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pull a cable from one flat to another?

My neighbor agreed to share his internet connection with me, but we want to do that via cable.

We live in a usual block house, in adjacent flats.


Can we get a normal Ethernet cable from his router to my router, pulled through the existing pipes by some professional?



Would that be possible and legal?
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Old 17.01.2019, 12:45
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Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

Drill a hole through a common wall.

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Old 17.01.2019, 13:05
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Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

Wireless Lan ?
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Wireless Lan ?
With a wall in between?, might work depending on the type of wall but with loss of speed and sucks if you want to play coop FPS.
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Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

I've seen this done. You can get a flat ethernet cable so you can close windows on it. https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product...06802&tagIds=7
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My neighbor agreed to share his internet connection with me, but we want to do that via cable.

We live in a usual block house, in adjacent flats.


Can we get a normal Ethernet cable from his router to my router, pulled through the existing pipes by some professional?



Would that be possible and legal?
Legal, yeah sure (unless a landlord forbids it)

Practical.. depends on how the pipes run and how much space is left in them.
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Wireless Lan ?
OP said they want to do that via cable.

Do you have balconies, possibly next to each other? That would make it possible without drilling your wall.
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Drill a hole through a common wall.

Tom
Careful!!

If this wall is a wall that provides protection/security in the event there is a fire, then this would not be "legally" allowed.
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Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

Wasn't planning to drill a hole for multiple reasons.


I was hoping for the guys who install all these new fibre connections. They pull these cables and obvisously know how to.


If I could somehow hire one of those guys for an hour. I guess they'd know if it's possible and legal, and ideally could also just do it.
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Old 17.01.2019, 13:57
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Wasn't planning to drill a hole for multiple reasons.


I was hoping for the guys who install all these new fibre connections. They pull these cables and obvisously know how to.


If I could somehow hire one of those guys for an hour. I guess they'd know if it's possible and legal, and ideally could also just do it.
You can either do that, or use a fast powerline.

Same price in the end, but powerline is much easier.

https://www.toppreise.ch/prod_452138.html

https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanw...owall=&start=1
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Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

Not sure If I'd want to share a Public IP address with anyone...

Anyway, would something like "myStrom 2000 Connection Kit (2000 Mbit/s)" do the trick I wonder?
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Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

Powerline only works within one circuit (or whatever it's called), anyway all outlets behind one and the same counter.


We tried from our flat to theirs, it doesn't work.


From their flat to their basement it does work, but the basement outlet is apparently correctly behind their counter, so this info seems to be correct.


Thanks for the thought though, that was our first try.
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You can either do that, or use a fast powerline.

Same price in the end, but powerline is much easier.

https://www.toppreise.ch/prod_452138.html

https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanw...owall=&start=1
The more stuff is in between the less proper a powerline works, using a power line to go through two entire power cabinets and hope it will work would absolutely not be something I would even consider to be an option.
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Powerline only works within one circuit (or whatever it's called), anyway all outlets behind one and the same counter.


We tried from our flat to theirs, it doesn't work.


From their flat to their basement it does work, but the basement outlet is apparently correctly behind their counter, so this info seems to be correct.


Thanks for the thought though, that was our first try.
That specifc powerline works even in diferent phases, plus is AV2 and MIMO so it even uses the earth connection, together with the neutral, which is shared in electrical terms.
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Old 17.01.2019, 14:27
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Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

I would imagine that this sort of sharing is not allowed by the internet provider? chances of them finding out are low of course but i wouldn't do this anyways, it just stinks of potential issues.

* Neighbour goes on vacation, internet stops working, you can't call the provider.
* Neighbour has questionable internet habits, gets a visit from the cops, blames you.
* Vice versa
* you can potentially sniff each others packets
* You both appear to be coming from the same IP address, could screw up various sites that you both may use.

I dunno, there's probably more
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Powerline only works within one circuit (or whatever it's called), anyway all outlets behind one and the same counter.


We tried from our flat to theirs, it doesn't work.


From their flat to their basement it does work, but the basement outlet is apparently correctly behind their counter, so this info seems to be correct.


Thanks for the thought though, that was our first try.
Hi ChrisNeeds2Know

One thing to try, is 2 powerline circuits ...
Neighbours appt - neighbours keller
neighbours keller - ethernet cable - your keller
Your keller - your appt

Avoids drilling or braking walls, is hidden from normal view, can't be seen from outside, is fixed ethernet rather than WiFi.

Good luck connecting.
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Re: pull a cable from one flat to another?

What a lot of bollocking around to save peanuts on your own connection !
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What a lot of bollocking around to save peanuts on your own connection !
The neighbour moves out and we get the new thread "cheapskate neighbor insist I should share my internet connection with him" in a couple of years.
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Old 17.01.2019, 21:45
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You can either do that, or use a fast powerline.

Same price in the end, but powerline is much easier.

https://www.toppreise.ch/prod_452138.html

https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanw...owall=&start=1
As OP said: Power-line only works within one circuit = within one flat (or you would pay the neighbours electricity bill as well ).

The flat to cellar to cellar to flat won't work either as the cellar circuit is usually a "public" one and on no tenants electricity bill = separate circuits. (Unless you have one of these fancy flats where each tenant has their own separate washmachine-room downstairs which would involve drilling holes again = permission of landlord).

You need the permission of the landlord for this as it has to be registered or it will cause major confusion once both of you have moved on.

It can be done though, one of our tenants here had a cable (I suspect LAN as he has a 3-D printer in the cellar) from a second-floor flat to his hobby room in the cellar (with the permission of the landlord and by a pro).

As I found out yesterday, my telefone-line went from ground-floor flat to downstairs office vie my bedroom and the ceiling of two hobby-rooms of two different people We now replaced it with a LAN cable.

So talk to the landlord, if it's a huge company you are probably out of luck. In that case the flat-cable-solution that was proposed is the easiest.

PS: I got a private landlord so our possibilities are much better, so far I had every unconventional idea realized.
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I would imagine that this sort of sharing is not allowed by the internet provider?
Why not?

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