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Got it today. Swisscom guy came, checked the line, connected new DSL router / modem, set up basic Wi-Fi access (I will disable it as prefer to use Apple Airport). In less than 20 minutes all done.
Speed is limited to 15000k, but I can get up to 33000kbps because Mini-DSLAM box is just 100m from my house.
When I asked over the phone they said that they will need to probe the sockets and cable installations etc so I was curious, but it looks like they just want to make sure that it works. Thanks.

oh, and godspeed!
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

Advice please - I am about to install myself permanently in VS. We do have cable outside in the road and can I am sure get a Swisscom landline. I don't need TV as I'll use satellite (a Wave Frontier Toroidal T90 with 3 LNBs for 3 satellites covers most of UK channel and the Swiss ones). So I need a phone line (landline is essential so I can use jajah (jajah.com - free calls to anywhere from a landline, as long as the other end (landline) is also a member - a SUPERB system, far better than SKYPE). Plus I want the highest poss speed for ADSL -

Any suggestions as to the latest way ahead - i get the impression that Cablecom may be the best value option? Also I only have a pay and go Swisscom card at the moment so will want to get an abondment asap.

Any suggestions very welcome....

thanks,

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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

Bluewin have announced price drops for their ADSL products with 20Mbps connection now 69 francs.

http://de.bluewin.ch/internetzugang/...p/adsl_speed05

This surely must illicit a reaction from Cablecom - is their infrastructure able to deliver 20+Mbps? Surely should be according to Wikipedia reference-linkDOCSIS.....!

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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

People in Zurich may have another option shortly: www.ewz.ch

http://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/internet...Zuerich/0.html

Looks like they could be delivering over fiber-optical cabling. Hoorah!

actually, I love it already - I have to move:
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

from January 15th, 10Mbps connectoins with Cablecom will be 15Mbps.

Up to 25Mbps available: http://computerworld.ch/aktuell/news/43266/index.html

edit: in addition, there will be 20 TV channels available over the web, not the six or so we have now.
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

Lob that's excellent news indeed. I read through their press release and had to chuckle when I saw that this upgrade was in response to customers wanting more bandwidth for file sharing networks.

As always the devil is in the details... Most of us (I would guess) are on the 65 per month plan. We'll get 15Mbit/s. But for just 75 we can have 25Mbit/s. So just 10 francs extra?

If you plan on using your connection heavily, then you should read this post. Remember that if you switch from 65 to 75 it will mean new terms and conditions, and Cablecom can then lock you into whatever they may be. So read the fine print carefully before you decide to take that carrot they are dangling.

I'd be really interested to know just whether they are going to be upgrading the capacity in their network to handle these new speeds. They seem to make the "best effort" part very clear in the press release, almost letting themselves off in advance.
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

with Swisscom positioning themselves at 69 francs for 20Mbps, Cablecom giving 15Mbps for 65 is fairly significant - they've always tried to stay ahead of the game (as in typically offer significantly more bandwidth for the same price).

So they have less for less and more for more. A sign that the market is tightening?

Add to this the 13 extra channels you can get via the web. Multicast in reasonable quality over TCP - they must be fairly confident in their network.
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with Swisscom positioning themselves at 69 francs for 20Mbps, Cablecom giving 15Mbps for 65 is fairly significant - they've always tried to stay ahead of the game (as in typically offer significantly more bandwidth for the same price).

So they have less for less and more for more. A sign that the market is tightening?

Add to this the 13 extra channels you can get via the web. Multicast in reasonable quality over TCP - they must be fairly confident in their network.
UDP not TCP

Yes, this is an interesting development. Interesting in that this is the first time that Swisscom have stepped up to the plate to put the heat on Cablecom, rather than the other way around.

But I think it's only fair to mention a few caveats about Swisscom's offer. Once again the upstream bandwidth is far less - 20MBit down, 1MBit up, compared to cablecom which offer 10Mbit down, 1Mbit up, and later with the 25Mbit down there will be 2.5Mbit up.

Also, while cablecom caution that it is a "best effort" service, you've got a much better chance of actually getting those speeds (unless you local segment is congested). In the case of DSL at these speeds (Swisscom), the maximum speed you can get on your own service is limited by your distance to the exchange. Therefore this 20Mbit they are selling is really only the "best case" if you are close enough to the exchange. Therefore you may not get anything like that, and your only choice would be to move closer to the exchange.

All in all, consumers can only benefit. I still remember the days before cablecom offered internet, when Swisscom kept the speed at a 512Kbit maximum, citing reasons such as "it might interfere with other services". Strangely, when cablecom arrived such technical fears magically evaporated...

I'm surprised that Cablecom didn't just convert everyone to the 25Mbit service rather than trying to getting them to spend another 10 francs per month, but as I pointed out earlier it's probably more about tying them into the new terms and conditions rather than the extra 10 francs. Offerring 25Mbit at 65 francs per month would make them the clear leader for anyone comparing. But offerring 15 when Swisscom offer 20?
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

Real-Time Streaming Protocol over TCP - as many are starting to do with a failover to HTTP if needed.

Lovely that they consider my television streaming to need TCP
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

That aint multicast mate... See this - section "Multicast", second paragraph. Not sure how they are doing it to get to your local segment, that part might be multicasted, but unicasted on the final bit. Multicast was a great idea, but maybe there's just too much bandwidth around these days...
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

Mark's (mostly) right here. The video might get set up with a TCP HTTP connection, but it probably will actually multicast using UDP. That said, when I ran a realvideo server, we also served up HTTP streams that were, in fact, TCP. RTSP can go over either UDP or TCP, and IIRC it can failover back to TCP should the need arise.
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

Well I didn't mean to hijack this thread into a big technical discussion on protocols. Main points - TCP can't be multicasted because it's connection-orientated, but UDP can (because it's not). Main point here is that everyone who is getting internet TV via their internet connection is not getting it multicasted. Why not? Multicast would never get through the routers which they bought at media markt. So unless the provider itself has put in the box which connects to the outside world it's not multicast. Most likely scenario - provider multicasts to a box/process in the local network segment (or DSLAM in the case of ADSL). This box/process then *unicasts* to anyone who wants it. This way the provider still cuts down massively on the number of streams, and solves their technical issues with clients / customer routers at the same time. All pretty straight-forward if you think about it.

And yes, once we all agree it's unicast, you can run whatever the hell protocol you like!

But why talk about the TV channels we get from Cablecom? These are the guys that took the BBC away from us. They are hardly going to give it back to us as one of the 6 or 14 channels that they are going to let us watch via the internet, are they? So unless you like watching stuff in German/Swiss German/French this feature will be of little interest to EF readers.
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

Swisscom are Offering ADSL without phone line contract (Festnetz) but you have to have Natel Liberty mobile contract (technical limitation )

Cablecom I have always been able to get the 10Mb in speed (1Megabyte per second), although my black router crashes when doing news and rsync/ssh transfers with the line running at 100%. Watch out cablecom line fees are hidden in your Rent nebenkosten (heating etc.) or homeowners pay direct, this means that Swisscom is now cheaper. Hearing a lot of People having problems with VDSL the new thing, will have this soon to test.

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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

The "hidden" cost in the "Nebenkosten" is the basic TV package. For 6 francs more a month, you can go digital.

There is no need to take this base package; I don't and cablecom happily bill me just for internet and phone
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

I was talking about the hidden costs of analogue TV/Internet at cablecom, see here:
http://www.we-u.com/?p=79
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I was talking about the hidden costs of analogue TV/Internet at cablecom, see here:
http://www.we-u.com/?p=79
that's exactly as I posted above

The charge gives you the base collection of cable channels. You might find it's hard to opt-out, yes. But do you watch TV?

It has nothing to do with internet access - although when I lived in an apartment block, the Nebenkosten/shared house costs were pushed up slightly as the whole cable network was made ready for hispeed internet. Of course the Nebenkosten was pushed even higher by the price of oil going up.
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

a gem for Hispeed users - ITV1 is one of the new channels....there now: http://www.hispeed.ch/Live_TV/
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

Did you check the link on the website in my Post:

Vergleich „Ich will analog fernsehen“ / ENG: Compare "I want analogue TV"
Mit Cablecom: Fr. 24.85 (Anschluss: Fr. 24.85) /ENG: with cablecom 24.85 for connection
Mit Swisscom: nicht möglich / ENG: with swisscom not possible

Vergleich „Ich will digital fernsehen“ /ENG: "I want digital TV"
Mit Cablecom: Fr. 30.85 (Anschluss: Fr. 24.85 + Fr. 6.- für digital TV*) /ENG: cablecom 24.85 hidden fee and 6 for digital TV

Your Nebenkosten (Pro rat/divided costs: Energy cable etc., are listed separately on your Rent Bill) in your Rent will always include the above 24.85 Sfr. The 6 Sfr is additional if you want digital TV. Cablecom will close/weld your digital 3 port Multimedia connectors if you do not pay this hidden fee. I was trying to say cablecom is more expensive with this fee, but it is voluntary but not many people know about it.
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

you can get Cablecom without paying for TV. Trust me.

the problem is that, when living in rented apartments, it will be hard to not pay that subscription - but you should be able to fight and not pay it. Unless you watch cable TV - because then you're actually getting a service for your payment.

so if you don't want cable TV.....try to get it removed. It's hardly hidden.

So - do you watch cable TV at all?
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Re: Internet issues / choices in Switzerland / ADSL vs cable

Hi there.. I just move to zurich in a month and i order cable com. But i realise that my studio apartment have T&T and telephone port.Can anyone help me to solve this things?Do i can still connect to the internet? Is there any suggestion for me to solve this?
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