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As all the old threads on this subject are a bit out of date, I thought I'd start a new one.

Wifi (and other RF): There are thousands of pages on the web with wifi comparisions and reviews but they're all U.S. centric which doesn't really help in Switzerland as a high percentage of U.S. houses are made of wood and brick compared with the less-wifi signal friendly concrete and steel of Swiss houses and apartments.

So, I'm looking for a new setup. My place is not only concrete/brick but also has steel ceiling panels (I know, don't ask why....)

Although I try to limit RF transmissions using cabling, I've ended up with an abundance of devices operating with either Wifi or 866Hz.
(Home automation, monitoring, Philips Hue etc).

At the moment I've got a Netgear R6250 which, to put it bluntly, is a piece of junk as it keeps dropping out and needs frequent power-cycles.

People keep telling me, because of the size of my place and the steel ceilings, I need a more powerful wifi router.
But, thinking about it, they're wrong - wifi is mainly two-way communication and you could have the most powerful router in the world but if the device it is communicating with is not at all powerful then it's not going to work.

I like the idea of the new mesh units but I don't think they're going to work too well with me either as even though they're powerful, they need to communicate well with each other and they won't do that at my place.
Repeaters also fall into the same sort of category (who wants to re-transmit a crappy signal?)
I think you can connect the Google Mesh units by ethernet.


So, that leaves me with APs and/or a new router. One upstairs, one in the basement and the router on the ground floor. I can run ethernet to all these places.

So, what experiences have other people got here and what do they like, and not like?
I'd like a router that is a bit more reliable too.
Google wifi mesh network connected to an Ethernet backbone. Also handles interference by switching the channels for you, and it’s all very intelligent automatic software. Rather limited configuration options if you want to do manual settings for anything, but it’s by and large unnecessary.

There are faster mesh wifi units that would work, but the couple of hundred megabits per second they do is enough for me.
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Google wifi mesh network connected to an Ethernet backbone. Also handles interference by switching the channels for you, and it’s all very intelligent automatic software. Rather limited configuration options if you want to do manual settings for anything, but it’s by and large unnecessary.

There are faster mesh wifi units that would work, but the couple of hundred megabits per second they do is enough for me.
I did consider mesh units but as I wrote in a previous post, they won't do their meshing with metal ceilings getting in the way.

I'm going for UniFi APs.
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Re: Wifi in Swiss houses

With my Swisscom router I have Wifi. Never been a problem. To the router you can add a repeater

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Re: Wifi in Swiss houses

When suffering similar problems I have used flat Ethernet cable which you can run out of a window without drilling any holes then up the outside of the house/apartment and in through another window. Much easier than trying to lay cables within the house/apartment.

I have also used a TP-Link Re450 Repeater which has some pretty status lights so you can move it around and check the lights to see if you are trying to repeat a good signal or not and it is fast enough for my needs.
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When suffering similar problems I have used flat Ethernet cable which you can run out of a window without drilling any holes then up the outside of the house/apartment and in through another window. Much easier than trying to lay cables within the house/apartment.
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I've just discovered, with the help of a fish tape, that I have an empty conduit going from my router location to where I want the upstairs AP.
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I did consider mesh units but as I wrote in a previous post, they won't do their meshing with metal ceilings getting in the way.

I'm going for UniFi APs.
Why would the metal ceilings matter if you’re connected to a wired backbone?
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Why would the metal ceilings matter if you’re connected to a wired backbone?
They wouldn't. Not all mesh systems are wired though.
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Old 17.11.2017, 19:18
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They wouldn't. Not all mesh systems are wired though.
Hence the reason I made the recommendation I did.
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Re: Wifi in Swiss houses

Just activate the 5GHz band in your router and problem solved, but you have to reconnect the devices to this band because it's like a second network. Most recent routers have this option disabled by default. You can even have the 2.4 and 5GHz active at the same time.




The normal band 2.4GHz is fully saturated in almost every channel.
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Just activate the 5GHz band in your router and problem solved, but you have to reconnect the devices to this band because it's like a second network. Most recent routers have this option disabled by default. You can even have the 2.4 and 5GHz active at the same time.


The normal band 2.4GHz is fully saturated in almost every channel.
The 5GHz band on my router is truly terrible. It's 'on' the whole time but constantly drops out. It's useless.
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Hence the reason I made the recommendation I did.
I did consider the Google Mesh but it gets mixed reviews. I went for a Unifi AP set of two in the end - half the price and it gets stonking reviews.

Ordered last night. Got them tonight.

Annoyingly, the PoE injector power leads have chunky-pin F type plugs so I'll need to change those as I haven't yet decided which PoE switch to get.

I measured and recorded signal levels around the house so I've got real data to compare it with when I get around to installing.
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The 5GHz band on my router is truly terrible. It's 'on' the whole time but constantly drops out. It's useless.
what does it drop? smartphone?
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I did consider the Google Mesh but it gets mixed reviews. I went for a Unifi AP set of two in the end - half the price and it gets stonking reviews.

Ordered last night. Got them tonight.

Annoyingly, the PoE injector power leads have chunky-pin F type plugs so I'll need to change those as I haven't yet decided which PoE switch to get.

I measured and recorded signal levels around the house so I've got real data to compare it with when I get around to installing.
I almost got those, as they have higher throughput than the google units... but the fashion police (fiancée) told me no. Heard good things about them though.
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Re: Wifi in Swiss houses

Would have taken the all Ethernet option instead of zapping your brain constantly with the WIFI radiation. Hope you don't have any animals at home.


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As all the old threads on this subject are a bit out of date, I thought I'd start a new one.

Wifi (and other RF): There are thousands of pages on the web with wifi comparisions and reviews but they're all U.S. centric which doesn't really help in Switzerland as a high percentage of U.S. houses are made of wood and brick compared with the less-wifi signal friendly concrete and steel of Swiss houses and apartments.

So, I'm looking for a new setup. My place is not only concrete/brick but also has steel ceiling panels (I know, don't ask why....)

Although I try to limit RF transmissions using cabling, I've ended up with an abundance of devices operating with either Wifi or 866Hz.
(Home automation, monitoring, Philips Hue etc).

At the moment I've got a Netgear R6250 which, to put it bluntly, is a piece of junk as it keeps dropping out and needs frequent power-cycles.

People keep telling me, because of the size of my place and the steel ceilings, I need a more powerful wifi router.
But, thinking about it, they're wrong - wifi is mainly two-way communication and you could have the most powerful router in the world but if the device it is communicating with is not at all powerful then it's not going to work.

I like the idea of the new mesh units but I don't think they're going to work too well with me either as even though they're powerful, they need to communicate well with each other and they won't do that at my place.
Repeaters also fall into the same sort of category (who wants to re-transmit a crappy signal?)
I think you can connect the Google Mesh units by ethernet.


So, that leaves me with APs and/or a new router. One upstairs, one in the basement and the router on the ground floor. I can run ethernet to all these places.

So, what experiences have other people got here and what do they like, and not like?
I'd like a router that is a bit more reliable too.
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Would have taken the all Ethernet option instead of zapping your brain constantly with the WIFI radiation. Hope you don't have any animals at home.


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https://www.globalhealingcenter.com/...tion-exposure/
It's also been "proven" that tinfoil hats give you aluminium poisoning.

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You could have something there!
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It's also been "proven" that tinfoil hats give you aluminium poisoning.

Speaking as a trained radio and radar engineer

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Re: Wifi in Swiss houses

Ideally, you would wire the house with ethernet and place (UBNT) APs in the places you need WiFI.
You can dial-down the sending-power of the APs just so that they only cover the area you need.

This avoids the "one AP that is blasting the house but doesn't get to the basement"-phenomenon.

Several co-workers have set-up their houses with these.
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Ideally, you would wire the house with ethernet and place (UBNT) APs in the places you need WiFI.
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I've just run 50m of ethernet cable with the help of a couple of phones as an intercom and a very patient eight-year old.

I can highly recommend an eleven dollar signal tracer/ethernet cable tester from Ali Express!
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Annoyingly, the PoE injector power leads have chunky-pin F type plugs so I'll need to change those as I haven't yet decided which PoE switch to get.
The correct Swiss cord sets were under the bubble wrap!

So all installed and conclusion: bloody fantastic!

The Netgear unit is now in the cellar as a gateway only and manages static IP addresses etc. It can stay there as long as it behaves.

Running ethernet to where I wanted the APs was quite easy as there were some empty 'comms' conduits so we pulled in a few spare cables for good measure.

As an example of the difference, a Macbook Pro connected to 5GHz used to drop out quite regularly and only seemed to manage around 20Mbs download.
We were convinced there was something wrong with the Macbookas it wasn't easy to imagine how awful a wifi router could be.

With the new APs, it's consistently giving 225Mbs download on 5GHz with no drop outs and that's the full speed of the internet connection coming in so no complaints there.

The browser interface is great too and easy to use. It's also nice to have the same SSID for both 2.4GHz and 5GHz with the AP connecting to what it deems most suitable.

Now I need a new switch as I've run out of ports. PoE for some ports preferably as things are getting a bit messy.

Thanks to vostok4 and VillageIdiot for the Unifi recommendation.
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