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Billag - how did they find out about me?

After several years in Switzerland I received my first letter from Billag yesterday. I would really like to know how they got my contact details. The only things I can think of are that I recently got a new mobile phone from Sunrise and I also recently applied for a Coop "Supercard". Is it possible that Sunrise or Coop sold my data to Billag?

Billag have asked me to fill out a form on their website and have given me a date in September to have it done by. What (if anything) happens if I just ignore this letter?

I am not dodging paying Billag as it is paid by another person in my household.
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Re: Billag - how did they find out about me?

If it is paid by another person then why not simply tell them that? They already have your name and address as do numerous other businesses and institutions in CH.
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If it is paid by another person then why not simply tell them that?
Because Billag is a private company and I don't see why I have to tell them anything. They already know who pays Billag for my household and are just looking to have me take care of an administrative task for them in order to reduce their costs.
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Because Billag is a private company and I don't see why I have to tell them anything. They already know who pays Billag for my household and are just looking to have me take care of an administrative task for them in order to reduce their costs.
So basically you are willing to cause yourself more stress by fretting about it and ignoring them, thus making them contact you repeatedly, than by sorting it out with a simple call and making sure they don't contact you further... all out of some misguided 'principle'. Makes perfect sense.
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Old 18.08.2017, 10:48
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Re: Billag - how did they find out about me?

According to the data protection act you can just ask them what the source of the data was, and they have to tell you.

235.11 Ordinance of 14 June 1993 to the Federal Act on Data Protection (OFADP)
https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...159/index.html

235.1 Federal Act of 19 June 1992 on Data Protection (FADP) (art 8 sect 2)
https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi.../index.html#a8
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Because Billag is a private company and I don't see why I have to tell them anything. They already know who pays Billag for my household and are just looking to have me take care of an administrative task for them in order to reduce their costs.
How would they know you're sharing the household with someone?
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How would they know you're sharing the household with someone?
Because someone with the same address has already paid Billag?
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Because someone with the same address has already paid Billag?
cool. that would mean that only 1 family per apartment building needs to pay Billag
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Old 18.08.2017, 11:03
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cool. that would mean that only 1 family per apartment building needs to pay Billag
No, the tax is per household.
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No, the tax is per household.
ok. i went the extra mile and actually had a look at the Billag website.

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Old 18.08.2017, 11:13
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Because someone with the same address has already paid Billag?
Goodie, there are 5 people paying Billag in my house already. I'll let them know next year.

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No, the tax is per household.
You want them to look into your taxes?
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Old 18.08.2017, 11:15
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After several years in Switzerland I received my first letter from Billag yesterday. I would really like to know how they got my contact details.
With the new law Art. 69g RTVA they can get the addresses directly from the commune. https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...ndex.html#a69g
But till January 1st. 2019 the old law from 2016 applies. Art. 86 RTVO
https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...index.html#a86

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Because someone with the same address has already paid Billag?
And how can they know how many apartments/flats are located at that specific address

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Because Billag is a private company and I don't see why I have to tell them anything.
Because the law says so. Art.68 RTVA Version 2016 (not available in English) https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...000/784.40.pdf
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Old 18.08.2017, 11:20
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Biiiig Billag is waaaatching YOUuuuuuUUUUU!
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Old 18.08.2017, 11:23
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ok. i went the extra mile and actually had a look at the Billag website.
Billag is a private company. What they put on their website does not necessarily reflect a legal obligation.

According to beobachter.ch

"Muss man das Online-Formular der Billag ausfüllen?
Nein."

"Must one fill out the online billag form?" "Nein"

https://www.beobachter.ch/konsum/mul...ular-ausfullen
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Old 18.08.2017, 11:25
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Because the law says so. Art.68 RTVA Version 2016 (not available in English) https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...000/784.40.pdf
44 pages in that .pdf. Can you be more specific?
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44 pages in that .pdf. Can you be more specific?
How more specific than Art. 68 can I go

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Billag is a private company. What they put on their website does not necessarily reflect a legal obligation.

According to beobachter.ch

"Muss man das Online-Formular der Billag ausfüllen?
Nein."

"Must one fill out the online billag form?" "Nein"

https://www.beobachter.ch/konsum/mul...ular-ausfullen
You are as bad as Billag Mr. Rambo.

Correct answers to the question "Do I have to tell Billag anything?" are:

Yes, if your situation regarding needing a Radio license or a TV license has changed or the information Billag has is incorrect you must tell them.

No, if nothing has changed regarding needing a Radio license or a TV license and the information Billag has is correct you do not have to tell them any shit and they can bugger off. You do not have to reaffirm that the information is correct.
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Old 18.08.2017, 11:36
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And how can they know how many apartments/flats are located at that specific address
This information is available in the "Grundbuch" (Land Register)
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Old 18.08.2017, 11:37
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44 pages in that .pdf. Can you be more specific?
2. Kapitel: Empfangsgebühren
Article 68 ff.
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This information is available in the "Grundbuch" (Land Register)
Which they do not have access to

But SERAFE (successor of Billag) will get the residency register which has the information who lives in which household.
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Because someone with the same address has already paid Billag?
Who says yours isn't a sublet? That would make for two different households, each with the requirement to pay.
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