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Guardian rank Home Computers - OUTRAGE! RANT!

The left wing RAG, the Guardian, has outdone itself this time and I am tempted to write a formal letter.

Not content with supporting Jeremy Corbyn, Striking Miners, Extinction Rebellion and any other flag waving loonies, they have now outdone themselves in a far more offensive way: they have ranked Home Computers in a top 20 (https://www.theguardian.com/games/20...mputers-ranked) and to be honest, it's sickening:

- The ZX81 is 17th. Its ranked lower than a VIC 20!!
- The Spectrum is not top, its surpassed by a C64, an Amiga and - hold firmly onto the side of your desk - the IBM PC!
- The Atari ST is LOWER than the Amstrad CPC 464. Thats right, you did hear it correctly: LOWER.

I could go on and on here, its so offensive it should be in the Adult section, assuming the Guardian has one.

If your rating on technical acheivement, perhaps its somewhere near (roughly, giving it a lot of room) correct, but in terms of an impact on home computing its an insult.

Home computing impact correct order:

1. Speccy 48k
2. C64
3. ZX81
4. Amiga
5. Atari ST
6. VIC 20
7. BBC Model B
8 The Dragon whatever-it-was
9 Sinclair C5

there isnt anything below that. the rest of them are just a grey area of early days business models and failed experitments.
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Re: Guardian rank Home Computers - OUTRAGE! RANT!

I don't know if it's a sad fact that I own, boxed, your top 3 plus another in your top 9.

Plus an Atari 2600 and this:
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I don't know if it's a sad fact that I own, boxed, your top 3 plus another in your top 9.

Plus an Atari 2600 and this:
its so beautiful. im welling up.
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Old 07.09.2020, 14:29
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Re: Guardian rank Home Computers - OUTRAGE! RANT!

it runs on batteries too, if you're desperate for a fix
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The left wing RAG, the Guardian, has outdone itself this time and I am tempted to write a formal letter.
Well, yes, I can imagine their inbox (aahh.. more like the C:\) will be full.

At least they put the ZX-48k at number 4 - I would debate first and second place between this and the IBM PC. That's cause I've never had any of the other ones Even then, considering how much of a mess the IBM PC has become, how can anyone place it first place is beyond me
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Re: Guardian rank Home Computers - OUTRAGE! RANT!

What? What about ISBN 978-0070109629 the home soldered Z80?
How can that be omitted? It was my very first computing experience. Dad and his beloved Eurocard rack computer.
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Re: Guardian rank Home Computers - OUTRAGE! RANT!

My Atari 800 is 7th.

Those good old times when you wanted to play the Goonies, loaded from a cassette for 40 minutes, got an error and did it again😀
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Old 07.09.2020, 14:52
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Re: Guardian rank Home Computers - OUTRAGE! RANT!

IBM PC is #1, and correctly so!

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Old 07.09.2020, 14:56
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Re: Guardian rank Home Computers - OUTRAGE! RANT!

And where is the very first „home computer“, the Sinclair ZX80. £99 for no screen, no memory, 1K ram and hardly a keyboard.

Wish I‘d kept mine now...
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And where is the very first „home computer“, the Sinclair ZX80. £99 for no screen, no memory, 1K ram and hardly a keyboard.

Wish I‘d kept mine now...
Indeed where is the commodore Pet I should add which had a whopping 4K but was great to program.
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Re: Guardian rank Home Computers - OUTRAGE! RANT!

Never seen ones of those live First computer was a late 1980s i386

But, what happened to Apple? How it's possible that in the early 80s you could play games on that thing and today Apple and Gaming and like oil and water? Anyone knows the story?
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How it's possible that in the early 80s you could play games on that thing [Apple] and today Apple and Gaming and like oil and water? Anyone knows the story?
It is more a question why the PC became the gaming beast it s today. The answer is Microsoft DirectX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX
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IBM PC is #1, and correctly so! p
But the IBM was not really a home micro as such - aimed originally at the business market.

The list also left out the Memotech computers - of which I had a MTX 512. Made by a British company - who sadly had the rug pulled from under them by the Soviet Union.
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Re: Guardian rank Home Computers - OUTRAGE! RANT!

"And where is the very first „home computer“, the Sinclair ZX80. £99 for no screen, no memory, 1K ram and hardly a keyboard.

Wish I‘d kept mine now..."

OH has still got his in the original polystyrene packaging, also the little printer with the silvery coloured heat paper and some cassette tapes. I don't like the rubbery feel of the keyboard, it's a bit icky!
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It is more a question why the PC became the gaming beast it s today. The answer is Microsoft DirectX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX
I remember a simple decision from the mid 1990s. Actually, my elder brother's decision. Doom (id software and running on DOS, no directX) available on PC today or wait until Doom is released for Mac? For some reason there was a months/years delay for the same game to be released for Mac. Maybe it was one of the monopolistic practices of Microsoft or Apple put zero interest in porting games to their operating system?
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Rubbery keys would suggest a Speccy
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Re: Guardian rank Home Computers - OUTRAGE! RANT!

After reading the title I tought this thread is about a poor guy who has just bought a 2080Ti for CHF 1200
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If you like retro computers, this is fun to attend:

https://vcfe.ch/doku.php
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Re: Guardian rank Home Computers - OUTRAGE! RANT!

My first computer was a 16k Ohio Scientific thar I built from a kit. Radio Shack cassette player was my data storage.
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Re: Guardian rank Home Computers - OUTRAGE! RANT!

As a Dutchie I was flabbergasted that the iconic P2000T was not in the list. Plus my Sinclair QL is also missing ?

Back in high school I was ZX Spectrum all the way...
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