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Sooner or later they always find you. No idea how though. I hate Billag, yet I pay.
Usually later or possibly never, especially if you do not register/respond/answer the door etc.
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Old 29.08.2017, 18:18
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Sooner or later they always find you. No idea how though. I hate Billag, yet I pay.
They may find you, but they can't generally do much if you stand your ground and don't fall for their sweet sales pitch.

I've had very many on my doorstep over the years and seen and heard many strange things. Maybe I'll write a book on it some day.
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With less than 18 months to go it's hardly worth anyone paying Billag anymore in any case, let alone new people signing up! Just wait for Serafe to start invoicing!
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Re: Billag - how did they find out about me?

So guys, I'm new to Switzerland and I've been told that I should sign up on my own otherwise after some year the letter could come and I'd have to payback all those years... is that true? Can I just ignore them? Or I should start paying once I will get a letter? I'm gonna have a TV...
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So guys, I'm new to Switzerland and I've been told that I should sign up on my own otherwise after some year the letter could come and I'd have to payback all those years... is that true? Can I just ignore them? Or I should start paying once I will get a letter? I'm gonna have a TV...
Some people only pay the cheaper radio part, some people don't even pay that. In the unlikely event of being caught, there is a fine.
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I have heard that a criminal charge will be raised against " no Payers " and registered. So if you ever have to get an apartment or work and have to prove that you never had a criminal charge against you then it can make some big problems.
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I have heard that a criminal charge will be raised against " no Payers " and registered. So if you ever have to get an apartment or work and have to prove that you never had a criminal charge against you then it can make some big problems.
Only if you are caught or if you register as having devices and then do not pay (which of course would be very silly). If you are not registered at all then nothing happens. In my experience they do not invoice you if you are not registered.
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I have heard that a criminal charge will be raised against " no Payers " and registered. .
No, just 5000 CHF fine + any legal costs I'm sure would be passed

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just?
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Exactly. A criminal record would be much worse
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5000 CHF . Thats a whole days wages for me!!
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Old 30.08.2017, 10:26
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I believe it is going to be based on where you are resident. So you pay once where you are registered as being resident and that should be all. Where you actually spend most of your time, where you sleep, watch TV, listen to radio, surf, work etc. should all be irrelevant.
Thanks, but now I have another question. In the case of someone who rents a furnished room from a "Wochenaufenthalter", who is liable to pay the billag for that apartment? Or is billag not payable at all in this case?
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Thanks, but now I have another question. In the case of someone who rents a furnished room from a "Wochenaufenthalter", who is liable to pay the billag for that apartment? Or is billag not payable at all in this case?
https://www.billag.ch/private/faq/

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Is there an obligation to pay the fees if I live in a shared accommodation? The radio and television fees are paid per household and not per device. This also applies to shared accommodations. This means that one of the room-mates has to register and receives the invoice while the other people in the household are listed as room-mates on the invoice. If anyone moves in or out of your shared accommodation, please let us know on time and in writing.
you see. i went the extra mile and actually looked on the Billag website, which is available in English.
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Only if you are caught or if you register as having devices and then do not pay (which of course would be very silly). If you are not registered at all then nothing happens. In my experience they do not invoice you if you are not registered.
This, exactly.

Despite the law being set up to favour Billag, the onus is still on them to prove anything. And Billag has chosen to take the route of befuddlement rather than honesty. Misleading stuff on their website and the guys they send to your door are either not properly educated as to the law or are being intentionally stupid. So in other words Billag is its own worst enemy.
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With less than 18 months to go it's hardly worth anyone paying Billag anymore in any case, let alone new people signing up! Just wait for Serafe to start invoicing!
The big question is going to be, who exactly is Serafe? Are they just going to be Billag reloaded and equipped with extra superpowers. How much of the staff, management and thinking are being transferred?
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The big question is going to be, who exactly is Serafe? Are they just going to be Billag reloaded and equipped with extra superpowers. How much of the staff, management and thinking are being transferred?
I understand that it is compulsory from 1.1.19, so presumably everyone who is resident in Switzerland will be invoiced and anyone who doesn't pay will be sent a debt collection notice. It will all become much more automatic. No checking, no saying you don't have a TV/radio etc. Plus the charge itself goes down to under 400 francs.
Still a lot of money if you don't use TV and/or radio at all and/or if you have never paid it.
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Re: Billag - how did they find out about me?

AFAIK, Serafe is a completely new company set up specifically to collect the licence fee. Staff from Billag in Freiburg will have the opportunity to transfer to Serafe in Zurich if they wish but probably not many will take up this option.
Serafe is a subsidiary of Secon which currently collects fees for health insurance company. It is now working on installing a completely new IT system which will be operational by 2019.
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What I dont understand is why there is a fee for Radio, a fee for Television and then a fee for Radio and Television. Seems really stupid to me, just have one reasonable connected everything fee. But they should really just call it what it is, a "tax", and not a "if you pay you're getting some really high quality Swiss programming". Thats the bit I resent, I very rarely watch Swiss programming and then its usually the weather, but mostly because it is rather crap. I never resented paying the TV license fee in the UK, mostly because I appreciate a lot of the BBC's efforts.
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I believe it is going to be based on where you are resident. So you pay once where you are registered as being resident and that should be all. Where you actually spend most of your time, where you sleep, watch TV, listen to radio, surf, work etc. should all be irrelevant.
I don't know if this is accurate, but I would have thought that the town halls will furnish the data of who is resident there to Serafe in this sense, so that everyone is registered once (only) for this charge.

There's talk of further exemptions during a transitory period though for who is on low income or for who has never paid it. Some people obviously have never paid it as they don't have TVs or radios.
Sorry to double-post. Not sure how to add to previous one (or if possible).
Nearly and mostly correct. The one thing you got wrong is that it us still not a person tax but a household tax. If you have more than one household you must pay twice. The new law is available in English (nonbinding translation)
Art. 68 and Art. 69a are of relevance.
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a68

The later points to the Register Harmonisation Act (also available in English https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...012/index.html) and its ordinace (not available in English https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...637/index.html) how a private household is defined.

The definition of private houshold can be found in Art. 2 of the ordinance:
"Gesamtheit der Personen, die in derselben Wohnung in demselben Gebäude wohnen;" All the people living in the same dwelling/apartment in the same building. Each "Wohnung (dwelling)" has its own register identification number.

Surprisingly the law and ordinance neither define "Wohnung (dwelling)" nor "wohnen (living)" in any further way (at least I did not see it). A definition what counts as a Wohnung can be found in the Second Home Act https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...036/index.html
By this definition a Wohnung must be/needs: Suitable for living, a structural unity, a entrance for its own or through communal space, a cooking place, immovable.

That could mean good news for all your boys and girls living in a trailer park: No need for a TV license even after 01.01.2019.
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What I dont understand is why there is a fee for Radio, a fee for Television and then a fee for Radio and Television.
Seems really stupid to me, just have one reasonable connected everything fee.
There is only a fee for radio and a fee for TV. There is no fee for Radio and TV. But you can pay both fee with the same bill. It is a historical remedy from times long gone. And partly because of that it has been changed and your wish fulfilled.

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But they should really just call it what it is, a "tax", and not a "if you pay you're getting some really high quality Swiss programming". Thats the bit I resent, I very rarely watch Swiss programming and then its usually the weather, but mostly because it is rather crap. I never resented paying the TV license fee in the UK, mostly because I appreciate a lot of the BBC's efforts.
You do not pay for Swiss radio or Swiss TV, you pay for the reception of any TV or radio station. Form anywhere on this planet and beyond. Nobody says you get good programming, they only say that you are allowed to watch any TV station (if you have TV license) or regular radio station (if you have a Radio license). The license does not give you any entitlement to any Swiss program nor quality.
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