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17.01.2019, 21:47
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| | Re: pull a cable from one flat to another? | Quote: | |  | | | The flat to cellar to cellar to flat won't work either as the cellar circuit is usually a "public" one and on no tenants electricity bill | | | | | Ours is definitely on individual circuits, and building is from '82.
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17.01.2019, 21:58
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| | Re: pull a cable from one flat to another? | Quote: | |  | | | I would imagine that this sort of sharing is not allowed by the internet provider? | | | | | They don't like it but they would need to prove it.
Wingo has it in it's handy rules, mentioning if you use the hotspot for 10 people in a flat-share they will stop you. | Quote: | |  | | | Ours is definitely on individual circuits, and building is from '82. 
Tom | | | | | That's good. Most places - our's is from 1993 and is like that - have these cellars which are one room, one light and devided with wooden latticework.
This solution often also has to do with the cellar being the bunker as well = the divisions would be taken out in case of war.
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18.01.2019, 06:46
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| | Re: pull a cable from one flat to another? | Quote: | |  | | | Ours is definitely on individual circuits, and building is from '82. 
Tom | | | | | | Quote: | |  | | | The flat to cellar to cellar to flat won't work either as the cellar circuit is usually a "public" one and on no tenants electricity bill = separate circuits. | | | | | Our cellar runs off our electricity and our neighbours cellar runs of theirs. I thought that would be have been a normal situation. | Quote: | |  | | | (Unless you have one of these fancy flats where each tenant has their own separate washmachine-room downstairs which would involve drilling holes again = permission of landlord). | | | | | That's not fancy, that's complicated. The norm should be each flat/unit has its own self-contained facilities. You don't want to be traipsing downstairs out of your flat into common areas to do washing etc. surely? | 
18.01.2019, 08:05
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| | Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?
1/ If you have adjoining walls, I'd go the drill a hole in the wall route. Make a 'blank' socket on either side with a small hole for the cable. Done this many times in rented apartments to route satellite cables and never had any problems. Maybe there is a cupboard or something where this could be done which would be less noticeable.
In the past have made several changes to the sockets and wiring in a rented apartments. One job I did was to remove a surface mounted power socket that a previous tenant had done with surface mounted cable... I managed to hide the cable and installed the socket into the wall. Also run telephone cables to other rooms and installed new sockets...
2/ As mentioned, 'powerline' needs to be on the same circuit so could be an issue, however any single building would have 3 phases coming into the building and most likely all 3 phases are used in each apartment, just don't know if the configuration would block/interfere with the signal as each apartment will have it's own meter.... So you could try this if you can find a 'shared phase'.
3/ You could try running a cable in the same conduit that is used for your telephone cable (might need to take the telephone cable and run it in the conduit along with the Ethernet cable as adding another cable could be difficult with an existing cable in place)). Would have to run down to the cupboard which most likely is in the cellar and back up to the other apartment. It is NOT recommended to run Ethernet cable next to power cables. Not sure what the total length of the cable run would be - 100m is the MAX for Cat 5e without adding hardware... Cat 6 seems also to be limited to 100m, including the patch cables: https://serverfault.com/questions/63...eters-distance | This user would like to thank szhjcn for this useful post: | | 
18.01.2019, 08:11
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| | Re: pull a cable from one flat to another? | Quote: | |  | | | My neighbor agreed to share his internet connection with me, but we want to do that via cable.
We live in a usual block house, in adjacent flats.
Can we get a normal Ethernet cable from his router to my router, pulled through the existing pipes by some professional?
Would that be possible and legal? | | | | | If you ever vacate the apartment then you have to pay full costs of repairing the holes in the wall etc. Can be expensive. So better have it done by pro
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18.01.2019, 08:24
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| | Re: pull a cable from one flat to another? | Quote: | |  | | | That's good. Most places - our's is from 1993 and is like that - have these cellars which are one room, one light and devided with wooden latticework. | | | | | Ours is also done like that, but the electricity is separate.
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18.01.2019, 08:27
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| | Re: pull a cable from one flat to another? | Quote: | |  | | | My neighbor agreed to share his internet connection with me, but we want to do that via cable.
We live in a usual block house, in adjacent flats.
Can we get a normal Ethernet cable from his router to my router, pulled through the existing pipes by some professional?
Would that be possible and legal? | | | | | Simply remove the dividing wall  The price of a sledge hammer
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18.01.2019, 08:30
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| | Re: pull a cable from one flat to another? | Quote: | |  | | | If you ever vacate the apartment then you have to pay full costs of repairing the holes in the wall etc. Can be expensive. So better have it done by pro | | | | | Tiny bit of polyfiller & nobody will know.
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18.01.2019, 08:34
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| | Re: pull a cable from one flat to another? | Quote: | |  | | | Tiny bit of polyfiller & nobody will know. | | | | | Right on there
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18.01.2019, 10:41
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| | Re: pull a cable from one flat to another? | Quote: | |  | | | Our cellar runs off our electricity and our neighbours cellar runs of theirs. I thought that would be have been a normal situation.  | | | | | Nope, it is not the normal situation here. Yet.
This is still the norm in many places (although the compartements are bigger). http://holzbau-koch.at/leistungen/3-...eile%20(2).jpg | Quote: | |  | | | That's not fancy, that's complicated. The norm should be each flat/unit has its own self-contained facilities. You don't want to be traipsing downstairs out of your flat into common areas to do washing etc. surely?  | | | | | I've seen it in condos (Eigentumswohnungen). You have your own, lockable room downstairs with washmachine/tumbler but also space to hang up laundry. (I for example don't like tumblers).
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18.01.2019, 11:49
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| | Re: pull a cable from one flat to another? | Quote: | |  | | | Nope, it is not the normal situation here. Yet.
This is still the norm in many places (although the compartements are bigger). http://holzbau-koch.at/leistungen/3-...eile%20(2).jpg
I've seen it in condos (Eigentumswohnungen). You have your own, lockable room downstairs with washmachine/tumbler but also space to hang up laundry. (I for example don't like tumblers). | | | | | May be considered normal by some here, but personally any situation whereby you have to go out of your own flat to do your washing for me is definitely not normal. I have never understood why the Swiss force this loopy system upon themselves, it's hardly practical.
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18.01.2019, 15:14
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| | Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?
Study the possibility of using the coaxial cable TV and some MoCA adapters.
This is how I send wired internet from the living room to my bedroom. In my case I use DECA that were really cheap if purchased via eBay.
To use a DECA I could not have cable TV nor internet/VoIP by Cablecom, this was not an issue as my internet/VoIP is by vDSL. Apart from the bits and pieces I had to purchase to fit the Swiss coax TV sockets, all I had to do is getting new 12V PSU at eBay to feed the DECA adapters and physically disconnect the cable tv branch feeding my apartment.
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18.01.2019, 16:14
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| | Re: pull a cable from one flat to another? | Quote: | |  | | | Study the possibility of using the coaxial cable TV and some MoCA adapters.
This is how I send wired internet from the living room to my bedroom. In my case I use DECA that were really cheap if purchased via eBay.
To use a DECA I could not have cable TV nor internet/VoIP by Cablecom, this was not an issue as my internet/VoIP is by vDSL. Apart from the bits and pieces I had to purchase to fit the Swiss coax TV sockets, all I had to do is getting new 12V PSU at eBay to feed the DECA adapters and physically disconnect the cable tv branch feeding my apartment. | | | | | Yes, this would have worked for me! I'll keep it in mind in case I move to an other old fashioned place
This video talks about speed - but it explains the basic connection nicely, I think. | 
18.01.2019, 16:19
| | Re: pull a cable from one flat to another? | Quote: | |  | | | May be considered normal by some here, but personally any situation whereby you have to go out of your own flat to do your washing for me is definitely not normal. I have never understood why the Swiss force this loopy system upon themselves, it's hardly practical. | | | | |
It's a question of space, many appartements just don't have the space and i have never understood why the English insisit on having their washing/dryer units in the kitchen.
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18.01.2019, 16:33
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| | Re: pull a cable from one flat to another? | Quote: |  | | | It's a question of space, many appartements just don't have the space and i have never understood why the English insisit on having their washing/dryer units in the kitchen. | | | | | Its about space and money. In the old days they never washed!
Possibly some wash their pots and pans their as well.  The English ( British ) are pretty neurotic in some regards
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| | Re: pull a cable from one flat to another? | Quote: |  | | | It's a question of space, many appartements just don't have the space | | | | | Then clearly they are very poorly designed and they should build them bigger as well. | Quote: |  | | | i have never understood why the English insisit on having their washing/dryer in the kitchen | | | | | Our washing machine and tumble dryer are in the bathroom, not in the kitchen, plus there is a separate utility room with the appropriate connections should one wish to have it as a laundry room as well. But it is within the home, i.e. you don't have to go outside to get to it.
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18.01.2019, 16:59
| | Re: pull a cable from one flat to another? | Quote: | |  | | | Its about space and money. In the old days they never washed!
Possibly some wash their pots and pans their as well. The English ( British ) are pretty neurotic in some regards | | | | |
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18.01.2019, 17:46
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| | Re: pull a cable from one flat to another? | Quote: | |  | | | Then clearly they are very poorly designed and they should build them bigger as well.
Our washing machine and tumble dryer are in the bathroom, not in the kitchen, plus there is a separate utility room with the appropriate connections should one wish to have it as a laundry room as well. But it is within the home, i.e. you don't have to go outside to get to it. | | | | | Communal "in house " laundries are a place to meet your neighbours and practice a bit of broken German on them.
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21.01.2019, 12:22
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| | Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?
Reading the messages shows how selfisch people are getting in this me-and-only-me-society.
Sharing and helping each another is a good thing, like or grandparents did to survive. We are not fcking robots.
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21.01.2019, 12:50
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| | Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?
Funny that I'd justify, but here goes:
The idea came, when our 2 kids asked us for a cable between flats so they could game together.
So we thought, now that we'd need a cable for this purpose anyway, why not include I-net sharing.
Considering practical difficulties it seems off the table for now; but that's a different story.
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