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Old 22.06.2018, 21:57
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Re: Alternatives to BBC news

There is a fine balance between not reporting on something because you need to get your facts straight, and being bold and risking having to issue an apology later.

In the case of the BBC, I don't think it is true that they are always late because of over caution. I feel that it's stories that confirm a leftist point of view that tend to get published quickly with the caveat that they can apologise later, and it's stories that confirm a rightist agenda that don't get published until it just gets too embarrassing to hold out any longer.
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Re: Alternatives to BBC news

The Week UK and US websites are great for hearing all sides of a story.
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Old 23.06.2018, 01:38
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In the case of the BBC, I don't think it is true that they are always late because of over caution. I feel that it's stories that confirm a leftist point of view that tend to get published quickly with the caveat that they can apologise later, and it's stories that confirm a rightist agenda that don't get published until it just gets too embarrassing to hold out any longer.
I don't see that at all. Their coverage is perhaps broadly liberal (with a small 'l', and not to be confused with the American usage of the word which seems to mean left-wing, or radical, or something else I'm not quite clear about) but I can't see why anyone would think that a bad thing. To me it seems that they're slightly more interested in looking at how events affect people than how they may or may not conform with any political viewpoint, and I value that perspective as a largely unbiased starting point.

As for late, I don't give a hoot. If I wanted up to the minute news I'd watch it in TV news channels. And I never watch news in TV.
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Old 29.06.2018, 00:37
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The only I've I haven't tried for a while is the Independent, so I might give it another try for a while. At a quick glance it doesn't look too bad.
Reporting back - no, it's not up to the job. More obvious bias than the beeb, particular on Brexit issues, making big critical headlines about everything the pro- camp do, for example. And even more of their stories are videos, which I'm just not interested in watching. I just want a simple list of articles so that I can choose the ones I'm interested in - is that too much to ask?

Oh, and it's got an auto-update on the main page, so if I go back to a previously-opened tab, to read something I didn't have time for earlier, the contents will have changed. Grrr.
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Re: Alternatives to BBC news

Late to this thread. Second many of the views on here. I also want text, text and more text - BBC is too video centric, and their clear anti-Brexit bias annoyed me. I take my daily politics news from The Spectator - Coffee House Shots podcast is awesome, analysis second to none. Subscribe to that magazine as well and also get full online access to all their content. For sport - my guilty pleasure is football - here I use The Guardian. I hate giving them the traffic, and their equally objectionable woke politics also seeps into the sports pages. But I have to say, the content is well written in the main. If there's a good, free alternative I'd be interested.

For me it's interesting to follow the current debates in UK about decriminalizing the license fee. It's a pertinent debate given the Serafe issues here - that's another annual tax that I object to paying. The only 'Swiss media' I consume is 20 Minutes on the train to work.

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Re: Alternatives to BBC news

Hi,

thanks for the comedy *clear anti-Brexit bias annoyed me". I used other news services because the BBC not challenging the lies of the leave campaign and not challenging the Brexit disaster much more. They did not have to keep interviewing Nigel Farage. I could not trust them on covering Brexit in a non biased way. Just look at the dreadful QT which invited a racist to sit in the audience and then to spout a set of ignorant racist bile. I find BBC coverage normally very good.

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Old 28.02.2020, 09:36
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Late to this thread. Second many of the views on here. I also want text, text and more text - BBC is too video centric, and their clear anti-Brexit bias annoyed me. I take my daily politics news from The Spectator - Coffee House Shots podcast is awesome, analysis second to none. Subscribe to that magazine as well and also get full online access to all their content. For sport - my guilty pleasure is football - here I use The Guardian. I hate giving them the traffic, and their equally objectionable woke politics also seeps into the sports pages. But I have to say, the content is well written in the main. If there's a good, free alternative I'd be interested.
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So yet another alt-right that regards anyone that doesn't 100% agree with them as biased.
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Old 28.02.2020, 09:45
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Re: Alternatives to BBC news

BBC has a website design problem, not a content problem. Having said that CNN is even worse with extremely annoying videos that start playing automatically once you scroll down. Then you have to scroll up, pause it and get back down to finish reading. I've pretty much stopped visiting both since I re-discovered the FT. I find them the best overall content provider and should my corporate subscription stop would gladly pay
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So yet another alt-right that regards anyone that doesn't 100% agree with them as biased.
Is it EF that attracts them because they feel welcome here?
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Re: Alternatives to BBC news

New York Times is good for international news but you need a subscription (cheap for digital) to get much beyond the front page of the website.
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Old 28.02.2020, 11:48
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Late to this thread. Second many of the views on here. I also want text, text and more text - BBC is too video centric, and their clear anti-Brexit bias annoyed me. I take my daily politics news from The Spectator - Coffee House Shots podcast is awesome, analysis second to none. Subscribe to that magazine as well and also get full online access to all their content. For sport - my guilty pleasure is football - here I use The Guardian. I hate giving them the traffic, and their equally objectionable woke politics also seeps into the sports pages. But I have to say, the content is well written in the main. If there's a good, free alternative I'd be interested.

For me it's interesting to follow the current debates in UK about decriminalizing the license fee. It's a pertinent debate given the Serafe issues here - that's another annual tax that I object to paying. The only 'Swiss media' I consume is 20 Minutes on the train to work.
So in a nutshell you’re looking for a news service that delivers news and analysis you agree with. The only interesting thing about the BBC license debate in the U.K. is how easy it seems to be to convince the British public to give up a key element of their democracy - free press. It seems to me that the BBC can’t be doing such a bad job since all parties are convinced they are biased against them.

The dumbing down of the British public is in full swing...
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So in a nutshell you’re looking for a news service that delivers news and analysis you agree with. The only interesting thing about the BBC license debate in the U.K. is how easy it seems to be to convince the British public to give up a key element of their democracy - free press. It seems to me that the BBC can’t be doing such a bad job since all parties are convinced they are biased against them.

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That's been going on since news services were invented.

Do you think Tories bought and read "Socialist Worker"?
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Old 28.02.2020, 12:16
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So in a nutshell you’re looking for a news service that delivers news and analysis you agree with. The only interesting thing about the BBC license debate in the U.K. is how easy it seems to be to convince the British public to give up a key element of their democracy - free press. It seems to me that the BBC can’t be doing such a bad job since all parties are convinced they are biased against them.

The dumbing down of the British public is in full swing...
The BBC has been dumbing down for a long time now. Trying to be more CNN than CNN. As I said before , the BBC is still ok if you want to get a low resolution big picture view . But if you want to know why these things are happening , you can get better insights elsewhere . Personally I like NZZ. And not because they confirm what I already think. They have journalists who sometimes do that, but they also have journalists who say pretty much the opposite . But they generally argue in an intelligent and civilized manner and admit when they got something wrong . Very much old school journalism where their reputation still counts for more than appeasing the clowns. Journalism that supplies you with the facts but leaves you space to work out your own conclusions .

But that said, I think it’s never right to get all your news from a single source . It is always good to seek out the other side of the argument. Even if that means listening to people you totally disagree with .
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For anything international and especially on Asia do I highly recommend the SCMP. I was worried that the paper would degrade after Jack Ma bought it but it turns out it did the opposite: Very unbiased and highly objective on difficult topics like the HK protests, Corona and more. I am pretty amazed how open they can critizise the Chinese leadership (while having an owner living in mainland China).
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New York Times is good for international news but you need a subscription (cheap for digital) to get much beyond the front page of the website.
For now there's an easy way around that with the NYT or WP on a phone, use the Pocket app. Don't open the link to the story, hold it and click share -> add to Pocket, and the full text will be immediately available in Pocket.
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But that said, I think it’s never right to get all your news from a single source . It is always good to seek out the other side of the argument. Even if that means listening to people you totally disagree with .
I often read the Guardian opinion pieces for a laugh.

Even better when they allow comments and the authors and their awful ideas just get ripped to shreds
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So yet another alt-right that regards anyone that doesn't 100% agree with them as biased.
Yet another woke lefty oscillating wildly between stage 1-2 of Kübler-Ross. Intolerant of any kind of dissent yet still pretending to espouse a 'kinder, gentler politics'. I didn't ask for you to festoon me, someone you don't know, with your cheap labels. Don't worry, I'll never invite you to tea! Enjoy your weekend.
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