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Old 20.09.2006, 15:22
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Re: Get 2 months free or CHF100 from Cablecon

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Damn - I wondered why I couldn't match these posts when I searched - AdFab - it's Cablecom not Cablecon - only a small difference, but makes a big difference if you are trying to search on that term!
Because of their marketing techniques - like offering new subscribers better terms than ones that have supported them for years and charging CHF100 to downgrade their internet access - they will be forever CableCon...
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Old 20.09.2006, 15:31
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Re: Get 2 months free or CHF100 from Cablecon

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Because of their marketing techniques - like offering new subscribers better terms than ones that have supported them for years and charging CHF100 to downgrade their internet access - they will be forever CableCon...
you must hate Sky too then, and other subscription-based companies?

Signup is often more important than churn rates so newbies get a good deal and oldies "suffer".

You're right about the 100 francs though, that's just cheeky. It's not, however, clear if that applies with 3 months notice of change.
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Old 20.09.2006, 15:34
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

What kind of real world upload and download speeds are you getting from cablecom?
Anyone willing to take this test and give me their results? From my Sunrise ADSL connection I am getting-

Download speed- 1.8 Mbps
Upload speed- 501 Kbps

I just want to see what my options are when my Sunrise contract runs out. I want more bandwidth :-)
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Old 20.09.2006, 15:36
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Re: Get 2 months free or CHF100 from Cablecon

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Signup is often more important than churn rates so newbies get a good deal and oldies "suffer".
And ditto for mobile phone companies... I know Cablecom can sometimes be aggressive and their downgrade policies and cancellation policies can sometimes seem strict. But no more strict that the stich-up that we get from many companies in this country!

I'm just glad that Cablecom keeps the pressure up on the Swisscom monopoly. If it weren't for them we'd still have slow speeds and high prices!
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Old 20.09.2006, 15:41
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

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Download speed- 1.8 Mbps
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On swisscom ADSL
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Old 20.09.2006, 15:42
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

Cablecom are a monoploy themselves. How can you get TV in say Kilchberg (ZH) where roof-top areals are banned? Sky is 'illegal' and the bluewin system is new and not much of a challenge atm...
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Old 20.09.2006, 15:43
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

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What kind of real world upload and download speeds are you getting from cablecom?
Anyone willing to take this test and give me their results? From my Sunrise ADSL connection I am getting-
Bambi - you've chosen a test site based in the US - not the most scientific way to test. I have 5000/500 from cablecom, but on your test I got 3000/550. I used a Swiss-basd test and got 5000 as my download speed. I can confirm that yesterday I was downloading a large file and got 600Kbyte/s (5000kbit). Remember that if the test site is too far away, during the test you might be competing for a bandwidth with other people using a link to US, this could make the test results untrustworthy. I've periodically tested my link and found it to give me the advertised speeds - but this may vary depending on where you live and how many other people are on the cable.
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

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What kind of real world upload and download speeds are you getting from cablecom?
Anyone willing to take this test and give me their results? From my Sunrise ADSL connection I am getting-

Download speed- 1.8 Mbps
Upload speed- 501 Kbps

I just want to see what my options are when my Sunrise contract runs out. I want more bandwidth :-)
for an advertised 5000/500 service on speed tests locally (http://perftest.cablecom.ch) I get 4500/520 speeds and with wider latency I get lower download speeds but consistently hit 500+kbps upload speed.

I think it's been mentioned elsewhere but I've nuked one cable modem (replaced FOC), one power supply (replaced FOC) and the service has dropped no more than 4 times per year maximum.

And because I have Digital Phone, I have an 800 number to call when all goes wrong.
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Old 20.09.2006, 15:44
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

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Cablecom are a monoploy themselves. How can you get TV in say Kilchberg (ZH) where roof-top areals are banned? Sky is 'illegal' and the bluewin system is new and not much of a challenge atm...
"aerials". True - on TV delivery they have a monopoly. But not for Internet (this is an internet thread after all)
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

http://www.wugnet.com/myspeed/speedtest.asp

I get 2.42Mpbs down
and 358Mpbs up

Hispeed 3000
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Old 20.09.2006, 15:49
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

plus, AbFab, Sky is not illegal - just a breach of contractual terms

What is, allegedly, illegal is the decoding of pay channels without a subscription. Oops....
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

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Bambi - you've chosen a test site based in the US
Yeah but it is same for all of us when we take the test...no?

Anyway Abfab's test shows that you are getting better download speeds with Cableco(m/n).

Anyone offering higher upload speed than the 500 Kbps everyone seems to be getting?
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Old 20.09.2006, 15:56
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

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What is, allegedly, illegal is the decoding of pay channels without a subscription. Oops....
And how does one do that? I had a 'mate' once who found a way to get the pay per view films and sport from Sky for free, this mate told his in-laws about this method and the said in-law who is a typical tight fisted northerner thought it was a great idea and watched lots of free movies etc... then for some reason (I can't remember why) he had to plug his box back in to the telephone line which then somehow updated his account with all the films he had watched and he got a HUGE bill, needless to say my 'mate' wasn't in his in-laws best books after that
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

Nicky - the 9 volt battery trick? More fool your mate

http://www.heyrick.co.uk/ricksworld/...x/hackery.html
http://www.floodle.net/extra/ebayinfo/UnlockSky.html covers those "hacks" - "deferring payment" is what I'd say it is.


But this is a thread about cablecom internet -vs- ADSL internet
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Old 20.09.2006, 16:05
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

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Yeah but it is same for all of us when we take the test...no?

Anyway Abfab's test shows that you are getting better download speeds with Cableco(m/n).

Anyone offering higher upload speed than the 500 Kbps everyone seems to be getting?
No it's not the same results. I got 2Mbps better when I didn't use the US-based test. Adfab used the US test. You don't know how busy those lines to the US are, or how it changes per time of day. Lob's test site is the most accurate way to test a cable-based line since the test servers live at cablecom.

If you are looking for higher upstream bandwidth it's usually hard to find. Cablecom has always offerred much more upstream than the competing offers, and has always been cheaper. For example 3500/300 with Sunrise is 69/month. Cablecom has 3000/300 for 22.50 (normally 45). Sunrise offer a 2000/100 product for 49/month - I wouldn't touch that with a barge-poll! A 20:1 down/up ratio. The average punter wouldn't realise how bad that is - due to the way TCP's sliding window works download speeds will come crashing down as soon as the upstream gets close to full capacity. I used to see this behaviour back when I had 512/128 - only 4:1 ratio. Once you get up above 300k upstream the effect is less noticeable.

So if you are thinking of switching to cablecom can I be first in line to refer you and get the 2 month bonus? Note that cablecom allow you to combine all the others. Last time someone I know combined the low price for a year, with the free calls and the referal bonus - three offers at once!
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

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Yep thats the one!!
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

Sorry Bambi - you asked about more upstream. If you want more upstream you have to go to the business products. SDSL from sunrise 1200/1200 and 1800/1800 at 419 and 519 per month respectively. Cablecom: 3000/800 and 4000/1000 are 220 and 390 respectively.

A bit pricey unless you have a really good reason for that much upstream. The server that runs this site has around 50 domains on it and usually uses around 500kbps (but it supplies a lot of downloads for one particular site). Without that site it would use 50-100kpbs. I have 100Mbit available though

Apart from improved bit torrent ratios I can't see much point to go beyond 400-500Kbps on the upstream.
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yes, I concur that upstream rates (which are often extremely accurate on cablecom) is good for hosting a server. And their TOS does not preclude this unless it is for commercial purposes...

I have one server with 4 unique sites (6 domains) on it in my cellar
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

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http://www.wugnet.com/myspeed/speedtest.asp

I get 2.42Mpbs down
and 358Mpbs up

Hispeed 3000
FYI at Cablecom's own test (http://perftest.cablecom.ch/) I get:

3156 kBit/s down and
318 kBit/s up - which is lower than the US test!?!
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

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FYI at Cablecom's own test (http://perftest.cablecom.ch/) I get:

3156 kBit/s down and
318 kBit/s up - which is lower than the US test!?!
You shouldn't get too excited about small differences, each time you run the test it will be different. Remember that you have 3000/300, so those test results look correct.
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