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Old 19.06.2018, 18:47
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Re: Alternatives to BBC news

Media caters to the average reader. Average reader wants less and less text. People want vids, OP.

I think I'd be ok with FoxNews if it wasn't so tabloid. It is the presentation too, that sidetracks.
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Old 19.06.2018, 18:56
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Re: Alternatives to BBC news

For something different: http://www.montypython.com
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Old 19.06.2018, 19:16
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I go to BBC to see what happened and elsewhere to see why it happened. BBC bias annoys. CNN is worse, obvious infotainment. Reuter used to be good but also find it suiting certain politically okayed agenda.

The Onion is cool.
You obviously realise the Onion is satire.

Reuters is a good source of direct reporting like AP itís a news agency so itís objective is to sell news stories. I donít think there is a political bias with either.

The Beeb is great, but I guess since the world service stopped, news has become less of an important part of of its service. Itís focus is on broadcast programming and entertainment thatís where the profits come from.
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You obviously realise the Onion is satire.
Nawww....Really?
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Old 19.06.2018, 19:23
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I used to read the BBC website a lot and still do from time to time. They are quite good for getting an overview of the main points of a story but they don't go into details as much as I'd like. Also too many magazine type stories that are not really news and not really balanced.

Also, they are often slow on picking up stories, especially stories that don't confirm left wing viewpoints.

The Telegraph I find isn't as good as it once was. But they still have some good material here and there.

The Guardian is useful to get the other side of a story.

the Economist is amusing if you want to see how you can twist any fact to fit a foregone conclusion.

FT is good if you want something that's refereshingly different. I don't always agree, mind you. But they are often thought provoking. Which is what journalism should be.

For balanced, objective and well rersearched views I can recommend The Onion.
I read this, don't always agree on all but we need more of the thoughtfulness and autonomy that he represents.

www.nzz.ch/meinung/kolumnen/liessmann/

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Old 19.06.2018, 19:35
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Re: Alternatives to BBC news

I wasnít suggesting that the BBC should change what they are doing just because I donít like their choices. Whatever they want to do is fine with me. But, I donít have to use them, hence Iím looking for alternatives.

A mix between Reuters and the Onion is just up my street.
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Re: Alternatives to BBC news

I like the FT Weekend and get it delivered - online I read mostly the Times, BBC and occasionally the Telegraph.

But with the exception of the FT and sometimes the Times, I find they're all uniformly bad - full of badly written, pointless stories that used to be confined to the pages of the regional/local rag. I blame social media.
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Old 19.06.2018, 20:47
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But with the exception of the FT and sometimes the Times, I find they're all uniformly bad - full of badly written, pointless stories that used to be confined to the pages of the regional/local rag. I blame social media.
Writers who can't write, writing for readers who can't read.
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I like the FT Weekend and get it delivered - online I read mostly the Times, BBC and occasionally the Telegraph.

But with the exception of the FT and sometimes the Times, I find they're all uniformly bad - full of badly written, pointless stories that used to be confined to the pages of the regional/local rag. I blame social media.
The Times is also holding its own when it comes to badly written fluff these days.
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Old 19.06.2018, 20:59
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Re: Alternatives to BBC news

I love the lack of proof reading.

The Mail was describing the England game today..."The England players were suffering because of all the midgets on the pitch..."
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Re: Alternatives to BBC news

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/
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Old 20.06.2018, 12:26
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I read this, don't always agree on all but we need more of the thoughtfulness and autonomy that he represents.

www.nzz.ch/meinung/kolumnen/liessmann/

His last essay is grand. His books are awesome, too.

Reading him in German isn't the easiest.
NZZ is definitely awesome. Journalism that still deserves the name. I don't think there is any equivalent to that left in the English speaking countries.

Sad really as the NZZ was originally inspired by the English broadsheets.
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Re: Alternatives to BBC news

Drudge report
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Old 20.06.2018, 13:46
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I know one chap who is convinced that the BBC is utterly biased and Russia Today is the only trustworthy source of news.

No - his name isn't Putin.
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Re: Alternatives to BBC news

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Yes, I agree, though it still has a few good writers. I don't really care whether I agree with their opinions - I just want to read an argument that's been properly thought through.

For me, the slippery slope with all the serious papers began with the change from a broadsheet format to a tabloid format. I'm surprised the Independent has been mentioned - it stopped being a newspaper when it stopped putting news on the front page.
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Writers who can't write, writing for readers who can't read.
Yes, though I think I'm doing a disservice to the journalists on the local papers many years ago. They were probably much better trained than journalists these days.
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Old 21.06.2018, 12:56
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You obviously realise the Onion is satire.
No. that's The Local you're confusing it with.
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Old 21.06.2018, 13:07
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Re: Alternatives to BBC news

This and also The Economist and FT. I actually lost interest in BBC long, long time ago. The NY Times too, occasionally.
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Old 21.06.2018, 15:24
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I actually lost interest in BBC long, long time ago.
I haven't lost interest with the BBC, and I still think their World Service tv and radio is second to none. My issue stems from them being slammed about 10yrs ago for reporting a breaking story incorrectly. I can't remember the actual story, but since then, they've taken being overly cautious to the extreme.

Case in point...
In my last office location, one wall of the room was covered by a bank of 16 large tv screens set on all the major news channels. The volume was off and subtitles running on all the screens. We were notified of any major travel related incident by the hooter going off 3 times, which sounded like the noise the use in films before a submarine dives.

I wasn't in work when MH370 disappeared, but for 3 major incidents, Charlie Hebdo, MH17 and Germanwings 9525, the BBC were up to 20mins late in reporting the news other than a banner running at the bottom of the screen. Particularly with Charlie Hebdo, we were getting live footage from the area 10mins before the BBC website had released anything more than a headline banner with 'more news to follow'. That really annoyed me and a good few of my colleagues, because we knew of certain companies that had BBC travel alerts on employees' work phones. Since then, I've turned off my BBC travel alerts, and only have Sky News and Reuters travel alerts on my phone.

I totally get that it's a fine balance between getting your facts right for a news story and issuing an alert, but when it comes to giving subscribers a valid alert that could direct them out of harm's way, then I believe they should give the information they have immediately and let the client make their own decision. Sitting on information for up to 20mins when there's a live situation going on, is not an acceptable service.

Mind you, my oldest work related gripe about the BBC comes from 7/7 when they 'exposed' a hotel chain for profiting from the event, then went soft on them when the legal team got involved, and they got away with it.
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I know one chap who is convinced that the BBC is utterly biased and Russia Today is the only trustworthy source of news.

No - his name isn't Putin.
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