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New tv from Fust with completely wrong specs

I've been looking at getting a new tv for a while now and last weekend I decided to go for it. I bought the Samsung UE43RU7170 from Fust and spent the weekend setting it up.

A key feature for me was the refresh rate being significantly higher than my old TV. However, today I was disposing of the box and I noticed it had a completely different value. My german isn't great but the specs sheet says Bildwiederholungsfrequenz 60Hz, and on the Fust website it's 1400 Hz.

Clearly someone has made a mistake when entering the data on the Fust site. I know that obviously 1400 isn't a realistic refresh rate, but I'm still quite frustrated as this definitely influenced the purchase. Is it worth going into the store to complain or a waste of time?
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Re: New tv from Fust with completely wrong specs

1400 is the "Picture Quality Index".

in German, just use Google Translate if you don't understand:

https://www.entain.de/wiki/samsung-p...-pqi-a433.html

Denn für die Berechnung des PQI werden ähnliche Bildverbesserungsmechanismen verwendet und mit der Hertz-Zahl des Bildschirms multipliziert. Jedoch ist der PQI einheitslos und wird nicht wie die CMR mit Hertz (Hz) angegeben.


So it seems that PQI is the closest thing to a "traditional" Hertz rating that is pretty much the replacement for it, at least for Samsung TV's, so Fust must have mixed it up.

60Hz is "fine enough" with today's smart TVs capability to improve the picture quality imho.

https://www.entain.de/wiki/fernseher...ed-tv-a30.html

In short: You like the TV and the quality of the screen, keep it. You don't like it? Return it (Fust is pretty generous on returns even when nothing is wrong)
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Re: New tv from Fust with completely wrong specs

Ordinarily I’d agree, but I was really purchasing it to watch live sport and maybe some games. The plan for this weekend was to put it through its paces.

I guess I’ll return it tomorrow.
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Re: New tv from Fust with completely wrong specs

Tomorrow is Sunday😁 keep it. Makes no difference anyhow
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Re: New tv from Fust with completely wrong specs

Why don't you just try it and see, maybe you will like it
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Re: New tv from Fust with completely wrong specs

Yes, the website is wrong.

But the max for a TV is 120Hz in any case (monitors can go higher, but not TVs, and certainly not CHEAP TVs), so you should have realised the obvious error!

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Re: New tv from Fust with completely wrong specs

If you believed the 1400 could be real, than you might want to read up first about opera effect, motion blur and such before you decide what system you please. 120Hz is no guarantee for a better perception, it all depends what method is used to make your brain stop predicting the next frame, you could make it worse by choosing the wrong system, or perhaps you are not sensitive at all for such and it simply does not not matter since you'll notice no difference. There are many different methods to crank up the rate and it is personal which one is best.
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Ordinarily I’d agree, but I was really purchasing it to watch live sport and maybe some games. The plan for this weekend was to put it through its paces.

I guess I’ll return it tomorrow.
Well the fastest the pictures being broadcast would be is either 50p or 60p if your lucky.

Make sure you turn off any processing crap if you are watching a film or it will look like a soap opera.
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Well the fastest the pictures being broadcast would be is either 50p or 60p if your lucky.
25 and 29.97, actually.

24 for film.

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25 and 29.97, actually.

24 for film.

Tom
Sport is often 720p @ 50 /60

Film is delivered at 25 fps 4% too fast in 50Hz countries, otherwise pans jerk as 24 does not divide into 25 but can have additional fields added every second frame to make 30 the US default rate.

NTSC rate was indeed 29.97 for CTR displays, it's legacy & ignored by many such as Netflix & Amazon as its irrelevant in HD & Above.

I just checked Netflix specs & the do accept 23.98 fps
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Re: New tv from Fust with completely wrong specs

Avoid Fust like a plague. From personal experiences the only thing you don’t get from Fust is value for money.
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NTSC rate was indeed 29.97 for CTR displays, it's legacy & ignored by many such as Netflix & Amazon as its irrelevant in HD & Above.
29.97 had nothing to do with the display type, but rather analog program delivery, as it was compatible with 30Hz B&W transmission and reception.

29.97 is 30 with one frame dropped every 1000 frames to fit the color burst into the data stream, not needed with digital program delivery.

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