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soswiss 02.12.2018 15:18

Re: Why does Amazon shun Switzerland?
 
There were some news that Amazon Prime is coming to CH in January 2019, is this still on track?

https://lenews.ch/2017/11/28/amazon-...o-switzerland/

dawiz 02.12.2018 15:26

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Originally Posted by soswiss (Post 3019157)
There were some news that Amazon Prime is coming to CH in January 2019, is this still on track?

https://lenews.ch/2017/11/28/amazon-...o-switzerland/

Doubtful - there were some talks about a deal with the Swiss Post but the latter have backpaddled since. You can already get some products delivered to Switzerland with pre-paid customs fees - unlikely to change at this point.

aSwissInTheUS 02.12.2018 16:05

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Originally Posted by dawiz (Post 3019162)
Doubtful - there were some talks about a deal with the Swiss Post but the latter have backpaddled since. You can already get some products delivered to Switzerland with pre-paid customs fees - unlikely to change at this point.

The latter? Looks more like the former, speak Amazon
https://www.aargauerzeitung.ch/wirts...azon-133094867
Or do you have other news?

Another article about Amazon registering brands in the Swiss register: https://www.aargauerzeitung.ch/wirts...weiz-133477168
Does note have to mean anything as the Amazon Prime brand has been registered two years ago: https://www.swissreg.ch/srclient/fac...emark/sr30.jsp

PS: Prepaid customs when ordering from Amazon has been a thing for many years.

dawiz 02.12.2018 16:12

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Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 3019174)
The latter? Looks more like the former, speak Amazon
https://www.aargauerzeitung.ch/wirts...azon-133094867
Or do you have other news?

Another article about Amazon registering brands in the Swiss register: https://www.aargauerzeitung.ch/wirts...weiz-133477168
Does note have to mean anything as the Amazon Prime brand has been registered two years ago: https://www.swissreg.ch/srclient/fac...emark/sr30.jsp

PS: Prepaid customs when ordering from Amazon has been a thing for many years.


Post is downplaying it and explicitly mentions that they're not expecting a market offensive. Also saying that their customs declaration deal isn't a big thing and that it's non-exclusive. Amazon has been using a similar deal with DPD already for a while now. Also, I'm pretty sure the journalist from Aargauer Zeitung ist mistaken about the brand registrations. They don't reflect services but already available products from Ring (at least "Chime" and "Ring" etc). There's been absolutely zero indication thst Amazon is preparing to enter the Swiss market, except for some outlandish speculation last year

MusicChick 02.12.2018 16:53

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I think there are measures to support stone stores.

I don't know how to internet shop, for anything really, it is not such a bad thing, me thinks, looking around at friends getting dissappointed by their online purchases from books to dates :D

yacek 02.12.2018 20:32

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Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 3019191)
looking around at friends getting dissappointed by their online purchases from books to dates :D

I didn't know Amazon was competing with Tinder...

marton 02.12.2018 20:46

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I didn't know Amazon was competing with Tinder...

Stuffed dates here

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bowlie 02.12.2018 22:02

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From your link

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In stock.
This item does not ship to Switzerland. Learn more
Sold by Chateau de Mediterranean and Fulfilled by Amazon. For Returns, please check the seller link. Gift-wrap available.
1 new from EUR 19.79

gipfelisturmer 03.12.2018 11:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yacek (Post 3019276)
I didn't know Amazon was competing with Tinder...

Nevertheless another platform might help this one:
https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...-get-date.html

Treverus 03.12.2018 12:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 3019191)
I think there are measures to support stone stores.

I don't know how to internet shop, for anything really, it is not such a bad thing, me thinks, looking around at friends getting dissappointed by their online purchases from books to dates :D



I did not expect that I have to explain internet shopping in 2018, but simply put:


1. The long tail: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Tail Amazon sells stuff you cannot find in your local shop. Even more so in CH where the product ranges seem even more limited than elsewhere. Simple example: If I walk into my local shops here in Luxembourg are the playstation games in French. Many without English as an option... so I order the US version online.


2. Availability. I buy stuff on Amazon after I wasn't able to get it locally. Because many local shops are crap at predicting demand and Amazon is pretty good at it. Example: My wife has developed an allergy against our cat. There is a product called Allerpet to help against it. Allegedly sold in pharmacies. Except of the three in my surrounding I visited. So I ordered it online.


3. Convenience. I can get delivered whatever I want to a pick up locker (Do you have those in CH in the meantime?) near me. Because some stuff might be available in some brick and mortar shop... at the other end of the country.


Just to point out: Price isn't even in my top three... as I find Amazon to not be cheaper than local shops in the EU at all. They are just cheaper than CH stores... and honestly: Who isn't?

Plau Deri 03.12.2018 16:29

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Someone is complaining on Reddit. Sounds grizzly...

bowlie 03.12.2018 18:05

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More shunning. I just received this

Dear

As a result of changes to the Swiss value added tax law, Amazonís international shopping options will change as of 2019. While we regret any inconvenience this may cause, from 26 December 2018 customers shopping on amazon.com and other non-EU Amazon websites will not be able to ship non-digital orders to any shipping address in the Swiss Customs Union. We encourage all our customers shipping orders to a delivery address in the Swiss Customs Union to shop on Amazon websites in the EU (Amazon.de, Amazon.fr, Amazon.it, Amazon.es, Amazon.co.uk) to access millions of products across multiple categories, including books, fashion, toys, and electronics.
With the change of the international shopping options, we regrettably will not be able to transfer unused gift card balances to Amazon websites in the EU. Therefore, all customers who have outstanding funds on their non EU Amazon accounts are kindly requested to utilize them before 26 December 2018. After that date, you will still be able to buy digital products such as apps and Kindle books with your outstanding balance.



Thank you for choosing to shop with Amazon.

dawiz 03.12.2018 18:06

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So much for an expansion to Switzerland:

"As a result of changes to the Swiss value added tax law, Amazonís international shopping options will change as of 2019. While we regret any inconvenience this may cause, from 26 December 2018 customers shopping on amazon.com and other non-EU Amazon websites will not be able to ship non-digital orders to any shipping address in the Swiss Customs Union. We encourage all our customers shipping orders to a delivery address in the Swiss Customs Union to shop on Amazon websites in the EU (Amazon.de, Amazon.fr, Amazon.it, Amazon.es, Amazon.co.uk) to access millions of products across multiple categories, including books, fashion, toys, and electronics.

With the change of the international shopping options, we regrettably will not be able to transfer unused gift card balances to Amazon websites in the EU. Therefore, all customers who have outstanding funds on their non EU Amazon accounts are kindly requested to utilize them before 26 December 2018. After that date, you will still be able to buy digital products such as apps and Kindle books with your outstanding balance.

Thank you for choosing to shop with Amazon"

Chuff 03.12.2018 18:12

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Just got an email from Amazon...

Quote:

As a result of changes to the Swiss value added tax law, Amazonís international shopping options will change as of 2019. While we regret any inconvenience this may cause, from 26 December 2018 customers shopping on amazon.com and other non-EU Amazon websites will not be able to ship non-digital orders to any shipping address in the Swiss Customs Union. We encourage all our customers shipping orders to a delivery address in the Swiss Customs Union to shop on Amazon websites in the EU (Amazon.de, Amazon.fr, Amazon.it, Amazon.es, Amazon.co.uk) to access millions of products across multiple categories, including books, fashion, toys, and electronics.

With the change of the international shopping options, we regrettably will not be able to transfer unused gift card balances to Amazon websites in the EU. Therefore, all customers who have outstanding funds on their non EU Amazon accounts are kindly requested to utilize them before 26 December 2018. After that date, you will still be able to buy digital products such as apps and Kindle books with your outstanding balance.
That is a shame, as I did buy some stuff from the US site... :(

dawiz 03.12.2018 18:20

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3019497)
Just got an email from Amazon...



That is a shame, as I did buy some stuff from the US site... :(

So did I. Also makes no sense. Plus they're suggesting we should buy our stuff on Amazon UK - until February when we'll get another mail saying "we regret to inform you that as of March 19" etc etc.

marton 03.12.2018 19:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3019497)
Just got an email from Amazon...

That is a shame, as I did buy some stuff from the US site... :(

Presumably you could have amazon.com deliver to a Packet shop in a surrounding country and then collect it yourself and take advantage of the CHF 300 duty free allowance?

Would need some careful analysis of the surrounding country import costs to see if it is worthwhile.

Anyway I am dismayed, I thought Amazon would be a large enough enterprise to handle the Swiss VAT?

dawiz 03.12.2018 19:06

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Originally Posted by marton (Post 3019522)
Presumably you could have amazon.com deliver to a Packet shop in a surrounding country and then collect it yourself and take advantage of the CHF 300 duty free allowance?

Would need some careful analysis of the surrounding country import costs to see if it is worthwhile.

Anyway I am dismayed, I thought Amazon would be a large enough enterprise to handle the Swiss VAT?

Seriously doubt that these packet shops will pay the German VAT for you when the courier drops off your package.

What you can do is use Borderlinx etc but that costs an arm and a leg

bowlie 03.12.2018 19:20

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I think there is an echo in here, in here, in here.

Stuc 03.12.2018 20:00

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Originally Posted by Plau Deri (Post 3019457)
Someone is complaining on Reddit. Sounds grizzly...

Hi, that was me. I suppose there is a lot of expats here on this forum, so maybe someone knows how to buy on amazon.jp an deliver in ch without paying too much more? Thank you.

Tom1234 03.12.2018 20:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by marton (Post 3019522)

Anyway I am dismayed, I thought Amazon would be a large enough enterprise to handle the Swiss VAT?

More like the Swiss market is too small and inconsequential to bother.


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