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dawiz 11.12.2017 12:37

Why does Amazon shun Switzerland?
 
Amazon Echo availability and localization has now expanded around the globe. It‘s available in places such as Albania, Gabon, Granada, Guernsey, Guatemala, Kenya, all of the EU, Serbia, Tanzania Togo etc. etc.

Only one missing seems to be Switzerland - what gives? Sorry more venting here than looking for an answer, but still, annoys the crap out of me.

Treverus 11.12.2017 12:46

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High costs to enter a tiny market. Better ROI to spend the same effort on other countries... essentially the same reasons why Carrefour sold their supermarkets to COOP and spent the earnings on emerging markets.

dawiz 11.12.2017 12:55

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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 2884627)
High costs to enter a tiny market. Better ROI to spend the same effort on other countries... essentially the same reasons why Carrefour sold their supermarkets to COOP and spent the earnings on emerging markets.

They didn‘t really „enter“ markets. They simply sell the Echos through their US website and allow setting the location to wherever the buyer lives. Amazon doesn‘t have operations in most of those places. Guernsey? Albania? Kenya? Those are all tiny markets and even though initial investment for Switzerland would be higher, profits would be too as the Swiss buy tons of goods from Amazon already through their German, French and Italian operations. Why not hook them up with these operations?

I understand that they‘re hesitating to expand on services here but being able to ask for local weather won‘t cost them a dime.

kkmm 11.12.2017 13:44

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In case you missed it.

dawiz 11.12.2017 13:48

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Originally Posted by kkmm (Post 2884655)


I had seen that but similar reports have been popping up for a few years now and nothing has ever materialized.

Ok, it would explain why they didn‘t launch the Echo now - if we get full-blown country support soon they‘re likely waiting for that. But I‘m not overly optimistic there.

Tom1234 11.12.2017 14:06

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Originally Posted by dawiz (Post 2884660)
I had seen that but similar reports have been popping up for a few years now and nothing has ever materialized.

Ok, it would explain why they didn‘t launch the Echo now - if we get full-blown country support soon they‘re likely waiting for that. But I‘m not overly optimistic there.

Switzerland is a bloody joke as far as shipping etc is concerned. Amazon primarily wants to make money. The give local support to the Echo so people will use that locality to order goods from Amazon Prime.

If Prime cannot work due to the expensive Swiss postal system then Amazon won't make the effort to provide local services.

I was in correspondence with a furniture supplier in Germany last night and they ship free in Germany and anywhere else in Europe for 100 Euros.
But Switzerland is 250 Euros and, according to their boss (who replied to my email personally on a Sunday night!), they lose all their profit on any Swiss orders.

(The piece of furniture is the same price as similar pieces on sale in Switzerland but not so... well the style is different).

I can ship a parcel from the U.K abroad for 40 Euros. I can ship a parcel with the same courier company from Switzerland and it's 250 CHF for the same parcel.


Still, according to other threads , Amazon Prime is coming.

dawiz 11.12.2017 14:16

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Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 2884667)
Switzerland is a bloody joke as far as shipping etc is concerned. Amazon primarily wants to make money. The give local support to the Echo so people will use that locality to order goods from Amazon Prime.

If Prime cannot work due to the expensive Swiss postal system then Amazon won't make the effort to provide local services.

I was in correspondence with a furniture supplier in Germany last night and they ship free in Germany and anywhere else in Europe for 100 Euros.
But Switzerland is 250 Euros and, according to their boss (who replied to my email personally on a Sunday night!), they lose all their profit on any Swiss orders.

(The piece of furniture is the same price as similar pieces on sale in Switzerland but not so... well the style is different).

I can ship a parcel from the U.K abroad for 40 Euros. I can ship a parcel with the same courier company from Switzerland and it's 250 CHF for the same parcel.


Still, according to other threads , Amazon Prime is coming.

Agreed, importing goods is a nightmare and I‘m guessing exporting to Switzerland isn‘t any better. But that can‘t be the reason why they‘re not releasing the Echo here at this time - as exporting to most countries on the list of newly supported locations will be similarly difficult

Castro 11.12.2017 14:55

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I see it as a blessing in disguise... 'always connected, always listening'

No ta :rolleyes:

dawiz 11.12.2017 14:59

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Originally Posted by Castro (Post 2884698)
I see it as a blessing in disguise... 'always connected, always listening'

No ta :rolleyes:

I guess everyone will have to figure out whether the positives outweigh the negatives for him / her. It‘s not like people don‘t have Echos now - they just can‘t use them properly

TobiasM 11.12.2017 15:02

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Originally Posted by Castro (Post 2884698)
I see it as a blessing in disguise... 'always connected, always listening'

No ta :rolleyes:

Exactly, its quite sinister, surprised people buy into this, allowing yourself to be bugged.

Guest 11.12.2017 15:09

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Originally Posted by TobiasM (Post 2884703)
Exactly, its quite sinister, surprised people buy into this, allowing yourself to be bugged.

My watch already listens to everything I say. If anybody were remotely interested in what some nobody in the Alps had to say, they'd be thoroughly enthralled by conversations about aeroplane cows, complaints about German homework and musings on possible indigenous American influences on modern European genes.

Let them listen! They'll be bored solid while I'll get to read my emails in class, check the weather at a glance and turn Led Zeppelin up loud without fumbling for my phone.

Seems like a fair trade for me. :D

dawiz 11.12.2017 15:25

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Originally Posted by TobiasM (Post 2884703)
Exactly, its quite sinister, surprised people buy into this, allowing yourself to be bugged.

I used to be a privacy advocate, but since this happened, I don‘t care anymore:

https://www.humanrights.ch/de/mensch...endienstgesetz

Tom1234 11.12.2017 15:29

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Originally Posted by dawiz (Post 2884668)
Agreed, importing goods is a nightmare and I‘m guessing exporting to Switzerland isn‘t any better. But that can‘t be the reason why they‘re not releasing the Echo here at this time - as exporting to most countries on the list of newly supported locations will be similarly difficult

Exporting from Switzerland is worse.

I've thrown many business plans in the bin after being thwarted by export costs.

TobiasM 11.12.2017 15:29

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My watch already listens to everything I say. If anybody were remotely interested in what some nobody in the Alps had to say, they'd be thoroughly enthralled by conversations about aeroplane cows, complaints about German homework and musings on putative indigenous American influences on modern European genes.

Let them listen! They'll be bored solid while I'll get to read my emails in class, check the weather at a glance and turn Led Zeppelin up loud without fumbling for my phone.

Seems like a fair trade for me. :D
At the moment DB it might be just peachy. You are basically happy to accept that intrusion on your privacy, because you think you have nothing to hide and your watch is practical. But that is the way this surveillance infiltrates everyone. All our communications, from posting on this website to talking over Skype is giving unlimited access and reams of personal Data to whomever wants it. At some point in the future it could be used to expose behaviour not acceptable to whomever is in power. Algorithms are already being used from facial recognition to gather information for AI and robotics, for example. Other data is being gathered and has in fact been used to manipulate people through Social Media into making very odd decisions in voting (just look up how Cambridge Analytica has behaved). As a teacher I would have thought you would have been more aware of the implications of this sort of surveillance, its certainly not harmless. Also you have to be careful what you discuss in front of Alexa as a friend of mine received an Email "Amazon recommendation for you" for a Hot Tub, when she had only been discussing Hot Tubs with a friend on her phone. :msncrazy:

Castro 11.12.2017 15:30

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My watch already listens to everything I say. If anybody were remotely interested in what some nobody in the Alps had to say, they'd be thoroughly enthralled by conversations about aeroplane cows, complaints about German homework and musings on possible indigenous American influences on modern European genes.

Let them listen! They'll be bored solid while I'll get to read my emails in class, check the weather at a glance and turn Led Zeppelin up loud without fumbling for my phone.

Seems like a fair trade for me. :D
They say the average American commits 3 felonies per day.. be it smacking an unruly toddler, fudging your taxes or paying a tradesman cash-in-hand. I have enough to worry about without a late night knock on the door from the authorities, all for the sake of a little more convenience :msncrazy:

Anyway, each to their own

TobiasM 11.12.2017 15:35

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Originally Posted by dawiz (Post 2884728)
I used to be a privacy advocate, but since this happened, I don‘t care anymore:

https://www.humanrights.ch/de/mensch...endienstgesetz

Well that is fine for you. But I care. Governments are using the fight against terror as an excuse to infringe on our civil liberties. And the terrorists are laughing and winning at the same time.

dawiz 11.12.2017 16:04

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Originally Posted by TobiasM (Post 2884737)
Well that is fine for you. But I care. Governments are using the fight against terror as an excuse to infringe on our civil liberties. And the terrorists are laughing and winning at the same time.

Oh no, I completely agree with you. I couldn‘t believe my eyes when the results of that vote were published. And yeah, I also consider that a victory for the terrorists. But considering the fact that the NDB listens in on anything they want now and mass data is being gathered, it simply won‘t matter if I put an Echo in my house or not. They also listen in on our laptops, smartphones, watches, security cameras etc. etc.

I probably should have worded that differently: it‘s not that I don‘t care but that I have moved towards resignation.

Corbets 11.12.2017 17:15

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Originally Posted by TobiasM (Post 2884737)
Well that is fine for you. But I care. Governments are using the fight against terror as an excuse to infringe on our civil liberties. And the terrorists are laughing and winning at the same time.

... and what do government excesses have to do with anything in a thread about Amazon‘s Echo (a product made by a private company)?

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pu...lfoil_2322.jpg

TobiasM 11.12.2017 17:51

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Originally Posted by Corbets (Post 2884784)
... and what do government excesses have to do with anything in a thread about Amazon‘s Echo (a product made by a private company)?

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pu...lfoil_2322.jpg

Lol exactly.

Can I put it this way then? Amazon Echo, a device to help you shop more :D

Guest 11.12.2017 18:02

Re: Why does Amazon shun Switzerland?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Castro (Post 2884698)
I see it as a blessing in disguise... 'always connected, always listening'

No ta :rolleyes:

I hope you don't use a smart phone :p

https://www.wired.com/2017/05/hundre...ons-cant-hear/


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