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Old 15.03.2018, 19:24
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Re: When fiberglass-intrnet finally reaches me - detail-questions

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Keep in mind that Powerline will not work with the latest generation of "breakers" in your main panel. We did an update a while ago and it killed the devolos.

Best to "borrow" one to test it first.
You did an update on what?
I didn't quite understand that. What main panel?
You mean that if a higher frequency signal is sent through a power line device than it was layed out for it will bust?

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Old 15.03.2018, 20:52
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You did an update on what?
I didn't quite understand that. What main panel?
You mean that if a higher frequency signal is sent through a power line device than it was layed out for it will bust?

<<Best to "borrow" one to test it first.>> u-hu, what a nice person you are
On the "mail panel" (where you have the breakers for the electricity - unless you have the very old screw in fuses) there is a new generation that I think is called "FI". To answer your question, the main panel is where the electricity comes into the house/apt.

This FI version "dampens" the devolo signal, especially when it needs to go across two circuits.

I am not an electrician but I saw the results on our system - the devolo system no longer worked.

So, the suggestion (sorry I sold mine) is to test devolo before buying.
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Old 15.03.2018, 21:18
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On the "mail panel" (where you have the breakers for the electricity - unless you have the very old screw in fuses) there is a new generation that I think is called "FI". To answer your question, the main panel is where the electricity comes into the house/apt.

This FI version "dampens" the devolo signal, especially when it needs to go across two circuits.

I am not an electrician but I saw the results on our system - the devolo system no longer worked.

So, the suggestion (sorry I sold mine) is to test devolo before buying.
As I understand it you had 2 powerline devices operating on seperate lines thru the circuit breakers?
However, I believe these devices usually operate on the same powerline after the circuit breaker?
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Old 15.03.2018, 21:22
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Don't need to run any cables thru. Just use the existing phone lines.
But that's an analog phone line (from 18-hundreds, I suspect, definitely older than any I ever had)!
Are you saying I could just exchange the socket-type and it would work??
(Say yes, say yes, at least for the installation I have now).

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On the "mail panel" (where you have the breakers for the electricity - unless you have the very old screw in fuses) there is a new generation that I think is called "FI". To answer your question, the main panel is where the electricity comes into the house/apt.

This FI version "dampens" the devolo signal, especially when it needs to go across two circuits.

I am not an electrician but I saw the results on our system - the devolo system no longer worked.

So, the suggestion (sorry I sold mine) is to test devolo before buying.
Ah, that. No that is up to date here and I've been using power line for a long time.
I also don't think the FI dampens the devolo signal. The FI just snaps big time if devolo - or anything - decides to overdo it. In fact I find it strange that you built in FI and it grilled your devolo. This is exactly what it should prevent.
But I'm no electrician either. I'm sure Tom will jump in soon and clear that up.
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As I understand it you had 2 powerline devices operating on seperate lines thru the circuit breakers?
However, I believe these devices usually operate on the same powerline after the circuit breaker?
Once again, I am just the "consumer" so I can't explain the technical issue(s). You have a devolo that is with the modem (so on circuit A). Then the second one is someplace else (circuit B).

Chances are in any apt. or house situation that the devolo will be one a different circuit. In our case, on the main floor and on the second floor. The new FI circuits did not let the devolo signal pass between the circuits. Once again this is my "interpretation" of what was happening.

I have not done a Google search to see what the issue is/was. I just moved on to a cat5 wired solution.
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Old 15.03.2018, 21:46
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Once again, I am just the "consumer" so I can't explain the technical issue(s). You have a devolo that is with the modem (so on circuit A). Then the second one is someplace else (circuit B).

Chances are in any apt. or house situation that the devolo will be one a different circuit. In our case, on the main floor and on the second floor. The new FI circuits did not let the devolo signal pass between the circuits. Once again this is my "interpretation" of what was happening.

I have not done a Google search to see what the issue is/was. I just moved on to a cat5 wired solution.
Must have been something else in your case. My devolos are also on different circuits/fuses.
The fact that it let not pass the signal from the start is interesting. That would be the case if for example I'd install one devolo here and one at my neighbour's. That wouldn't work.
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Don't need to run any cables thru. Just use the existing phone lines.
As I understood from recent discussions with Swisscom, if they ever upgrade our area, they will replace the old phone cables both outside and inside.

To the OP, if you can get your hands on the electric plans for your house you might find an empty pipe which can be used. Sometimes these are plastered over, or even wallpapered over and you don't know they are there.

A good electrician may also be able to find a solution for you.
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Must have been something else in your case. My devolos are also on different circuits/fuses.
The fact that it let not pass the signal from the start is interesting. That would be the case if for example I'd install one devolo here and one at my neighbour's. That wouldn't work.
That apparently depends on the spec your Devolo/homeplug is built to.

I used them a couple of times when they were still fairly new, and often had problems. Ones built to the newer spec may be more likely to work. See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug

@Curley: I would say just wait and see what your speeds are like once the faster line is connected to your apt. Your bottleneck was, iirc, not between the rooms in the house, but from the house to the outside world. Your powerline adaptor may be enough once your line is faster.
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Must have been something else in your case. My devolos are also on different circuits/fuses.
The fact that it let not pass the signal from the start is interesting. That would be the case if for example I'd install one devolo here and one at my neighbour's. That wouldn't work.
It might work if your neighbor is in the same house!
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But that's an analog phone line (from 18-hundreds, I suspect, definitely older than any I ever had)!
Are you saying I could just exchange the socket-type and it would work??
(Say yes, say yes, at least for the installation I have now).
Can't say yes for sure but this should do the trick:

https://www.distrelec.ch/en/rj45-cro...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

You will need at least 2 of em.
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Old 16.03.2018, 11:56
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It might work if your neighbor is in the same house!
It better not. As - who would be paying who's electricity if the circuits of the different flats weren't clearly separated?

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Can't say yes for sure but this should do the trick:

https://www.distrelec.ch/en/rj45-cro...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

You will need at least 2 of em.
No that wouldn't work, as it's an old phone-socket I have here. This would I suppose. But I decided not to go for it for the short time left as my power line solution works.

I did quite a lot of googling last night and 2018 seems to be the year of major changes from Swisscom re basic connections anyway.
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Old 17.01.2019, 13:12
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Re: When fiberglass-intrnet finally reaches me - detail-questions

So my powerline solution was great .... while it lasted, which was until last week-end.
For several days - weeks? - my internet (wlan) upstairs was playing up but reconnecting to wlan usually did the trick. Until it no longer did.
So I tried the "rattling" on the powerline plugs (used to work too, LOL).

When I unplugged the connector which was in the extra socket of the powerland I had my own personal belated fireworks. The powerline itself I could not get out of the wall socket!
What puzzled me was that the fuse did not pop. (Turns out needs a 10A shot for it to do so or how ever you phrase that in English).
As I didn't know that at that moment I called the landlord, who came by and pulled out the powerline-thingy (a) he is stronger and b) it's his socket so he was not worried pulling it off the wall .... which he didn't).

It looked like this:

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The socket looked accordingly. (But power was still there).

The outcome was perfect for me though as when the electrician came to change the socket, I asked about using the pipe for the old phone-line (which nobody needs anymore ever) for a LAN cable connection. While the price put me off a bit the landlord standing next to us said: "Yeah, go ahead, while you're at it".
It turned out to be a two hour job - with all of us helping - as the old phone cable went through two of my rooms plus two different people's "hobby-rooms" which actually have nothing to do with my flat.

So now I got LAN-connection from upstairs to downstairs. For free.
Talk about taking the long path .... but hey, I sure am pleased now.
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Re: When fiberglass-intrnet finally reaches me - detail-questions

Yes running an Ethernet cable is usually the best option. If you don't use the phone lines, then these conduits can be used to run Ethernet cable instead. Best not to run Ethernet close to power lines, in theory they suggest any crossing to be done at 90 degrees to minimise interference.

After spending many years in rented accommodation, I eventually built my own house and have Ethernet running to all three floors.

Also not used an old fashioned phone line for close to 10 years, since switching to VOIP accounts

btw: OP did you get your fibre installed? Been promised this for many years, but still waiting, including had an official notification from Swisscom that fibre would be installed March 2018 but then nothing happened. From my understanding you would have fibre into the house which plugs into your fibre router.

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Yes running an Ethernet cable is usually the best option. If you don't use the phone lines, then these conduits can be used to run Ethernet cable instead. Best not to run Ethernet close to power lines, in theory they suggest any crossing to be done at 90 degrees to minimise interference.

After spending many years in rented accommodation, I eventually built my own house and have Ethernet running to all three floors.

Also not used an old fashioned phone line for close to 10 years, since switching to VOIP accounts

btw: OP did you get your fibre installed? Been promised this for many years, but still waiting, including had an official notification from Swisscom that fibre would be installed March 2018 but then nothing happened. From my understanding you would have fibre into the house which plugs into your fibre router.
We have no idea what the heck is going on. They started digging, making life very inconvenient for us in November. Then they closed the roads again - the pipes that had been stored next to the roads are gone but we don't know whether into the ground or back to their depot as the holes were not for fibre only.
All this was up to the junction but not a mm up our road!

My landlord said to me this week "don't talk to me about fibre " ROFL

It is done from tax-money. We voted about it. Then they found out they will never make any money on renting the line out and said "you folks in the hamlets are too expensive to connect" (we're okay to pay full taxes though). Then they had to do other work to our hamlet and said, we get it in November 2018 ....
We basically decided to believe it when it's done and not to think about it anymore until there is a connection in our cellar.
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We have no idea what the heck is going on. They started digging, making life very inconvenient for us in November. Then they closed the roads again - the pipes that had been stored next to the roads are gone but we don't know whether into the ground or back to their depot as the holes were not for fibre only.
All this was up to the junction but not a mm up our road!

My landlord said to me this week "don't talk to me about fibre " ROFL

It is done from tax-money. We voted about it. Then they found out they will never make any money on renting the line out and said "you folks in the hamlets are too expensive to connect" (we're okay to pay full taxes though). Then they had to do other work to our hamlet and said, we get it in November 2018 ....
We basically decided to believe it when it's done and not to think about it anymore until there is a connection in our cellar.

Here there were 3 companies involved.

One opened up the streets and closed them again while laying the cables in the street. Another company later came to open holes upfront of each building and bring the cables in. A 3rd company brought cables from the building central spot to each apartment.

From the first digging in the street it took 7 months before we actually had a connection in our living room.
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We have no idea what the heck is going on. They started digging, making life very inconvenient for us in November. Then they closed the roads again - the pipes that had been stored next to the roads are gone but we don't know whether into the ground or back to their depot as the holes were not for fibre only.
All this was up to the junction but not a mm up our road!

My landlord said to me this week "don't talk to me about fibre " ROFL

It is done from tax-money. We voted about it. Then they found out they will never make any money on renting the line out and said "you folks in the hamlets are too expensive to connect" (we're okay to pay full taxes though). Then they had to do other work to our hamlet and said, we get it in November 2018 ....
We basically decided to believe it when it's done and not to think about it anymore until there is a connection in our cellar.
Agree, not worth thinking about till we have the connection delivered. We live in a dead end street at the edge of the town (last street before the forest). All houses are single family homes (individually designed/built), so the cost/benefit is low. But we probably pay more tax (higher income, higher assets/net worth...) than most I guess but obviously this does not count for anything...

They are adding some small apartment blocks on the road leading to ours, so maybe they will put fibre in for them and extend this to us, but not holding my breath...

Every so often enter my address into the Fibre availability search in Swisscom and more recently Salt, including email me with updates. So we'll see, but Swisscom have been promising this for years now.
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Agree, not worth thinking about till we have the connection delivered. We live in a dead end street at the edge of the town (last street before the forest). All houses are single family homes (individually designed/built), so the cost/benefit is low. But we probably pay more tax (higher income, higher assets/net worth...) than most I guess but obviously this does not count for anything...

They are adding some small apartment blocks on the road leading to ours, so maybe they will put fibre in for them and extend this to us, but not holding my breath...

Every so often enter my address into the Fibre availability search in Swisscom and more recently Salt, including email me with updates. So we'll see, but Swisscom have been promising this for years now.
LOL, we will share the feeling of "they brought it to the junction 500m from my house".

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Are they EF'ers?
The boys pulled up at 8 a.m. this morning and dug two holes already by 11 a.m.
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Re: When fiberglass-intrnet finally reaches me - detail-questions

Would a mesh wifi system be a better solution than powerline?

We,re considering it for our home office at the moment...
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