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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

From what I read, currently it's:


Cable: looks more or less cheap, but can be slow by neighboors AND you must pay 26chf for TV line.

Adsl: old technology now, speed depends on distance to the phone terminal, relatively cheap for the "fast" internet.

Vdsl: better, newer, but depends on "copper line" quality, AND being already outdated technology (they won't install new Vdsl lines)

Adsl 2+, better, doesn't need to be close to terminal, etc... Expansive

FTHF: Fiber Optic! very fast, but only available in Zurich or limited test area... Expansive but relatively inexpansive compare to ADSL (as you don't need to pay phone line here...)




For Lausanne, it sucks, they dont have that good offer Orange Home, 69chf for 30MB internet... At best you get 39chf for 5mb +25chf line phone...

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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

Cable, ADSL, VDSL, ADSL2+ are ALL shared platforms, where the total number of users currently consuming bandwidth impact the available bandwidth for each individual.

This is how the Telcos bring the price of bandwidth down to 30-100 CHF per month

Fiber to the home (FTTH) is ALSO based on shared bandwidth in order to keep the costs down

COMPARE:

100 Mbps on a shared system = around 100 CHF per month

100 Mbps on fiber, with guaranteed bandwidth, = 10 to 50 times the price (1,000 to 5,000 CHF per month)

The factor 10 to 50 is exactly what the Telcos use to make the shared systems much cheaper: they take the guaranteed bandwidth and divide the costs amongst the anticipated amount of shared users - this is called over-selling or over-subscription, and is practised by every Telco around the world.

If you really want to find out which Telco and Technology performs the best for a home connection, you need to find out what over-subscription ratios the telcos use - and they all keep this info very very secret
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FTHF: Fiber Optic! very fast, but only available in Zurich or limited test area... Expansive but relatively inexpansive compare to ADSL (as you don't need to pay phone line here...)
Who's providing this and is it available in Zürich at the moment? Swisscom, Cablecom, EWZ?
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Who's providing this and is it available in Zürich at the moment? Swisscom, Cablecom, EWZ?
http://www.google.ch/search?sourceid...&q=zurich+ftth
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From what I read, currently it's:


Cable: looks more or less cheap, but can be slow by neighboors AND you must pay 26chf for TV line.
You don;t need to pay for this if you don't want it - we don't.

We consistently get the advertised speeds.

Cablecom does, however, have other 'issues' but I think they're responding to the deluge of complaints.
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Well, yes, I know how to use Google thanks. And indeed I tried it before I posted before. Those links are in German though :-(
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You don;t need to pay for this if you don't want it - we don't.
So I can cancel my TV subscription with CableCom (about CHF26 for analogue) and have only cable internet??
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So I can cancel my TV subscription with CableCom (about CHF26 for analogue) and have only cable internet??
We have Cable internet and telephone.

Per month, we pay 23CHF for the telephone and 45CHF for the internet.
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Who's providing this and is it available in Zürich at the moment? Swisscom, Cablecom, EWZ?
http://www1.orange.ch/residential_in...me_orange-home


Orange Internet

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See what it's like to browse while simultaneously sending and receiving all your data (films, photos, pictures and music). The speed is incredible. Orange Internet brings you tomorrow's online access today.
  • 30,000 kbit/s from CHF 59.-/month
Orange Fix telephony

Telephone all networks, any time, at low rates. Enjoy chatting from your fixed line with all the advantages of fix telephony but without paying fixed line subscription.
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You don;t need to pay for this if you don't want it - we don't.

We consistently get the advertised speeds.

Cablecom does, however, have other 'issues' but I think they're responding to the deluge of complaints.
With cablecom then, which is not available in Lausannne.

I asked the "citycable", and they told me I must pay for both, that it's not possible to get Internet via cable without paying for TV subscribtion.
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

I am using DSL @ Mobile and I am more than happy . The download speed I pay for is 5000 kbit/s but because I live near the poste the speed is constantly over 7000 kbit/s.
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I am using DSL @ Mobile and I am more than happy . The download speed I pay for is 5000 kbit/s but because I live near the poste the speed is constantly over 7000 kbit/s.
Hi!

Did you mean "DSL and NATEL"?

Looks good actually... I mean it's not as good as orange 30mb for 59chf line included, but here seems to be the best option...
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You don;t need to pay for this if you don't want it - we don't.

We consistently get the advertised speeds.

Cablecom does, however, have other 'issues' but I think they're responding to the deluge of complaints.

Today, I got official confirmation for Cable internet in Lausanne:

You need to pay the extra tv fee for having Internet with them. because this is a bit like "phone line of 25.5chf": you need to pay the line for getting internet, and with that line you already get TV.

Sounds not right but thats the only solution!

In the contract, part 3 of general conditions:
(In french, Suisse Romande)

"point 3. de nos conditions générales : « l’accès Internet est indissociable du raccordement et de l’abonnement au téléréseau, dont le coût n’est pas compris dans l’abonnement. » "

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blabla pay more, pay for tv line even if you dont need to, or you wont get internet with us. Therefore pay additional 26chf fee on top of internet fee.
Thanks for paying to us.
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

Corsebou -- I'm newly arrived in Lausanne, and we initially were going to go with citycable, but were just told about the extra 26chf for unwanted tv today. A landline for telephone would also be unwanted.

It seems like you've done all the research for what's available in Lausanne; please tell us what you ended up going with.

(Or should I just continue using the strange, on-again, off-again open wifi network with decent signal in our apartment, from which I write? Or maybe I should learn how to crack network keys ... )

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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

I've just noticed that Cablecom have dropped their prices for a 20mb connection. I'm paying CHF75 a month, but now they're offering it at CHF50.

I guess it's up to me to contact them and switch to the lower price . . . they're not going to lower it automatically?
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Corsebou -- I'm newly arrived in Lausanne, and we initially were going to go with citycable, but were just told about the extra 26chf for unwanted tv today. A landline for telephone would also be unwanted.

It seems like you've done all the research for what's available in Lausanne; please tell us what you ended up going with.

(Or should I just continue using the strange, on-again, off-again open wifi network with decent signal in our apartment, from which I write? Or maybe I should learn how to crack network keys ... )
I haven't chose anything yet!!!

They now want installation charges (150-200chf) as I can't get the old tenant phone number.
I got his name, and the name of previous previous tenants, which had Internet AND landline... can't find them on "annuaire" (white pages), and swisscom say they dont find them (obviously...). Agency were in conflict with previous previous tenants, and wont give me their mobile number...


Sunrise (59chf for 5MB, LINE included) seems the cheaper.
I would skip the comments from SwissPeople "sunrise" sucks, because they are addicted to Swisscom and they are offering biaised comments.

Maybe Sunrise helpdesk sucks (I dont know) but connection should be fine and reliable.

Also, Sunrise online gives 100chf less...


Comparys, says VTX is cheaper (34chf) BUT add 26chf for line, add 4chf for vtxbox rental, and add 75chf for "installation" (6.25chf approx per month).
so it's 66.25chf for 5MB....
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I haven't chose anything yet!!!

I would skip the comments from SwissPeople "sunrise" sucks, because they are addicted to Swisscom and they are offering biaised comments.

Maybe Sunrise helpdesk sucks (I dont know) but connection should be fine and reliable.

Also, Sunrise online gives 100chf less...
Thanks for the reply. In the meantime we have gone with Sunrise, which does seem to catch a lot of negative reviews from Swiss folks. We already had them as our mobile service provider, and adding landline phone (which we don't really need or want, but which is mandatory for an adsl connection) and adsl internet was maybe 50chf additional over the existing mobile contract. Not bad. Also I was told that it's been announced that Sunrise has been or will be acquired by Orange sometime this summer, so that might mean something for their customer service. On the other hand, our attempt to take advantage of this 100chf offer for signing up online ... their website curtly informed us that we could not accomplish this task online.
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

At the instigation of our landlord Swisspro installed Swisscom fibre optic lines in our apartment block last week.

The landlord doesn't know though when we'll be able to use it or what services Swisscom will offer.

I tried searching Swisscom's website, but couldn't see any concrete information there.

Has anyone any ideas?
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

VTX (www.vtx.ch) is an ADSL provider I have used for one year now in Basel. I use them for primary phone and broadband. Their customer service has been excellent and flexible. I do not use the router they provided, but rather my own router.

I also use cablecom for secondary phone line and broadband backup. My router provides for backup WAN connection as well as for load balancing.

Personally, I would not use cablecom for broadband if I did not have my own router/firewall between their cable modem and my home network. The cablecom network is not as secure and has more broadcasts, DoS attacks than VTX.

For ADSL, I would never use the incumbents (PTT) retail service. Rather I would always find a reliable private company such as VTX. Swisscom, like any PTT will likely filter traffic. Private companies buy their capacity wholesale, so have control over the retail service delivery. VTX does not filter any traffic.

It is also important to note that when comparing cable versus ADSL solutions, within a market (eg. Switzerland) they commonly share the same wholesale providers. The differences are in the medium delivered to your home, price, quality of service (for the retail side of the network managed by the company) and customer service.
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VTX (www.vtx.ch) is an ADSL provider I have used for one year now in Basel. I use them for primary phone and broadband. Their customer service has been excellent and flexible. I do not use the router they provided, but rather my own router.

I also use cablecom for secondary phone line and broadband backup. My router provides for backup WAN connection as well as for load balancing.

Personally, I would not use cablecom for broadband if I did not have my own router/firewall between their cable modem and my home network. The cablecom network is not as secure and has more broadcasts, DoS attacks than VTX.

For ADSL, I would never use the incumbents (PTT) retail service. Rather I would always find a reliable private company such as VTX. Swisscom, like any PTT will likely filter traffic. Private companies buy their capacity wholesale, so have control over the retail service delivery. VTX does not filter any traffic.

It is also important to note that when comparing cable versus ADSL solutions, within a market (eg. Switzerland) they commonly share the same wholesale providers. The differences are in the medium delivered to your home, price, quality of service (for the retail side of the network managed by the company) and customer service.
Thanks...
BUT:
VTX= cheapest offer as per "comparys":
34chf for web.
+25.25 for line
+75chf (=6.25 permonths) for admin install fee
+4chf box rental
=70chf per months.

Sunrise=59chf per month, line included...

Plus the electrician fee...

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