Coop Cooperative, Coop Vitality AG and Coop Mineraloel AG (Coop Pronto) can be combined with data on the same person, the Coop Cooperative, Coop Vitality AG and Coop Mineraloel AG (Coop Pronto) in a different context or by companies of the Coop Group (eg address data of the Coopzeitung, redeeming competitor salons, use of an online offer). The Coop Cooperative, Coop Vitality AG and Coop Mineraloel AG (Coop Pronto) have the right to supplement the collected data by professional addressers with additional features (such as household size, house ownership, age, income class, etc.) and to use them for marketing purposes ,"
I suspect you are right about Coop. I filled in a form in the supermarket and a month later got another more detailed form by post (which I put n the bin). But the damage has been done it seems.
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Old 18.08.2017, 14:52
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Re: Billag - how did they find out about me?

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I've been ignoring and mocking them for coming on 20 years.

Maybe they will gte me one day, but the innings have been good in the meantime.

My impression of Billag is that they're mostly incompetent, they follow pre-learnt scripts that you can easily derail if you've been through them once before or can think a little bit faster than them.

I generally ignore their letters. Despit all the threats in those letters, and me ignoring all their deadlines, nothing bad has ever happened to me. Sometimes when they call I pretend I'm not at home, but when I feel like a bit of trolling I go out and talk to them. They never send the same person twice. So I reckon I may alraedy have a bit of a reputation over there, and they only send me the newbies as a sort of rite of initiation.
Your post had me laughing
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Old 18.08.2017, 17:13
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Re: Billag - how did they find out about me?

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Looks like they can sell your data. I have to use Google translate though so it's not all clear.

http://www.coop.ch/de/datenschutz.html
"All personal data collected via a website of the Coop Cooperative, Coop Vitality AG and Coop Mineraloel AG (Coop Pronto) can be combined with data on the same person, the Coop Cooperative, Coop Vitality AG and Coop Mineraloel AG (Coop Pronto) in a different context or by companies of the Coop Group (eg address data of the Coopzeitung, redeeming competitor salons, use of an online offer). The Coop Cooperative, Coop Vitality AG and Coop Mineraloel AG (Coop Pronto) have the right to supplement the collected data by professional addressers with additional features (such as household size, house ownership, age, income class, etc.) and to use them for marketing purposes ,"
Not unless Billag is member of the Coop group now
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Re: Billag - how did they find out about me?

This Billag thing is just ridiculous. Why the #uck no one ever proposed a referendum to kill it?
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They did recently, it was turned down... TIS
No the vote hasn't happened yet.
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Old 19.08.2017, 10:10
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Re: Billag - how did they find out about me?

Not everyone in Switzerland is happy paying these largely compulsory fees. A campaign was mounted to eliminate them before being dropped in May 2015. In June 2015, a referendum designed to make households automatically liable when they register their presence at the commune office, was accepted by a small majority. Currently those with no television or radio devices, including appropriately equipped computers, donít have to pay. Under the new rules, not yet in force, only diplomats, some beneficiaries and a few others will be exempt. Not owning certain devices wonít get you off the hook.

In January 2016, a new referendum officially passed the requited hurdle of 100,000 valid signatures allowing a popular vote on whether to keep the fee or not. Those behind the No Billag initiative aim to eliminate the broadcasting fee. The initiative wonít appear on voting slips before late 2018 at the earliest however.

You are right, the other vote confused me,

http://lenews.ch/2017/02/21/swiss-br...nt-commission/
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Old 19.08.2017, 13:08
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Even deaf and blind people have to pay Billag!

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Not unless Billag is member of the Coop group now
Coop share data with "Partner Unternehmen". Who these partners share data with is anyone's guess.

After reading the Sunrise AGB, it seems that they can share my data unless I specifically request that they do not.

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Old 19.08.2017, 13:52
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Re: Billag - how did they find out about me?

You don't need to call them regarding the address change. You can do it online:
https://www.billag.ch/private/changing-address/
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Old 19.08.2017, 21:01
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Re: Billag - how did they find out about me?

same shit happened to me... coop and 1 month later billag. The thing is i don't even know if it has been previously paid. I entered this apt 2 months ago. How to act?
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Old 19.08.2017, 21:10
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Re: Billag - how did they find out about me?

I got my first letter several months ago after 12 years in Switzerland, the address and name were correct. Filled the online form and when it won't let me submit without the date of birth I entered a date that makes me 13 years old, changed the address to something in another canton that's 200 km away and declared that I have neither a radio nor a TV. Haven't heard back from them since.
Had no new contracts signed in more than 5 years with any of the internet/mobile providers nor Coop so it's really a mystery where they got the current address from. My guess is that some communes started giving them data even though it's not 2019 yet.
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Old 21.08.2017, 21:13
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Re: Billag - how did they find out about me?

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After several years in Switzerland I received my first letter from Billag yesterday. I would really like to know how they got my contact details. The only things I can think of are that I recently got a new mobile phone from Sunrise and I also recently applied for a Coop "Supercard". Is it possible that Sunrise or Coop sold my data to Billag?

Billag have asked me to fill out a form on their website and have given me a date in September to have it done by. What (if anything) happens if I just ignore this letter?

I am not dodging paying Billag as it is paid by another person in my household.
You have probably swisscom.... There you go!
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Old 22.08.2017, 10:09
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No, I have sunrise.
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Old 22.08.2017, 10:20
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I told them......
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Re: Billag - how did they find out about me?

Billag as far as I can tell is a hidden tax. Therefore the list of Swiss residents not paying it must be very small, so easy for them to work on the names they dont get a payment from.

Its more likely to be Sunrise your data has flagged up than Coop. I think Billag you have an obligation to pay if you have the possibility to recieve a phone, radio signal and or wifi, mobile phone signal with internet etc etc

So if your phone has data, then you are supposed to pay Billag. Theres really no way around it and it is a bit of a joke.
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My guess is that some communes started giving them data even though it's not 2019 yet.
As far as I know the town halls have always supplied this information on request.
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Coop share data with "Partner Unternehmen". Who these partners share data with is anyone's guess.

After reading the Sunrise AGB, it seems that they can share my data unless I specifically request that they do not.
It could well be the credit checking agencies they use, or someone with access to the databases those agencies share amongst themselves.
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