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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

I'm not sure if this would require a new thread but..

Has anyone the Bluewin DSL 15000?

see here [german]: http://de.bluewin.ch/internetzugang/...p/adsl_speed05

I'm looking for some insider info regarding the "installation" they mention on the site and the actual connection speed..
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all ISPs have contention. It's business.
the problem is the habits of the users. P2P particularly kills the networks.
My point is that Cablecom has ring network where you are sharing bandwidth with all users (from few hundred to few thousand) connected to the same ring. They sell more capacity then they have because Cablecom assume that not all users will need this capacity at the same time.
Therefore, at peak hours - evenings and weekends - speed drops. If you have few heavy P2P users in your neighborhood - speed drops dramatically.

ADSL connects each user to DSLAM box at the phone exchange individually. Therefore you are not dependent on other users on the local network.

In case there is shortage of capacity, Swisscom adds DSLAM box or two at the phone exchange. For Cablecom it is more difficult and costly as there are plenty of local bottlenecks to identify and resolve.

Another weak point of Cablecom is that it is much more vulnerable to hacker's attacks (especially hackers on the same ring with you).

Swisscom takes security much more seriously. You can have reliable firewall at ISP level (Gold pack) with Swisscom. Cablecom is unable to provide that, you have to buy expensive firewall router to secure your network.
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

by "expensive firewall router" you mean a 40 franc box?

I have absolutely no performance issues with my 10000/1000 cablecom connection - it gives me what it says on the tin.

With EVERY ISP, there will be contention somewhere on the network. It is never going to be where each person has exactly what their agreement says it has if they all saturate it at once. There is some multiplexing happening somewhere - otherwise the business model is going to be crazy.
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by "expensive firewall router" you mean a 40 franc box?

I have absolutely no performance issues with my 10000/1000 cablecom connection - it gives me what it says on the tin.

With EVERY ISP, there will be contention somewhere on the network. It is never going to be where each person has exactly what their agreement says it has if they all saturate it at once. There is some multiplexing happening somewhere - otherwise the business model is going to be crazy.
You stubborn grumpy old fart

Cable is inferior to xDSL
"Coaxial Cable technology was designed for one-way communication, and only recently have some cable TV providers begun to provision two-way service, which in most cases consists of carrying fiber optic links closer to the customer, combined with better quality coax and electronics to carry two-way signals.
The coax loop is shared by many customers in a neighborhood, so that, during busy periods of Internet use, transmission speed (and available bandwidth for a given customer) can shrink dramatically. This sharing results in the possibility of Internet communications being intercepted, so that security is generally inferior to that for point-to-point systems. Finally, the cable TV system has a reputation of being far less reliable than does the telephone system.

Despite its drawbacks, coax is the short-term competition to copper-based systems for delivery of the Internet and major investments are being made today."


If you live in the middle of nowhere and your neighbors are not heavy p2p users or hackers - go for cable.

My personal experience confirms every bit of above.
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

you quote a generic passage without correctly citing it. Can you confirm this is how the Cablecom topology is - or are you just speculating?

Both technologies have limitations. Security I would say is NOT one of those you should consider as being "expected" from your ISP - after all, the only person you can really trust is of course you
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

There are horses for courses

If you looking for quality and reliability, going to stream HD video to your brand new HDTV and new Swisscom VDSL2 cabinet installed recently in your neighborhood - go for DSL15000 Gold pack.

If you are looking for cheap temporarily solution, don't mind slowtime/downtime during evenings and weekends and know exactly how to defend your network against hackers - go for cable.

Cablecom is extremely aggressive recently because they are loosing battle to Swisscom. Granting fat commissions to all intermediaries, trying to hook people on long-term contracts.

I had ADSL since inception in 1999. Last year I switched to Cablecom 5000, because could not get more than 2000 from Swisscom.
However, I got in reality lower speed, huge volume of nasty spam and constant hackers attacks.
I switched back to Swisscom few months ago, got 12 months free calls, will get DSL15000 installed soon and will be happy to forget my Cablecom troubles.
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

I've had Cablecom for a couple of months now, and never had any issues or connection problems. Maybe it depends on where you live. If you do not want a Festnetz-phone connection, Cablecom is the only option to get internet access.
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<snip>However, I got in reality lower speed, huge volume of nasty spam and constant hackers attacks.<snip>
I assume you've changed email addresses when you moved back and forth? Otherwise why would your spam-levels change?

The issue you've probably found is that you connected directly to the cable modem and then had a software firewall alerting you to each and every port scan. With ADSL, you most likely had a router and your perception is now that no port scans are occurring.

You mention TV in your post; I must point out to people reading this that Bluewin TV will not need you to be on their 15Mbit package (which you have to pay for them to install at your house) and that with that product, you would be (IIRC) positioned on a 16Mbit loop.

I've used both ADSL and Cable in built-up and boonie areas and they are both ok. I am with Cablecom because I need >1 IP address and I do not wish to pay Swisscom 25 francs for a phone line I would not use.

It's Sunday, I just did a speed test from my sunny terrace and am getting 8600/1050 down/up. Including the overheads from DOCSIS and my wireless network (~10%). I assume at some point, DOCSIS 3.0 will present even higher speeds.

Hardly a "cheap temporary solution", I would say?
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

You sayin' that all swans are white because you never seen black one.
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

Switzerland has the 3rd cheapest entry level broadband packages in the world?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6900697.stm

Keep in mind this is entry level. The Swedes for example have been using optics for years with 100mbit speeds priced at our 5mbit packages.

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Switzerland has the 3rd cheapest entry level broadband packages in Europe?
Europe you mean the world don't you?! And check out the price per Mbit. Then Switzerland is way down in mid table...

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Indeed, global it says. There's me thinking Europe is the world.
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Old 17.07.2007, 11:37
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

am actually researching this for a presentation, heres an interesting project Broadband WiKi, which is a global effort to compile services country by country & make comparison.

having just worked my way through Australia, will never complain about Swiss pricing again ...


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am actually researching this for a presentation, heres an interesting project Broadband WiKi, which is a global effort to compile services country by country & make comparison.

having just worked my way through Australia, will never complain about Swiss pricing again ...
'Updated Oct 15, 2005 7:24am.'
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'Updated Oct 15, 2005 7:24am.'
fair enough, didn't spot that ... however just jumped onto Big Pond (Telstra) & the pricing don't get much better ...

so much for shortcuts ...
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

im looking to cancel my sunrise adsl contract to join cabelcom. I understand that I will need to change my adsl wireless router to gigaset se551 ie the router that cablecom offer. Does anyone know if they throw in the router if you sign up for 12 months ?
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

they chuck in a cable modem but no router. You could use the wireless router as an access point but the problem would be you can't use the firewall/NAT functions.

100 francs or less for a replacement.
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

Im not sure what you mean here but basically I have a ZyXEL 660HW (wireless) supplied by sunrise and I would like to know if I can switch my connection to cablecom and still use the ZyXEL. The alternative is to shell out 99chf for the siemens wireless modem that cablecom support.
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Old 24.07.2007, 12:32
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Im not sure what you mean here but basically I have a ZyXEL 660HW (wireless) supplied by sunrise and I would like to know if I can switch my connection to cablecom and still use the ZyXEL. The alternative is to shell out 99chf for the siemens wireless modem that cablecom support.
You will have to use a cable modem for cablecom. However, you might be able to use your ZyXEL router without the ADSL. I am pretty sure my Linksys WAG200G will work as a standalone router.

The appropriate place to find the answers to this question are probably either in your router's documentation, on ZyXEL's support website or doing some google searching.

Good Luck!
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

I did the same, with the same Zyxel router! It will route network connections that use the 100mps cable, but wireless won't work, certainly not multiple wireless connections, which is what I wanted. It could be that one wireless works, because you only need one ip then, but more than one wireless is definitely not possible.

So I got a wireless cable router.
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