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For video editing a laptop will always be sub-optimal( probably also for photo editing). You want as much screen real-estate as you can. I use two 24" monitors. You also need rather a lot of disk space, which mitigates against a laptop. I use a mixture of SDDs and HDDs.
Her husband is clearly not a professional video editer, he is an enthiastic amateur dabbler who will likely use the laptop for video editing and also a ton of other stuff. So, my logic is that having a portable machine that is powerful enough to do everything he wants to do makes sense so that he has the flexibility to either keep it on a desk hooked up to a monitor, put it on his lap in the living room while 3Wishes watches a TV show, or take it around travelling with him wherever he goes.

I would respectfully warn against the temptation of inflating the hardware requirements unnecessarily, as even a modern i7 quad core low power 15w CPU like the i7 8550u, when paired with 16GB of RAM, will do a reasonable job of what her husband needs at a pretty economical price.
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Re: Please suggest a photo and video editing software

Windows is OK, if somebody else can fix it (if you don't want to become a Windows-admin yourself).


macOS is OK, if you don't want any of the Windows-annoyances without somebody keeping the thing working.
And you have to be OK with the way things work in macOS. Because it's either the macOS-way or the highway.
The hardware comes at a price, but if you live near an actual Apple Store or an authorized reseller/service provider that can be very helpful.
This is why you see lots of old people in the Store in Bahnhofstrasse (oh, crap, they moved to Rennweg...).
OTOH, for Dell, Lenovo, HP you can get Next Business Day on-site replacements. But they won't teach you about video-editing:


https://www.apple.com/chde/today/cal...&showHero=true




If all your software and your hardware works with Linux, you can try that, too.
If it does what you want, it will do that very, very well and with the utmost stability (provided you use stable hardware).


So, it's all some soft of trade-off. Depending on what you value, the outcome may be different.
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Old 25.09.2019, 23:05
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Her husband is clearly not a professional video editer, he is an enthiastic amateur dabbler who will likely use the laptop for video editing and also a ton of other stuff. So, my logic is that having a portable machine that is powerful enough to do everything he wants to do makes sense so that he has the flexibility to either keep it on a desk hooked up to a monitor, put it on his lap in the living room while 3Wishes watches a TV show, or take it around travelling with him wherever he goes.
Pretty much nailed it. When I started this thread, I thought a software for 200 Francs was something that might work to fix the issue. As the thread has progressed, it has become clear that a) I'm in over my head and b) software alone (free or not) isn't going to do the job.

Can I turn it around a bit? What do you suppose would be a realistic budget for a new laptop that would fit the bill for such a hobbyist? No larger than 15.6". Obviously if we're talking whole new system, this is not something I should do on my own, nor can my measly salary spring for it. Mr Wishes can buy it himself and maybe I'll get him a nice software.

Is it worthwhile to look into a custom build? Is there a place like TigerDirect here in CH?

Thanks to everyone for your patience with my ignorance. I have a 5-year old laptop and I only use it for chatting and watching cat videos, so this is out of my league.
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Re: Please suggest a photo and video editing software

Well, Digitec currently offer a Lenovo ThinkPad E590 (15.60", Full HD, Intel Core i7-8565U, 16GB, 256GB, SSD) ex-showroom for CHF 1199.

You can play around with their filters to fine tune a selection. I'm sure other online shops can do the same.

I wouldn't go for a custom build - it'll just add expense unnecessarily. Apart from that, you're more likely to have a trouble free windows experience with a mass-produced laptop. We've got four laptops in our family - 3 HPs and one Surface Pro, and have never had any issues with updates.

As for screen size - the bigger the better, but... you can always add an external monitor (or two or more!) at a later stage, and perhaps a docking station. If you haven't got a backup solution, then I'd suggest investing in an external HDD, that is used for that purpose only. (CHF 79 for a 2TB WD Elements drive).

I think PowerDirector will be your best choice for software. For your own needs, have you considered a chromebook? Cheaper than a laptop and probably fulfils all your needs. My wife's been using one for years.
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Pretty much nailed it. When I started this thread, I thought a software for 200 Francs was something that might work to fix the issue. As the thread has progressed, it has become clear that a) I'm in over my head and b) software alone (free or not) isn't going to do the job.

Can I turn it around a bit? What do you suppose would be a realistic budget for a new laptop that would fit the bill for such a hobbyist? No larger than 15.6". Obviously if we're talking whole new system, this is not something I should do on my own, nor can my measly salary spring for it. Mr Wishes can buy it himself and maybe I'll get him a nice software.

Is it worthwhile to look into a custom build? Is there a place like TigerDirect here in CH?

Thanks to everyone for your patience with my ignorance. I have a 5-year old laptop and I only use it for chatting and watching cat videos, so this is out of my league.
No custom builds needed, you just need to buy a laptop with the right hardware and a decent warranty. Keep it as stress free as possible and bear in mind that it is worth getting something good to last the next 5 years (including warranty) than completely cheaping out and then being left dissatisfied in future when video quality increases.

For example:

Budget option: (799chf)

HP have a "renew program" (basically refurbishment" where you can get reaosnable laptops for a cheap price. For example this HP Pavilion 15.6" with i7 CPU, 16GB of RAM, a 1080p screen and a good SSD backed up by a 2 year warranty https://www.it-tempel.ch/HP-Pavilion...re-HP-Garantie

That would fit the minimum requirements and come in at a very good budget.

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Good value: (1200chf)

1200CHF gets you the HP Probook 450 G6, a tough laptop with a decent i7 quad core processor, a decent 1080p screen, 16GB RAM and a fast SSD with decent storage capacity. https://www.microspot.ch/de/computer...&gclsrc=aw.ds:

Review here https://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-Pro....414644.0.html

This is a good all-round laptop for the money and it is known for being durable. It basically has all of the requirements to suit him for a while without the extra bells and whistles.

High-end: (1900chf)

Dell.ch currently has a deal where you can get a top-of-the-line Dell XPS 15" with an extremely powerful CPU, 16GB of RAM, a dedicated graphics card and a beautiful 4k screen with excellent colour reproduction worth CHF 2'149.00 for CHF 1'892 using the code SAVE12 at checkout https://www.dell.com/de-ch/shop/note...laptop/cn79007

Review here https://www.windowscentral.com/dell-xps-15-7590-review

If he invests in that then he is basically sorted for a good while as it has a lot of 'future-proof' (as far as is realistic) features that will keep it relevant for a long time. At this price it is actually good value (over a few years) and is extremely high build quality and materials.

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That gives you an indication of the kind of price ranges you can look at.

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High-end: (1900chf)

Dell.ch currently has a deal where you can get a top-of-the-line Dell XPS 15" with an extremely powerful CPU, 16GB of RAM, a dedicated graphics card and a beautiful 4k screen with excellent colour reproduction worth CHF 2'149.00 for CHF 1'892 using the code SAVE12 at checkout https://www.dell.com/de-ch/shop/note...laptop/cn79007

Review here https://www.windowscentral.com/dell-xps-15-7590-review

If he invests in that then he is basically sorted for a good while as it has a lot of 'future-proof' (as far as is realistic) features that will keep it relevant for a long time. At this price it is actually good value (over a few years) and is extremely high build quality and materials.

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That gives you an indication of the kind of price ranges you can look at.
I run Cyberlink on a 2016 Dell XPS 15 like the one above and it still does just fine. I am toying with an eGPU right now, but that is more for gaming needs.
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Re: Please suggest a photo and video editing software

While searching for an old post, I realized I never updated this thread. Sorry about that, and thanks to everyone for the suggestions.

In the end, I didn't purchase any software. I shared the suggestions here with Mr Wishes and he decided to give DaVinci Resolve (free version) a try. He says it's pretty powerful and the learning curve is steep, but it does everything he needs and more. The only downside seems to be that the menus and file names are in a really small font when you're importing, at least as viewed on a 15.6" monitor.

He bought a new HP with the specs Chuff posted above for a refurb, and around that price. So far he's very happy with the setup.

Thanks again to the EF experts! Happy husband = happy wife
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While searching for an old post, I realized I never updated this thread. Sorry about that, and thanks to everyone for the suggestions.

In the end, I didn't purchase any software. I shared the suggestions here with Mr Wishes and he decided to give DaVinci Resolve (free version) a try. He says it's pretty powerful and the learning curve is steep, but it does everything he needs and more. The only downside seems to be that the menus and file names are in a really small font when you're importing, at least as viewed on a 15.6" monitor.

He bought a new HP with the specs Chuff posted above for a refurb, and around that price. So far he's very happy with the setup.

Thanks again to the EF experts! Happy husband = happy wife
DaVinci Resolve is probably the most popular professional choice today too. The full version is shipped with all Black Magic cameras, their 12k camera is amazing value for money.
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While searching for an old post, I realized I never updated this thread. Sorry about that, and thanks to everyone for the suggestions.

In the end, I didn't purchase any software. I shared the suggestions here with Mr Wishes and he decided to give DaVinci Resolve (free version) a try. He says it's pretty powerful and the learning curve is steep, but it does everything he needs and more. The only downside seems to be that the menus and file names are in a really small font when you're importing, at least as viewed on a 15.6" monitor.

He bought a new HP with the specs Chuff posted above for a refurb, and around that price. So far he's very happy with the setup.

Thanks again to the EF experts! Happy husband = happy wife
Well, that's funny!
I saw this thread and wanted to recommend DaVinci Resolve
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DaVinci Resolve is probably the most popular professional choice today too. The full version is shipped with all Black Magic cameras, their 12k camera is amazing value for money.
I installed it last night.

I was particularly taken with the option of dual time lines. That's going to speed up my editing.
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Re: Please suggest a photo and video editing software

On the same subject - I installed Stop Motion Studio on my son's android phone a couple of days ago as a stop gap as I didn't have time to explain how to use a PC/Laptop video editing software suite properly.

I thought he could learn the principles of editing on that first so it would be easier to explain how to edit video with more complex software.

Anyway, it's incredibly intuitive and considering it's running on a low-end Android phone - only purchased so he could contact us if he missed the bus, it's pretty good with some great features for making little stop-motion videos.
He was up and running after a five minute explanation. You need the 5CHF full version to do anything.

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Re: Please suggest a photo and video editing software

Hi, I use Free Open Source Kdenlive video editing software on an Ubuntu operating system with great success for the past 4 years. I tried the Windows version of this software on my Windows 10 Home system and due to frequent crashing the results were not good. This may be due to my older 4 year old notebook but a recent review had the same experience so maybe the Windows version is just not ready.

I used Ubuntu to recycle an old desktop and an old notebook with great success. They are great for all basic functions and have a wide range of software options. I keep these to use the free Kdenlive video editing software and also an image editor. If you have a spare PC or notebook that is a few years old you might consider this option. It is really very good for basic video editing.
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Resolve version 17 is available (in beta?) looks promising!
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