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Old 11.03.2019, 07:11
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Sunrise takes over UPC

Many jobs will be lost

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Old 19.03.2019, 08:58
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Re: Sunrise takes over UPC

But what about quality? They sent out a letter saying the service will be faster. I'm not sure about others' experiences, but UPC was quite patchy during the night. I wonder if I should switch to Swisscom.
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Old 19.03.2019, 10:46
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Re: Sunrise takes over UPC

I like Sunrise, I don't like UPC.

Thus, my feelings are mixed, but I'd rather have it this way than UPC taking over Sunrise.

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Re: Sunrise takes over UPC

that^s because i finished my contract last week.
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Old 21.05.2019, 10:51
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Re: Sunrise takes over UPC

I am counting the days to exit SALT and am hesitating; UPC was running on Swisscom so far, if the acquisition is approved, they may switch to Sunrise...

Question then is - would this be grounds for early termination?
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Old 21.05.2019, 11:15
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I like Sunrise, I don't like UPC.

Thus, my feelings are mixed, but I'd rather have it this way than UPC taking over Sunrise.

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I have the opposite feeling.

We had a terrible experience with Sunrise and have been incredibly happy with UPC.
I hope it doesn’t all go to pot when Sunrise takes over.
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Question then is - would this be grounds for early termination?
A take-over or a network change are no legal grounds for an early termination.
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Re: Sunrise takes over UPC

Very happy with UPC too. We have the Internet 200lite package and the unlimited swiss mobile with 10gb roaming package. Quite cheap for Switzerland. It does sometimes go a bit patchy at the boarder but resolves itself quickly. I cant really criticise the service. Only thing that "annoys" me is that whenever i call them, it takes ages to find an English speaking advisor, eventhough the service, website,bills etc are all advertised to be in english. 1st world problem! no biggie!
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I am counting the days to exit SALT and am hesitating; UPC was running on Swisscom so far, if the acquisition is approved, they may switch to Sunrise...

Question then is - would this be grounds for early termination?

Switch to Yallo without minimal contract duration and you won't have a problem on that side
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Re: Sunrise takes over UPC

https://www.nzz.ch/wirtschaft/weko-g...gen-ld.1511426


The Competition Commission or Weko has no objection to the acquisition of UPC Switzerland by Sunrise. Surely many jobs will be lost
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Re: Sunrise takes over UPC

it seams the deal is dead!!

more details here: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/telecom...alone/45318670

Good news or bad news, any thoughts?
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Old 24.10.2019, 17:56
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it seams the deal is dead!!

more details here: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/telecom...alone/45318670

Good news or bad news, any thoughts?
Yep, the deal is dead. My banker told me yesterday.

Thoughts? I can only have thoughts re Switzerland and think for Sunrise that would have been some step forward as ..... is there even a house in this country that is not already linked up to upc?

Personally I'm not a fan of monster companies and dwindling variety.
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Re: Sunrise takes over UPC

My UPC internet connection has been very bad for the last few months and pretty expensive for what I get, I think I'll cancel the service. I wonder if Swisscom provides a better quality internet. Or Sunrise...
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Re: Sunrise takes over UPC

They seem to be desperate to get new customers - they are now offer plans at 50% discount for 12 or 24 months


I was looking to upgrade but it seems as an existing customer I'm nowhere near getting the same deals. Time to shift provider I guess...


Is it possible to get cable supplied by another provider than UPC (outside Lausanne)?
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Old 25.10.2019, 14:30
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They seem to be desperate to get new customers - they are now offer plans at 50% discount for 12 or 24 months


I was looking to upgrade but it seems as an existing customer I'm nowhere near getting the same deals. Time to shift provider I guess...


Is it possible to get cable supplied by another provider than UPC (outside Lausanne)?
Their behaviour is a bit strange. They don't bother much about customers leaving. My landlord also mentioned "They didn't seem to care about me leaving, they only said the gear must be sent back by post" (while picking it up was alsways possible at partnershops
When I cancelled (officially, correctly, by registered mail) they sent me a letter, titled "your wish to terminate contract", then loads of questions like "can we help you/support you ....", it looked like a letter from an overbearing social worker, worried about their client taking the wrong turns in life
The only intelligent question in there was "do you want to keep your phone-no.", then again I would have mentioned that, had I wanted to.

On the other hand they only offer good/better conditions to new clients. That is a crap attitude (I know it's becoming the norm) and I believe counterproductive in the long run.

Apart from the horrendous price (we had no choice but cablecom, even the telephone lines here are too old to deliver proper ADSL. Now we received fibre and I guess the entire hamlet left cablecom like rats leaving the ship. LOL. Not to mention I get 10 times the speed for half the price now).

However, apart from the price the only problem I ever had was the modems dying punctually ever few years. When calling I always ended up in Berlin where they employ fun guys so the problem delivered some entertainment.
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They seem to be desperate to get new customers - they are now offer plans at 50% discount for 12 or 24 months


I was looking to upgrade but it seems as an existing customer I'm nowhere near getting the same deals. Time to shift provider I guess...


Is it possible to get cable supplied by another provider than UPC (outside Lausanne)?
This also happened to me. I called up to complain about the price and say I was looking at switching to Salt Fiber and the words had barely left my mouth before they offered me 50% discount for a year. Sticking with them for the time being but will look to switch again once the offer is up. Hopefully Salt Fiber will have actually reached my home area by then!
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Old 25.10.2019, 16:46
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This also happened to me. I called up to complain about the price and say I was looking at switching to Salt Fiber and the words had barely left my mouth before they offered me 50% discount for a year. Sticking with them for the time being but will look to switch again once the offer is up. Hopefully Salt Fiber will have actually reached my home area by then!

love it.

Actually that's true. They went up in price for tv once. As I never watched TV I cancelled the TV part. They called me, then made some complicated thing putting the costs of internet down so I would end up on the same old price for internet and tv. It was the strangest thing
So in the end my price for internet+tv stayed the same, just the proportions were different ............... and I still didn't watch tv.
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This also happened to me. I called up to complain about the price and say I was looking at switching to Salt Fiber and the words had barely left my mouth before they offered me 50% discount for a year. Sticking with them for the time being but will look to switch again once the offer is up. Hopefully Salt Fiber will have actually reached my home area by then!

Not that much luck here... tried to get onto a new deal - no offer made. Got a call back from customer support, tried to complain, still the cold shoulder. I shall be switching ASAP fiber gets to the building...
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Old 28.11.2019, 19:22
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LOL. Not to mention I get 10 times the speed for half the price now).
So you got 10 Gbit/s network gear deployed at home? How much of those 10 gibt/s actually arrive at your PCs etc? Don't have to ask about mobile clients, of course, as WiFi can only deliver a tiny fraction of that.

I'm just wondering as I'm currently on a UPC 1 Gbit/s line for 99 bucks a month. I get a consistent 920 mbit/s to my computer and other gigabit-ready devices in my house. Just wondering whether an upgrade to a 10 gbit/s line would do me any good. I'd say: nope, not without replacing all ethernet wiring in the entire house and even then my NAS can't handle more than 1 Gbit/s and there's pretty much not a single real-life use scenario I can see right now that would get even close to the max speed of a 10 gbit/s fiber line.

I know, the old argument about UPC and shared medium etc. - we get UPC fiber to about 20m from my house and share the last few meters of copper with exactly one neighbour - who also has a gigabit uplink through UPC - and the copper can easily handle 2x 1gibt without any significant loss of speed.

Of course, if we talk shared medium: Swisscom's fiber offerings also are a shared medium at this point - the only dedicated line you get is from the distribution box to your basement. In cities, Swisscom isn't capable of matching UPCs speeds if more than 10 households are hooked up to the same fiber distributor. UPC uses a lot more distributor boxes and the Docsis 3.1 standard will be able to deliver 10 Gbit as well by mid 2020.

So honestly - I don't see the advantage here. Prices might differ from provider to provider but the max speeds are the same everywhere, fiber or coax. The only area where fiber has a clear advantage is upspeed, which is pretty much irrelevant to 99.9% of all private customers.

Considering that you're getting a theoretical maximum of 10 gibt/s (unless some of your neighbours also subscribe) through Salt: I wouldn't expect this offer to last much longer. First of all, there's absolutely no way that Salt can offer this profitably at this price. And overall, Salt is going the way of the Dodo as it seems - no 5G planned, same old slow mobile network and only around 10'000 customers in Switzerland can theoretically use their fiber offering?
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So you got 10 Gbit/s network gear deployed at home? How much of those 10 gibt/s actually arrive at your PCs etc? Don't have to ask about mobile clients, of course, as WiFi can only deliver a tiny fraction of that.

I'm just wondering as I'm currently on a UPC 1 Gbit/s line for 99 bucks a month. I get a consistent 920 mbit/s to my computer and other gigabit-ready devices in my house. Just wondering whether an upgrade to a 10 gbit/s line would do me any good. I'd say: nope, not without replacing all ethernet wiring in the entire house and even then my NAS can't handle more than 1 Gbit/s and there's pretty much not a single real-life use scenario I can see right now that would get even close to the max speed of a 10 gbit/s fiber line.

I know, the old argument about UPC and shared medium etc. - we get UPC fiber to about 20m from my house and share the last few meters of copper with exactly one neighbour - who also has a gigabit uplink through UPC - and the copper can easily handle 2x 1gibt without any significant loss of speed.

Of course, if we talk shared medium: Swisscom's fiber offerings also are a shared medium at this point - the only dedicated line you get is from the distribution box to your basement. In cities, Swisscom isn't capable of matching UPCs speeds if more than 10 households are hooked up to the same fiber distributor. UPC uses a lot more distributor boxes and the Docsis 3.1 standard will be able to deliver 10 Gbit as well by mid 2020.

So honestly - I don't see the advantage here. Prices might differ from provider to provider but the max speeds are the same everywhere, fiber or coax. The only area where fiber has a clear advantage is upspeed, which is pretty much irrelevant to 99.9% of all private customers.

Considering that you're getting a theoretical maximum of 10 gibt/s (unless some of your neighbours also subscribe) through Salt: I wouldn't expect this offer to last much longer. First of all, there's absolutely no way that Salt can offer this profitably at this price. And overall, Salt is going the way of the Dodo as it seems - no 5G planned, same old slow mobile network and only around 10'000 customers in Switzerland can theoretically use their fiber offering?
I wrote: I get 10 times the speed for half the price now.
You don't know what speed I was on before.

I hope it's okay I didn't read the long incongruous reply to an inattentively read post.
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