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Old 16.09.2018, 08:06
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New iPhones

Three new iPhones coming. iPhone X-cess,the iPhone X-Rated and the iPhone X-cess Max. Will you be buying one? 1739 CHF for the top of the line phone!

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Old 16.09.2018, 08:27
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Re: New iPhones

I have been waiting for a long time for a "budget" phone, so drooling at the Iphone XR. Available on Oct 26 for CHF879. Lots of sexy colours, and the giant screen means I can chuck my reading glasses away. Face recognition too. No more phone hacking by my kid. Love to buy the exotic one too, but it will be a waste in my case. It's like having a Lambourghini with all the bells and whistles, but not knowing how to get the windows down.
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, but not knowing how to get the windows down.
Apple doesn’t do windows ...

I like the Camera! Changing the depth of field after the picture is taken is simply amazing. Many years ago I could reduce the dof a little in a darkroom, but not increase it. Apple made a big deal about this in their gabfest, but the media hasn’t done the same.
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I have been waiting for a long time for a "budget" phone, so drooling at the Iphone XR. Available on Oct 26 for CHF879. Lots of sexy colours, and the giant screen means I can chuck my reading glasses away. Face recognition too. No more phone hacking by my kid. Love to buy the exotic one too, but it will be a waste in my case. It's like having a Lambourghini with all the bells and whistles, but not knowing how to get the windows down.
879chf is the price of a top Android phone... and this is iphones "budget" model?
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There used to be a thread here where people excitedly posted about new iPhone models. The thread hasn't been updated this time. This says probably a lot about how much people care about new phone models.
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Old 16.09.2018, 09:30
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There used to be a thread here where people excitedly posted about new iPhone models. The thread hasn't been updated this time. This says probably a lot about how much people care about new phone models.
I seem to remember it was also open season to take the piss so it's probably not much of a barometer.
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Old 16.09.2018, 10:33
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I’ll probably get the XS, then sell it for roughly half the purchase price in a couple years. Works for me.
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Re: New iPhones

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I would hope that anyone with any sense would not buy any of them. There are much better and cheaper alternatives available. This is nothing more than profiteering. They cost much less than 400 usd to make. People should vote with their wallets and avoid Apple.

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Old 16.09.2018, 13:29
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I would hope that anyone with any sense would not buy any of them. There are much better and cheaper alternatives available. This is nothing more than profiteering. They cost much less than 400 usd to make. People should vote with their wallets and avoid Apple.

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Old 16.09.2018, 14:13
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I would hope that anyone with any sense would not buy any of them. There are much better and cheaper alternatives available. This is nothing more than profiteering. They cost much less than 400 usd to make. People should vote with their wallets and avoid Apple.

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Well luckily Samsung is a charity organisation.

Oh wait....

My wife will buy a new one, I won't, but only since my current iPhone is one month old.
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Hi,

I would hope that anyone with any sense would not buy any of them. There are much better and cheaper alternatives available. This is nothing more than profiteering. They cost much less than 400 usd to make. People should vote with their wallets and avoid Apple.

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The right price for any product or service is not what it costs to produce but what the punters are willing to pay. Obviously not everyone will want to, or be able to, pay Apple's price. But there will be enough to generate increased profits to Apple's shareholders.

Oh, and that 400 to produce, there are a lot of additional costs in the marketing and distribution of the product. This includes VAT and other monies that go directly to governments.
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Old 16.09.2018, 22:43
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samsung is not the only manufacturer of Android devices and there is quite a choice of prices and functionality from different companies. With Apple you are right they have created a false narrative of price being equivalent to value and quality and sadly some people think the more you pay the better something must be. That is not normally the case. The main thing is do research before buying.

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samsung is not the only manufacturer of Android devices and there is quite a choice of prices and functionality from different companies. With Apple you are right they have created a false narrative of price being equivalent to value and quality and sadly some people think the more you pay the better something must be. That is not normally the case. The main thing is do research before buying.

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Thing to me is that the Apple ecosystem for me personally is simply the best there is, having several laptops, phones, tablets, smartwatches from within the same system is such a pleasure to work with. It all looks good, it feels good, it works amazingly well together, do I care that it's a more expensive.. nope.

You will not hear me say that each device on its own is the best in its market, nor do I care about that. I as many other do appreciate the whole experience and we are willing to pay some more for that.

And given that we sell and buy a lot newly after one or two yrs and seen how much value it keeps it's not that bad.

Back home an electronics chain had one day a yr where you could buy iMacs for 30% cheaper (limited amount and one per customer) Every year I bought a new one and sold the old one for what I paid for the new one. No other brand ever brought me from a financial point of view anything close to such since they just drop to quick in value.
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I’ll probably get the XS, then sell it for roughly half the purchase price in a couple years. Works for me.
Half the purchase price. You could surely get more than half for an iPhone in good condition. They hold their value much better than all others
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Half the purchase price. You could surely get more than half for an iPhone in good condition. They hold their value much better than all others



Omtatsat, it's totally irrelevant what the phone gets sold for, it is a work tool and some people understand this and the loss is amortized with the profit derived from the phone.
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Old 18.09.2018, 07:59
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879chf is the price of a top Android phone... and this is iphones "budget" model?
The " budget" phone is probably more to cater for needs of 3'rd world countries

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Omtatsat, it's totally irrelevant what the phone gets sold for, it is a work tool and some people understand this and the loss is amortized with the profit derived from the phone.
For some people its very relevant how much one sells it for.
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I would hope that anyone with any sense would not buy any of them. There are much better and cheaper alternatives available. This is nothing more than profiteering. They cost much less than 400 usd to make. People should vote with their wallets and avoid Apple.

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ok, if you check how much an android fon cost and you look at the margin...wouldnt the profeteering argument be valid here as well?
android fon manufacturer arent doing it for charity. there is a margin, there is shareholders that want to see profits etc. yep, apple's profit for sure its out of proportion the most in comparison to the manufacturing costs, but people want it, they can afford it, there is a market. for me as of yet i dont need any of those new features that makes me want to buy a new one. why i bought an iphone a few models earlier in first place was the fact that the whole android interface, design, operation, UX for me is a total nightmare! i do not adjust, fiddle or even code it to customize it "for my needs", all the hailed good things about android for me couldnt be worse. so until now there is no better fon from that perspective.
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I would hope that anyone with any sense would not buy any of them. There are much better and cheaper alternatives available. This is nothing more than profiteering. They cost much less than 400 usd to make. People should vote with their wallets and avoid Apple.

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The profit margin is less than that on makeup and deodorant.

I bet a lot of women spend more on makeup per year than on iPhones.
And that doesn't include the coiffeur.

Do you want to berate them, too?
After all, why spend 300 on a haircut if a 30 CHF buzz-cut will do the same?
And women shouldn't use so much make-up anyway. If they're not naturally pretty, there's no point in trying to hide that under thick layers of animal-fat and silicone and other chemicals. Right?



People easily spend 700-1000 CHF on leasing per month.
Do you also go into the for sale threads and berate people for spending so much money on an overpriced car?
Because anything above a Dacia Duster is surely just a rip-off.

Not to speak of the rents or the houses/apartments at 20-30 times yearly rent that are for sale.

And don't get me started on the people who don't buy the cheapest of the cheapest cloths and food. The 60 CHF sweat-shirt from a vendor with a traceable supply-chain and sustainable production is just a rip-off, you can get much more value from a 3 CHF T-shirt made in a sweat-shop in Bangladesh.


And do I have to remind you that most likely your employer also has a healthy profit-margin on the stuff they sell?

I sure as hell do know about mine.

The "better" depends entirely on the criteria one sets.

A lot of people still find a lot of value in them.
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Old 18.09.2018, 10:27
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I use to alternate between Android and iOS on an almost yearly basis until about 2 years ago. For me its now all about simplicity and the overall user experience, from making a call to getting a faulty handset replaced on the spot at an apple store.

With Android I recall occasional niggly issues with bluetooth, wifi connectivity, GPS suddenly crashing whilst driving etc.. with most of these being cured with a force stop or reset but still it highlighted the fact that software and hardware were from two different manufacturers. And when you go on user forums you would see that Google blames the hardware manufacturer and the handset maker would say its the OS. I'm sure Pixels are better since its pure android on a google designed platform, but most people aren't buying those.

Late past year I picked up a friend in a hire car which had Carplay and Android Auto. I plug my phone in and it works straight off the bat, he plugs his Note 8 in, downloads updates etc.. and still it stubbornly refuses to work. He tried for 10 mins before giving up. For me it goes back to the philosophy of not necessarily being first with a new feature, but doing it well. Android these days is certainly better than it was, but for me iOS is still a step ahead.
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For some people its very relevant how much one sells it for.
Yes, but in the opposite way of what you are thinking. I was once upon a time in the marketing team for smartphones at a large Swiss operator. Swiss people by default want the most expensive handset. A mobile phone is with you all the time, the most omnipresent accessory you have. Technology moves too fast to have a Rolex phone, otherwise people would happily pay ten times as much as they do today to show off.


12 or so years ago did people happily pay over 1k on the newest HTC Titan, the current prices are not too high for the Swiss market.
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