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Old 05.07.2018, 22:05
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Re: TV replay is maybe at an end!

well it's like when people used to download music from sites like Frost Wire. It was highly illegal and the music companies went crazy. The same is happening with the TV senders. They have to change their whole way of thinking.
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Old 05.07.2018, 22:39
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well it's like when people used to download music from sites like Frost Wire. It was highly illegal and the music companies went crazy. The same is happening with the TV senders. They have to change their whole way of thinking.
It is not at all the same. As replay TV is not illegal.
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Old 06.07.2018, 07:36
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It is not at all the same. As replay TV is not illegal.
True but its the same reaktion. And look at the way music is downloaded these days and all legal. They had to adapt

Here's another artikel in German.

https://www.watson.ch/digital/schwei...hen-verhindern


If that comes through, the lobbyists of the TV stations have done a great job: Continue to receive revenue from the "billag" and then additional revenue from the "advertising viewing compulsion" when you turn on a station. Thanks all you out there who voted for Billag!!

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The Telecommunications Commission pronounced itself clearly on Tuesday for restrictions with Replay TV.

Step back into the Stone Age of media consumption. You can be sure that some politician or politicians are wanting to suck some money off.

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Old 06.07.2018, 12:41
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True but its the same reaktion. And look at the way music is downloaded these days and all legal. They had to adapt

Here's another artikel in German.

https://www.watson.ch/digital/schwei...hen-verhindern


If that comes through, the lobbyists of the TV stations have done a great job: Continue to receive revenue from the "billag" and then additional revenue from the "advertising viewing compulsion" when you turn on a station. Thanks all you out there who voted for Billag!!

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The Telecommunications Commission pronounced itself clearly on Tuesday for restrictions with Replay TV.

Step back into the Stone Age of media consumption. You can be sure that some politician or politicians are wanting to suck some money off.
Your link led to "Keinen Knochen gefunden" (not a bone found) = the page has disappeared.

Well, what was before Stone Age? That's where I shall step back into
I already hardly watch tv anymore - I can easily do without.

I expect a referendum on this though, so we'll meet at the ballot box
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Old 06.07.2018, 12:47
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How about making the adverts so interesting or entertaining that people actually want to see them?
Some of the British TV adverts years ago reached iconic status...

Now they're crap.

Even if they fashion some kind of law to prevent skipping through ads, most people are flicking through their phone or making a brew then anyway.
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Some of the British TV adverts years ago reached iconic status...

Now they're crap.

Even if they fashion some kind of law to prevent skipping through ads, most people are flicking through their phone or making a brew then anyway.
Well this person is not like dummy flicking through his whatever!!
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Old 10.07.2018, 18:08
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Re: TV replay is maybe at an end!

A bit more info. Translated from German



The question is who will row back? The SRG hardly. Here is a small compilation of "interests"



Here is a triangle of interests.

The SRG wants the ban to protect your advertising.
Swisscom wants to sell coils as added value in the subscription and is against such a ban. (Thus, Swisscom fights by itself against)
The customer wants as possible no advertising and not pay three times (Billag & Conn. Geb. Provider & Werbung)

So now if the customer announces the subscriptions to the provider, he does not reach the polluter (SRG) and thus has no (direct) effect, because the SRG is interested only so far for the subscription income of the provider, as you need as a printmaker for better conditions can.



I can well imagine that the providers are in agreement with the SRG in this and declare this as additional costs and on the subscribers "continue to charge and the coils even more expensive.



Conclusion would be:

The providers have a scapegoat and can push the "blame" on the SRG.
The SRG can not care that. They are in fact untouchable by customers.
The customer pays more and more for less and less and has to endure advertising spam in the rough stalk
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Old 10.07.2018, 18:16
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Re: TV replay is maybe at an end!

We don't watch much TV but when we do, it's almost exclusively replay on Swisscom (Apart from live sporting events)


We're inundated with adverts at every turn, would be disappointed if this was no longer available
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Re: TV replay is maybe at an end!

The likes of Netflix must be rubbing their hands in glee at this.


Fact is, theyre producing enough original content to start challenging the entire concept of a centralised TV/Internet service provider. I know of a few people who have eschewed entirely their Swisscom TV subscription, and use only their Netflix accounts. If they pass this absurd rule, i can see more people doing the same, reducing the effectiveness of adverts even further.


Lets be honest, even in live TV, people dont 'watch' the adverts - they use the breaks in programming to do other stuff. go for a pee, or make a coffee, or whatever. Few actually watch adverts, so their effectiveness went down the drain a long time ago.


TV advertising, much like sandwich board advertising, is largely obsolete. thats the problem. Theyre trying to extend life support for an advertising format that is on its way out already.
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Old 11.07.2018, 00:02
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The likes of Netflix must be rubbing their hands in glee at this.


Fact is, theyre producing enough original content to start challenging the entire concept of a centralised TV/Internet service provider. I know of a few people who have eschewed entirely their Swisscom TV subscription, and use only their Netflix accounts. If they pass this absurd rule, i can see more people doing the same, reducing the effectiveness of adverts even further.


Lets be honest, even in live TV, people dont 'watch' the adverts - they use the breaks in programming to do other stuff. go for a pee, or make a coffee, or whatever. Few actually watch adverts, so their effectiveness went down the drain a long time ago.


TV advertising, much like sandwich board advertising, is largely obsolete. thats the problem. Theyre trying to extend life support for an advertising format that is on its way out already.
We get fiber optic connection by the end of this year, I don't plan to get tv description.

In fact I tried to cancel TV with cablecom when they put the price up. They phoned me and ended up putting the price for the internet-connection down so my monthly end-price stayed the same. No kidding! ROFL. So I still have it, never use it anymore

As to 'nobody watched the ads anyway", true but it takes a lot longer to watch a programme and there is only so much peeing one can do within 3 hours

If this goes through, does anybody know when it will be implemented? Will zattoo price for example just go up or will it no longer be available?
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Old 11.07.2018, 07:37
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Re: TV replay is maybe at an end!

Its the consumer that has to fight back. No one else.
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Some of the British TV adverts years ago reached iconic status...

Now they're crap.

Even if they fashion some kind of law to prevent skipping through ads, most people are flicking through their phone or making a brew then anyway.
The ones for Money Supermarket are pretty good.
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Re: TV replay is maybe at an end!

The only programme I watch live is SKY News and CNBC, everything else is recorded due to conflicting schedules or inconvenient (for me) times. I hardly ever watch Swiss TV as the programmes are rarely of interest, and if they are, the chances are it's a UK or US series I've already seen.

My other reason for recording is I can skip through the uninteresting or boring parts and on average reduce a one hour programme down to 25 minutes.
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Re: TV replay is maybe at an end!

Actually it seems simple. If this is gonna be a Swiss-thing, zattoo & Co. simply no longer offer those Swiss-channels.

<<Die Fernmeldekommission des Nationalrats will das zeitversetzte Fernsehen nur noch mit Zustimmung der TV-Sender zulassen>> The National Council's telecommunications commission wants to allow time-shift TV consumption only with permission of the tv-stations.

Those which don't agree won't be offered. They will probably soon be forgotten though. Actually, channels like Pro7, RTL etc. are long forgotten by me already. Even "forward-winding" on those is too much hassle not to mention the few minutes of programme are crap.

I understand that RTL, Pro-7 etc. have a serious problem. But I wonder if this motion by SRG was already on the table of the National Council when we voted about Bilag? (I assume it was as the Swiss govenement works v.e.r.y. slowly )
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Re: TV replay is maybe at an end!

If you just want the free to view UK channels. buy a Freesat HD Decoder and recorder in the UK (Samsung ones are great) and put up a small satellite dish. Works great for about £150-200 and you can install it yourself easily.
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Re: TV replay is maybe at an end!

And the latest news. Not good. In German. Seems replay without ads will soon be not possible

https://www.watson.ch/digital/tv/737...erspult-werden
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Lets be honest, even in live TV, people dont 'watch' the adverts - they use the breaks in programming to do other stuff. go for a pee, or make a coffee, or whatever. Few actually watch adverts, so their effectiveness went down the drain a long time ago.
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If the ads weren't effective, the advertisers wouldn't be paying for them and people wouldn't be buying their products.
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Re: TV replay is maybe at an end!

Is this replay discussion/problem Swiss specific?
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Is this replay discussion/problem Swiss specific?
More I less I think
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