Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > TV/internet/telephone  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 17.01.2019, 21:47
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 26,772
Groaned at 1,672 Times in 1,280 Posts
Thanked 31,068 Times in 14,843 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

Quote:
View Post
The flat to cellar to cellar to flat won't work either as the cellar circuit is usually a "public" one and on no tenants electricity bill
Ours is definitely on individual circuits, and building is from '82.

Tom
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank st2lemans for this useful post:
  #22  
Old 17.01.2019, 21:58
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 9,234
Groaned at 131 Times in 112 Posts
Thanked 9,886 Times in 5,271 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

Quote:
View Post
I would imagine that this sort of sharing is not allowed by the internet provider?
They don't like it but they would need to prove it.

Wingo has it in it's handy rules, mentioning if you use the hotspot for 10 people in a flat-share they will stop you.

Quote:
View Post
Ours is definitely on individual circuits, and building is from '82.

Tom
That's good. Most places - our's is from 1993 and is like that - have these cellars which are one room, one light and devided with wooden latticework.
This solution often also has to do with the cellar being the bunker as well = the divisions would be taken out in case of war.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 18.01.2019, 06:46
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: close to the frontier
Posts: 831
Groaned at 89 Times in 58 Posts
Thanked 397 Times in 254 Posts
Clocker is considered knowledgeableClocker is considered knowledgeableClocker is considered knowledgeable
Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

Quote:
View Post
Ours is definitely on individual circuits, and building is from '82.
Tom
Quote:
View Post
The flat to cellar to cellar to flat won't work either as the cellar circuit is usually a "public" one and on no tenants electricity bill = separate circuits.
Our cellar runs off our electricity and our neighbours cellar runs of theirs. I thought that would be have been a normal situation.
Quote:
View Post
(Unless you have one of these fancy flats where each tenant has their own separate washmachine-room downstairs which would involve drilling holes again = permission of landlord).
That's not fancy, that's complicated. The norm should be each flat/unit has its own self-contained facilities. You don't want to be traipsing downstairs out of your flat into common areas to do washing etc. surely?
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 18.01.2019, 08:05
szhjcn's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,728
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 364 Times in 291 Posts
szhjcn has earned the respect of manyszhjcn has earned the respect of manyszhjcn has earned the respect of many
Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

1/ If you have adjoining walls, I'd go the drill a hole in the wall route. Make a 'blank' socket on either side with a small hole for the cable. Done this many times in rented apartments to route satellite cables and never had any problems. Maybe there is a cupboard or something where this could be done which would be less noticeable.

In the past have made several changes to the sockets and wiring in a rented apartments. One job I did was to remove a surface mounted power socket that a previous tenant had done with surface mounted cable... I managed to hide the cable and installed the socket into the wall. Also run telephone cables to other rooms and installed new sockets...

2/ As mentioned, 'powerline' needs to be on the same circuit so could be an issue, however any single building would have 3 phases coming into the building and most likely all 3 phases are used in each apartment, just don't know if the configuration would block/interfere with the signal as each apartment will have it's own meter.... So you could try this if you can find a 'shared phase'.

3/ You could try running a cable in the same conduit that is used for your telephone cable (might need to take the telephone cable and run it in the conduit along with the Ethernet cable as adding another cable could be difficult with an existing cable in place)). Would have to run down to the cupboard which most likely is in the cellar and back up to the other apartment. It is NOT recommended to run Ethernet cable next to power cables. Not sure what the total length of the cable run would be - 100m is the MAX for Cat 5e without adding hardware... Cat 6 seems also to be limited to 100m, including the patch cables: https://serverfault.com/questions/63...eters-distance
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank szhjcn for this useful post:
  #25  
Old 18.01.2019, 08:11
omtatsat's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Timbuktoo/Zürich
Posts: 8,093
Groaned at 1,527 Times in 827 Posts
Thanked 3,495 Times in 2,229 Posts
omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat
Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

Quote:
View Post
My neighbor agreed to share his internet connection with me, but we want to do that via cable.

We live in a usual block house, in adjacent flats.


Can we get a normal Ethernet cable from his router to my router, pulled through the existing pipes by some professional?



Would that be possible and legal?
If you ever vacate the apartment then you have to pay full costs of repairing the holes in the wall etc. Can be expensive. So better have it done by pro
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 18.01.2019, 08:24
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 26,772
Groaned at 1,672 Times in 1,280 Posts
Thanked 31,068 Times in 14,843 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

Quote:
View Post
That's good. Most places - our's is from 1993 and is like that - have these cellars which are one room, one light and devided with wooden latticework.
Ours is also done like that, but the electricity is separate.

Tom
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 18.01.2019, 08:27
omtatsat's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Timbuktoo/Zürich
Posts: 8,093
Groaned at 1,527 Times in 827 Posts
Thanked 3,495 Times in 2,229 Posts
omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat
Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

Quote:
View Post
My neighbor agreed to share his internet connection with me, but we want to do that via cable.

We live in a usual block house, in adjacent flats.


Can we get a normal Ethernet cable from his router to my router, pulled through the existing pipes by some professional?



Would that be possible and legal?
Simply remove the dividing wallThe price of a sledge hammer
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank omtatsat for this useful post:
  #28  
Old 18.01.2019, 08:30
fatmanfilms's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 17,940
Groaned at 285 Times in 234 Posts
Thanked 15,428 Times in 8,573 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

Quote:
View Post
If you ever vacate the apartment then you have to pay full costs of repairing the holes in the wall etc. Can be expensive. So better have it done by pro
Tiny bit of polyfiller & nobody will know.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank fatmanfilms for this useful post:
  #29  
Old 18.01.2019, 08:34
omtatsat's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Timbuktoo/Zürich
Posts: 8,093
Groaned at 1,527 Times in 827 Posts
Thanked 3,495 Times in 2,229 Posts
omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat
Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

Quote:
View Post
Tiny bit of polyfiller & nobody will know.
Right on there
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 18.01.2019, 10:41
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 9,234
Groaned at 131 Times in 112 Posts
Thanked 9,886 Times in 5,271 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

Quote:
View Post
Our cellar runs off our electricity and our neighbours cellar runs of theirs. I thought that would be have been a normal situation.
Nope, it is not the normal situation here. Yet.
This is still the norm in many places (although the compartements are bigger).
http://holzbau-koch.at/leistungen/3-...eile%20(2).jpg


Quote:
View Post
That's not fancy, that's complicated. The norm should be each flat/unit has its own self-contained facilities. You don't want to be traipsing downstairs out of your flat into common areas to do washing etc. surely?
I've seen it in condos (Eigentumswohnungen). You have your own, lockable room downstairs with washmachine/tumbler but also space to hang up laundry. (I for example don't like tumblers).
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank curley for this useful post:
  #31  
Old 18.01.2019, 11:49
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: close to the frontier
Posts: 831
Groaned at 89 Times in 58 Posts
Thanked 397 Times in 254 Posts
Clocker is considered knowledgeableClocker is considered knowledgeableClocker is considered knowledgeable
Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

Quote:
View Post
Nope, it is not the normal situation here. Yet.
This is still the norm in many places (although the compartements are bigger).
http://holzbau-koch.at/leistungen/3-...eile%20(2).jpg

I've seen it in condos (Eigentumswohnungen). You have your own, lockable room downstairs with washmachine/tumbler but also space to hang up laundry. (I for example don't like tumblers).
May be considered normal by some here, but personally any situation whereby you have to go out of your own flat to do your washing for me is definitely not normal. I have never understood why the Swiss force this loopy system upon themselves, it's hardly practical.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Clocker for this useful post:
This user groans at Clocker for this post:
  #32  
Old 18.01.2019, 15:14
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Orbe
Posts: 33
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 21 Times in 13 Posts
brunobriner has no particular reputation at present
Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

Study the possibility of using the coaxial cable TV and some MoCA adapters.

This is how I send wired internet from the living room to my bedroom. In my case I use DECA that were really cheap if purchased via eBay.

To use a DECA I could not have cable TV nor internet/VoIP by Cablecom, this was not an issue as my internet/VoIP is by vDSL. Apart from the bits and pieces I had to purchase to fit the Swiss coax TV sockets, all I had to do is getting new 12V PSU at eBay to feed the DECA adapters and physically disconnect the cable tv branch feeding my apartment.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank brunobriner for this useful post:
  #33  
Old 18.01.2019, 16:14
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 9,234
Groaned at 131 Times in 112 Posts
Thanked 9,886 Times in 5,271 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

Quote:
View Post
Study the possibility of using the coaxial cable TV and some MoCA adapters.

This is how I send wired internet from the living room to my bedroom. In my case I use DECA that were really cheap if purchased via eBay.

To use a DECA I could not have cable TV nor internet/VoIP by Cablecom, this was not an issue as my internet/VoIP is by vDSL. Apart from the bits and pieces I had to purchase to fit the Swiss coax TV sockets, all I had to do is getting new 12V PSU at eBay to feed the DECA adapters and physically disconnect the cable tv branch feeding my apartment.
Yes, this would have worked for me! I'll keep it in mind in case I move to an other old fashioned place

This video talks about speed - but it explains the basic connection nicely, I think.

Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 18.01.2019, 16:19
Today only's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Europe
Posts: 7,486
Groaned at 817 Times in 555 Posts
Thanked 9,205 Times in 4,361 Posts
Today only has a reputation beyond reputeToday only has a reputation beyond reputeToday only has a reputation beyond reputeToday only has a reputation beyond reputeToday only has a reputation beyond reputeToday only has a reputation beyond repute
Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

Quote:
View Post
May be considered normal by some here, but personally any situation whereby you have to go out of your own flat to do your washing for me is definitely not normal. I have never understood why the Swiss force this loopy system upon themselves, it's hardly practical.



It's a question of space, many appartements just don't have the space and i have never understood why the English insisit on having their washing/dryer units in the kitchen.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank Today only for this useful post:
  #35  
Old 18.01.2019, 16:33
omtatsat's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Timbuktoo/Zürich
Posts: 8,093
Groaned at 1,527 Times in 827 Posts
Thanked 3,495 Times in 2,229 Posts
omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat
Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

Quote:
View Post
It's a question of space, many appartements just don't have the space and i have never understood why the English insisit on having their washing/dryer units in the kitchen.
Its about space and money. In the old days they never washed!
Possibly some wash their pots and pans their as well.The English ( British ) are pretty neurotic in some regards
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank omtatsat for this useful post:
  #36  
Old 18.01.2019, 16:54
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: close to the frontier
Posts: 831
Groaned at 89 Times in 58 Posts
Thanked 397 Times in 254 Posts
Clocker is considered knowledgeableClocker is considered knowledgeableClocker is considered knowledgeable
Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

Quote:
View Post
It's a question of space, many appartements just don't have the space
Then clearly they are very poorly designed and they should build them bigger as well.
Quote:
View Post
i have never understood why the English insisit on having their washing/dryer in the kitchen
Our washing machine and tumble dryer are in the bathroom, not in the kitchen, plus there is a separate utility room with the appropriate connections should one wish to have it as a laundry room as well. But it is within the home, i.e. you don't have to go outside to get to it.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Clocker for this useful post:
The following 2 users groan at Clocker for this post:
  #37  
Old 18.01.2019, 16:59
Today only's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Europe
Posts: 7,486
Groaned at 817 Times in 555 Posts
Thanked 9,205 Times in 4,361 Posts
Today only has a reputation beyond reputeToday only has a reputation beyond reputeToday only has a reputation beyond reputeToday only has a reputation beyond reputeToday only has a reputation beyond reputeToday only has a reputation beyond repute
Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

Quote:
View Post
Its about space and money. In the old days they never washed!
Possibly some wash their pots and pans their as well.The English ( British ) are pretty neurotic in some regards



We're not all ex-convicts....
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Today only for this useful post:
  #38  
Old 18.01.2019, 17:46
omtatsat's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Timbuktoo/Zürich
Posts: 8,093
Groaned at 1,527 Times in 827 Posts
Thanked 3,495 Times in 2,229 Posts
omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat
Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

Quote:
View Post
Then clearly they are very poorly designed and they should build them bigger as well.

Our washing machine and tumble dryer are in the bathroom, not in the kitchen, plus there is a separate utility room with the appropriate connections should one wish to have it as a laundry room as well. But it is within the home, i.e. you don't have to go outside to get to it.
Communal "in house " laundries are a place to meet your neighbours and practice a bit of broken German on them.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank omtatsat for this useful post:
The following 2 users groan at omtatsat for this post:
  #39  
Old 21.01.2019, 12:22
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Zürich
Posts: 553
Groaned at 14 Times in 11 Posts
Thanked 73 Times in 60 Posts
Jonesy is considered unworthyJonesy is considered unworthyJonesy is considered unworthy
Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

Reading the messages shows how selfisch people are getting in this me-and-only-me-society.

Sharing and helping each another is a good thing, like or grandparents did to survive. We are not fcking robots.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Jonesy for this useful post:
This user groans at Jonesy for this post:
  #40  
Old 21.01.2019, 12:50
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Zürich
Posts: 917
Groaned at 3 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 522 Times in 317 Posts
ChrisNeedsToKnow has a reputation beyond reputeChrisNeedsToKnow has a reputation beyond reputeChrisNeedsToKnow has a reputation beyond reputeChrisNeedsToKnow has a reputation beyond repute
Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

Funny that I'd justify, but here goes:


The idea came, when our 2 kids asked us for a cable between flats so they could game together.


So we thought, now that we'd need a cable for this purpose anyway, why not include I-net sharing.


Considering practical difficulties it seems off the table for now; but that's a different story.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank ChrisNeedsToKnow for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Shopping from one Canton to another? CanadianBear Food and drink 25 26.06.2017 16:35
Apartment allocation - can a flat be 'passed on from one person to another'? Mo77 Housing in general 6 05.11.2011 22:03
Tax residence when one moves from one canton to another within a calendar Flower Finance/banking/taxation 8 15.04.2010 17:52
From one tax haven to another! eddieman558 Introductions 4 10.02.2010 13:03
Shifting of Swisscom cable point from one wall to the other... gsach Housing in general 2 01.12.2009 17:57


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 00:08.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0