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Re: ADSL Options ??

ADSL 3500 from swisscom is 49chf/mo

and yes you do need a swisscom line at 25chf/mo unless doing the cable thang.

Read your swisscom link again, and you'll realise your mistake.

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I was given some options from various ADSL providers.


The list goes this way.


1. Sunrise ADSL 3500 offer (49 CHF / month)
sunrise ADSL - Angebote und Preise
(I don't know if there are any separate costs for swisscom line)
One time Fee : Keine einmaligen Kosten


2. Private provider (Magnet.ch)
ADSL 3500 (49 CHF / month)
ADSL

One time fee : 149 CHF
Set-up Fee : 190 CHF

3. Swisscom
ADSL 3500 9 CHF / month)

Swisscom Online-Shop


Why do I see lot of fee variations ?? Am I getting wrong somewhere ??


Someone already having/availing one of these ADSL connection could help !
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Re: ADSL Options ??

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I was given some options from various ADSL providers.


The list goes this way.


1. Sunrise ADSL 3500 offer (49 CHF / month)
sunrise ADSL - Angebote und Preise
(I don't know if there are any separate costs for swisscom line)
One time Fee : Keine einmaligen Kosten


2. Private provider (Magnet.ch)
ADSL 3500 (49 CHF / month)
ADSL

One time fee : 149 CHF
Set-up Fee : 190 CHF

3. Swisscom
ADSL 3500 9 CHF / month)

Swisscom Online-Shop


Why do I see lot of fee variations ?? Am I getting wrong somewhere ??


Someone already having/availing one of these ADSL connection could help !
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I confirm what DaveA said.

With Swisscom it's 49CHF/month for 3500. The 9 CHF/month I think it's the one with no flat rate, you would pay something per every minute you are connected.

I personally chose Swisscom, because any other provider you take (Sunrise, Tele2, etc) would require the Swisscom fix telephone line anyway. I was told that in Switzerland the national company Swisscom still keeps the monopoly of the last kilometer (up to your home) of the phone wiring. The other providers then would force you to opt for the preselection (for example if you buy Tele2 Adsl then you will pay the Swisscom phone line every month but you would be allowed to make phone calls only through Tele2).

Then one more hint, if you go for Swisscom: I bought my "Blu Win Starter Kit" at the post office (in Baden, in my case) and I got the Wireless Modem/Router gratis with the subscription. If I had gone to a Swisscom shop, the only modem for free would have been the USB type.

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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

Thanks for the replies. I am gonna check with Cablecom & Swisscom today.


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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

Hi there, anyone else live in Wallisellen? What are the options there through the local Franchise?
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

Need to add a new option to the poll.
I have cable internet but not through cablecom, using Glattnet instead.
So far I have to give them a double thumbs up, outstanding service.
I think they serve Dubendorf, Dietlikon and Wallisellen..so to the above poster I would give them a ring to see if you can get internet through them.
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

Swisscom is aggressively expanding VDSL infrastrucure currently.
If you see some strange beige boxes recenly installed in your area - that's it.
Massive roll-out planned for this summer.
Speeds of 10/25/50 Mbit/s will allow multiple HD video channel streaming.
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Swisscom is aggressively expanding VDSL infrastrucure currently.
If you see some strange beige boxes recenly installed in your area - that's it.
Massive roll-out planned for this summer.
Speeds of 10/25/50 Mbit/s will allow multiple HD video channel streaming.
Launch: July 1st, initial speed 16Mbit/s

http://www.dmeurope.com/default.asp?...ass&Print=true
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

I'm looking into getting an ISP / phone provider as I'm moving into a new flat, and I noticed that cablecom has reduced the speed of their connection to match that of Bluewin! Both are now 3500... Interesting. They've eliminated the 5000 plan.
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Hi,

I'm looking for an ISP right now and I've seen many different options.. however, I don't know if they all serve the area I will live in. Is there any way to check? I'm about to move to Lausanne and I have looked on the Lausanne web page but I know it doesn't include all the possible ISPs...

Also, I see offers that include 'preselection' but what does this mean??



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Hi Hayley,
I´m in the same boat. On the cablecom.ch site it is possible to put in your address and see if they are serving you. Maybe someone can answer my question which is that after doing this I found that my "putative future home" is not served by cablecom. What does that mean? - can I install cablecom or will I have to take whatever cable company the building has opted for?
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Hi Hayley,
I´m in the same boat. On the cablecom.ch site it is possible to put in your address and see if they are serving you. Maybe someone can answer my question which is that after doing this I found that my "putative future home" is not served by cablecom. What does that mean? - can I install cablecom or will I have to take whatever cable company the building has opted for?
It means your new home is not connected to the Cablecom network - or if it is the property is not upgraded for cable internet. It might be on another cable company's system otherwise ADSL will be the answer...

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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

I've read through this and I'm going to have a look around the various providers, but I wondered what peoples "preferred" provider was?

I'm after an easy life, in the UK I had one of those deals where you get TV, phone and broadband in a block package - keeps it all nice and simple. I understand about the monopolies thing and that you pay line rental to Swisscom whoever you have your agreement with, but I know in Germany it works out miles cheaper to have your line with Deutsche Telekom and then use Tele2 for the calls and broadband - is it the same here??

My flat already has all the sockets etc in the rooms, so I think it would just be a case of getting myself signed up to a provider (or so it would seem) ?
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

OK, I've done a fair bit of research on this now - I've already decided to used Cablecom and not Swisscom/Bluewin, mainly because the Bluewin site won't speak to me in English so I can't do much research - but I'm not remotely technically minded so in simple terms, this is what I figured out - please can someone tell me if I'm wrong here and if there's any other costs I've missed?

Internet - Cablecom currently have 2 products, Hispeed 10000 (10000 down / 1000 up) at 65CHF or Hispeed 3500 (3500 down / 350 up) at 45CHF (both half price for the first 3 months)

Phone - Line rental is 20CHF (if you take their internet package as well), and to get cheap international calls is an extra 3CHF on the "International 50" plan

TV - The decoder box is 6CHF, or 20CHF (6CHF for the first 3 months) for the one with recording features. The channels are free, or you can pay an extra 15 CHF (half price for 1st 3 months) to get more UK channels (I think?)

So, if I get Hispeed 3500, Phone and Recordable-TV then its

22.50 + 23 + 6 + 7.50 = 59CHF for the first 3 months, and then

45 + 23 + 20 + 15 = 103CHF for the next 9 months, for a total of

59*3 + 103*9 = 1114CHF

Am I right on this? My employer has set a budget of 900CHF for the year for "Internet + Phone rental", if I say I can get Internet, Phone and TV for under 1200CHF then I think that will be OK. Otherwise I'm sure I can stretch to an extra 300CHF for the year to get Digital TV Also, how soon can they get this installed? Before 20th June if I call them this week, or should I be asking them that question...?

I know there's TV tax on top of this, again my boss has budgeted 40CHF per month for this, is this right?

Sorry for the double post, but I want to make sure I'm not missing anything costwise before I take this to my employer and get the ball rolling. Oh, and if the member4member thing is still going, then it's first come first served...
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

they usually turn it around quite quickly (basically they'll send a cable modem).

if you want internet in one room and phone in the other room, they will give you a second cable modem too, IIRC - but you can only get phone on one and internet on t'other.
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OK, I've done a fair bit of research on this now - I've already decided to used Cablecom and not Swisscom/Bluewin, mainly because the Bluewin site won't speak to me in English so I can't do much research - but I'm not remotely technically minded so in simple terms, this is what I figured out - please can someone tell me if I'm wrong here and if there's any other costs I've missed?

...

Sorry for the double post, but I want to make sure I'm not missing anything costwise before I take this to my employer and get the ball rolling. Oh, and if the member4member thing is still going, then it's first come first served...
Surely, new Cablecom terms/prices are very attractive if not aggressive.
However, the catch is that due to the tree-like topography of their networks they will not be able to provide advertised speeds.
Surge of demand will create a lot of bottlenecks which they will not be able to fix quickly enough (within 2-3 months).
My experience with Cablecom is that after first few months of flawless service I had 6 months of sluggish access. Most of the time I got 10-20 times lower speed (300-600 kbit/s instead of 6000), somethimes (eveningns and weekends) - no access AT ALL.
Cablecom recognised the problem and gave me 2 month refund.
This problem is widespread - I've read a lot of complaints in the press.
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

all ISPs have contention. It's business.
the problem is the habits of the users. P2P particularly kills the networks.
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the problem is the habits of the users. P2P particularly kills the networks.
Is the cable set up the same here as it is in the UK, i.e it runs on a ring topology?
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Surely, new Cablecom terms/prices are very attractive if not aggressive.
However, the catch is that due to the tree-like topography of their networks they will not be able to provide advertised speeds.
Surge of demand will create a lot of bottlenecks which they will not be able to fix quickly enough (within 2-3 months).
My experience with Cablecom is that after first few months of flawless service I had 6 months of sluggish access. Most of the time I got 10-20 times lower speed (300-600 kbit/s instead of 6000), somethimes (eveningns and weekends) - no access AT ALL.
Cablecom recognised the problem and gave me 2 month refund.
This problem is widespread - I've read a lot of complaints in the press.
I think I'd get this with pretty much any provider, though - so I'd rather pay less than more for the same deteriorating service levels
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

There's a tax to pay for tv and radio, which is a bit less than 40 CHF / month.
Theoretically you have to pay it if you own a tv and/or a radio (even in the car) and they properly work. You can pay only one of the two if you don't have the other. You just have to communicate to them your position.
This is the link to this state office: http://www.billag.ch.
Occasionally (and randomly) they ring your bell to check what you have.

Good luck.
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

Hi,

Yes I already have this, my employer is sorting it out

Thanks for the advice though!
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

hallo, just my two eurocents worth (from what we have):

cablecom Internet:
  1. very good speeds, does not always work as it should but I think this is a general problem with any provider
  2. we pay a standard sum every month
  3. the help line are perfect and sort out everything in a very friendly manner
  4. the spam filters are not that efficient but they are improving them all the time
cablecom digital TV: we have a receiver and a recorder
  1. BBS prime, world, 1 and 2, ITV1, ITV2, Film 4 for free. (Also other english speaking channels)
  2. Nice options (dual language transmissions and subtitles if available by the sender-but your TV must be stereo to support the dual language feature)
  3. Help line ouright rude but efficient
Swisscom telephones (NATEL and Fixed)
  1. good prices
  2. most importantly I trust them to not sell my data to direct mailing companies
  3. good help lines, they solve any problem but you might have to shout a bit first.
Do not forget when you calculate the prices that you will also have to pay a standard fee (one for any number of TVs and Radios for all houses - appart you might rent) to Billag as said above.

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